Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

[Albrenia]

Selective breeding is physical evidence of the genetic process that underlies evolution.

What is selective breeding?

Let's say you want a smaller breed of cat. You take one small cat, and breed it with another small cat.

The new litter of cats will tend towards being small. If you take the smallest of those, and breed it with another cat which is the smallest of another small cat litter, the process will continue.

Give it enough time, you'll have cats far smaller than was originally possible for that species of cat.

Like with the difference between Grand Danes and little Micro-Poodles.

[Kernen]

Selective breeding is the process by which humans use biological reproduction selectively develop particular phenotypic traits by choosing which creatures will sexually reproduce and have offspring together.

What an excellent argument you have against deliberately not learning science!

You can learn science, just religious schools should have the option not to teach evolution.

Leaving you without an understanding of basic tools humanity uses in society. Very clever, bud. Very clever.

[Estanglia]

Selective breeding is the process by which humans use biological reproduction selectively develop particular phenotypic traits by choosing which creatures will sexually reproduce and have offspring together.

What an excellent argument you have against deliberately not learning science!

You can learn science, just religious schools should have the option not to teach evolution.

They should be mandated to teach the truth, or shut down for failing to give a proper education.

[La Xinga]

What is selective breeding?

Let's say you want a smaller breed of cat. You take one small cat, and breed it with another small cat.

The new litter of cats will tend towards being small. If you take the smallest of those, and breed it with another cat which is the smallest of another small cat litter, the process will continue.

Give it enough time, you'll have cats far smaller than was originally possible for that species of cat.

Like with the difference between Grand Danes and little Micro-Poodles.

*Doesn't know what Grand Danes or Micro-Poodles are*

Anyone can easily say G-d did that, so yeah. Considering the fact that this isn't the thread topic, I still think that religious schools should teach science, the parts of it that don't go against their beliefs.

[La Xinga]

You can learn science, just religious schools should have the option not to teach evolution.

They should be mandated to teach the truth, or shut down for failing to give a proper education.

If the truth to them is their religion, then they should have the right to teach it.

[Necroghastia]

Ah yes, the pleasures of an unexamined life. I wish I could be so devoted to ignorance, it would make my life incredibly easy and secure.

Well, it is a good think I'm not ignorant!

You have done nothing in this thread but advocate that religious people should ignore anything and everything outside of their religion.

[La Xinga]

Well, it is a good think I'm not ignorant!

You have done nothing in this thread but advocate that religious people should ignore anything and everything outside of their religion.

I did not say that, you are REALLY twisting my words.

[Necroghastia]

They should be mandated to teach the truth, or shut down for failing to give a proper education.

If the truth to them is their religion, then they should have the right to teach it.

When they have evidence to back up that it is indeed the truth, sure.

[Albrenia]

This argument is testing my Secularist beliefs. I should probably stop before I start believing that religion should be outright banned in schools.

I'm hoping this level of wilful ignorance is not the norm among believers though.

[Estanglia]

They should be mandated to teach the truth, or shut down for failing to give a proper education.

If the truth to them is their religion, then they should have the right to teach it.

I don't care what's the truth to them. I care what's the truth.

The best (and in effect the truest) explanation for species as they currently are is evolution. Anything else is either outdated (and does not belong in the classroom) or unfounded assumptions (which do not belong in science). If they teach anything other than evolution as the explanation for how species as they currently are came about, they are doing their students a disservice and deserve to be closed down.

Religion is not an excuse for ignorance.

[La Xinga]

If the truth to them is their religion, then they should have the right to teach it.

When they have evidence to back up that it is indeed the truth, sure.

People have evidence, just you choose not to believe in it. I see you are against religious freedom, my dear.

This argument is testing my Secularist beliefs. I should probably stop before I start believing that religion should be outright banned in schools.

I'm hoping this level of wilful ignorance is not the norm among believers though.

LOL, everyone I know shares this, after all, non-ignorance is best, which is what I'm doing now.

[Albrenia]

You have done nothing in this thread but advocate that religious people should ignore anything and everything outside of their religion.

I did not say that, you are REALLY twisting my words.

Actually, not twisting your words at all.

[Eudea]

When they have evidence to back up that it is indeed the truth, sure.

People have evidence, just you choose not to believe in it. I see you are against religious freedom, my dear.

This argument is testing my Secularist beliefs. I should probably stop before I start believing that religion should be outright banned in schools.

I'm hoping this level of wilful ignorance is not the norm among believers though.

LOL, everyone I know shares this, after all, non-ignorance is best, which is what I'm doing now.

Faith is believing in something despite a lack of evidence. Which is what religion is. Thou’rt the one choosing to ignore common evidence here.

[La Xinga]

If the truth to them is their religion, then they should have the right to teach it.

I don't care what's the truth to them. I care what's the truth.

The best (and in effect the truest) explanation for species as they currently are is evolution. Anything else is either outdated (and does not belong in the classroom) or unfounded assumptions (which do not belong in science). If they teach anything other than evolution as the explanation for how species as they currently are came about, they are doing their students a disservice and deserve to be closed down.

Religion is not an excuse for ignorance.

Evolution is not an excuse for ignorance either.

I also care what's the truth, and that is exactly why religious schools should continue teaching their anti-evolution studies.

[Estanglia]

When they have evidence to back up that it is indeed the truth, sure.

People have evidence, just you choose not to believe in it. I see you are against religious freedom, my dear.

This argument is testing my Secularist beliefs. I should probably stop before I start believing that religion should be outright banned in schools.

I'm hoping this level of wilful ignorance is not the norm among believers though.

LOL, everyone I know shares this, after all, non-ignorance is best, which is what I'm doing now.

This is an extraordinarly ironic post, since "they have evidence, you just choose not to believe in it" and "non-ignorance is best" is coming from someone arguing against genuine evidence, and in favour of allowing religious schools to turn their pupils ignorant.

[Turanian Utopia]

Any person must learn his/her religion well. School must teach religion to childeren and make them understand it well. Otherwise they gonna learn it from some clowns who decieves people for his personal/political/missionary(psychologic war/agent/spy/) benefits and corrupt the religion wit false dirty infos. And this will cause 2 problem.
1: Some childeren will be brainwashed and able to use as militants by the global powers.
2: Some childeren wil be atheist due to false teachings. Because they confused with a lot of dirty info.

To prevent this, schools must teach religion as how truly is.




"It is not possible for a nation without religion to maintain(survive) itself, Islam is a great religion so; We are the ummah of a prophet who said, "Take the knowledge(science),if it is even in China." We did not fall behind because we are İslam. When superstitions and nonsenses were added to our great religion; then we got away from true Islam and we fell into this situations."
Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

[Necroghastia]

You have done nothing in this thread but advocate that religious people should ignore anything and everything outside of their religion.

I did not say that, you are REALLY twisting my words.

Let's say you want a smaller breed of cat. You take one small cat, and breed it with another small cat.

The new litter of cats will tend towards being small. If you take the smallest of those, and breed it with another cat which is the smallest of another small cat litter, the process will continue.

Give it enough time, you'll have cats far smaller than was originally possible for that species of cat.

Like with the difference between Grand Danes and little Micro-Poodles.

*Doesn't know what Grand Danes or Micro-Poodles are*

Anyone can easily say G-d did that, so yeah. Considering the fact that this isn't the thread topic, I still think that religious schools should teach science, the parts of it that don't go against their beliefs.

That, alongside the aforementioned literal decades of solid research and every other example given that tell us that evolution is the absolute best explanation for species as they are that we have available to us.

I would not say so, comes back the argument that G-d could've made it happen.

It should be a compulsory topic, taught according to the latest scientific research, because it is a scientific theory. In science a theory means it can be replicated and thoroughly examined repeatedly and assessed by researchers, so by all scientific accounts it is objectively true. Therefore it should be taught even in private schools, because parents and guardians do not have the right to isolate their children from scientific truths merely because it offends their fairytale beliefs.

It may not be truths to the religious person!

But what's wrong with secular and informational classes in public schools that teach students interested in religion about the history, tenants, etc. about different sets of belief systems? Seems fine to me as long as instructors don't cross the line and preach or force beliefs on students.

Public school can do whatever they want, I don't care. Religious schools can and should have the option to filter out stuff that go against their beliefs.

I have a hard time with that concept. Private religious schools have been high problematic where I live.

In once instance, an all boys catholic school had their entire football program shut down because of what the news said was rampant inappropriate sexual behaviour among the team and other students.

In another, a more personal experience, an acquaintance of mine went to an all girls catholic private school, and was unaware of the basic concepts of evolution, and even more egregiously, was it taught anything about sex education or female biology. It took her until 3rd year University to get a decent understanding of evolution, and it was only that year, at the age of 21, when she learned that penetration is required for conception.

The idea that a 21 year old woman, who went through primary school and high school, in a developed country, but does not know how her own body works or how children are produced is shocking to me, and is a severe indictment of private education.

Sir/madam, not understanding evolution is okay if you don't believe in it like me!

Students should be prepared with a standardized curriculum. Letting religious schools filter out necessary information is an essential failing of their primary purpose as schools: Preparation for adulthood in our society.

No. What do you mean by necessary info? If they believe G-d controls the world, then his word is all that is necessary!

I was addressing your point about some religions not allowing/discouraging people from interacting with others of other religions. If such a religion says so, then it’s a shite religion that’s nothing more than a tool of control.

Which, come to think of it, all organised religions are.

I don't think so, if G-d said it, he said it, if he didn't, they didn't.

So you think religions should send members into the world unprepared to operate accordingly? Interesting way to expect your chosen people to thrive.

Were this the law, it would be an excellent argument for banning private religious organization outright.

No, they should teach them their job, say a businessman, how to do it, nothing more.

Science is science even if your religion disagrees with it. Science should be taught in schools, regardless of if it disagrees with your holy book.

Evolution is a thing, Heliocentrism is real, Gravity is a force, we're related to all other forms of life, the world is an oblate spheroid.

That's your opinion Science should be taught in schools regardless of whatever. I don't think so.

Pretty much every post of yours is defending the practice of clapping one's hands over their ears and pretending they can't hear when confronted with evidence and other worldviews.

[Necroghastia]

I don't care what's the truth to them. I care what's the truth.

The best (and in effect the truest) explanation for species as they currently are is evolution. Anything else is either outdated (and does not belong in the classroom) or unfounded assumptions (which do not belong in science). If they teach anything other than evolution as the explanation for how species as they currently are came about, they are doing their students a disservice and deserve to be closed down.

Religion is not an excuse for ignorance.

Evolution is not an excuse for ignorance either.

I also care what's the truth, and that is exactly why religious schools should continue teaching their anti-evolution studies.

What evidence do you have that that is the truth?

[Estanglia]

I don't care what's the truth to them. I care what's the truth.

The best (and in effect the truest) explanation for species as they currently are is evolution. Anything else is either outdated (and does not belong in the classroom) or unfounded assumptions (which do not belong in science). If they teach anything other than evolution as the explanation for how species as they currently are came about, they are doing their students a disservice and deserve to be closed down.

Religion is not an excuse for ignorance.

Evolution is not an excuse for ignorance either.

Indeed it's not.

I also care what's the truth, and that is exactly why religious schools should continue teaching their anti-evolution studies.

If you allow people to teach falsehoods, you are lying when you say you care about truth.

[Albrenia]

When they have evidence to back up that it is indeed the truth, sure.

People have evidence, just you choose not to believe in it.

No, they don't.

[La Xinga]

I did not say that, you are REALLY twisting my words.

Actually, not twisting your words at all.

Actually, very much twisting my words.

People have evidence, just you choose not to believe in it. I see you are against religious freedom, my dear.
LOL, everyone I know shares this, after all, non-ignorance is best, which is what I'm doing now.

Faith is believing in something despite a lack of evidence. Which is what religion is. Thou’rt the one choosing to ignore common evidence here.

*sigh* As I have said before, religion has its evidences. Just its people's choice to trust it or not.

[Jedi Council]

I think we can all agree that no one is gonna convince La Xinga that he is being ignorant and foolish for rejecting the concept of facts, and likewise that this strategy is not going to convince any of us.

We might as well all stop trying.

[Eudea]

I think we can all agree that no one is gonna convince La Xinga that he is being ignorant and foolish for rejecting the concept of facts, and likewise that this strategy is not going to convince any of us.

We might as well all stop trying.

Aye. Crimestop is a difficult thing to break. At first.

[Necroghastia]

Actually, not twisting your words at all.

Actually, very much twisting my words.

You literally said you don't understand something, but that's okay because you don't believe it.
How can you decide whether you believe in something without understanding it?

Faith is believing in something despite a lack of evidence. Which is what religion is. Thou’rt the one choosing to ignore common evidence here.

*sigh* As I have said before, religion has its evidences. Just its people's choice to trust it or not.

Feel free to share some of said evidence, then.

[La Xinga]

I think we can all agree that no one is gonna convince La Xinga that he is being ignorant and foolish for rejecting the concept of facts, and likewise that this strategy is not going to convince any of us.

We might as well all stop trying.

Yeah, I agree, and since no one can convince me, I still think I'm not.

People have evidence, just you choose not to believe in it.

No, they don't.

*sigh* As I have said before, religion has its evidences. Just its people's choice to trust it or not.