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Postby Kernen » Sat May 16, 2020 3:44 pm

Aeritai wrote:I think Schools should teach religion, so we can avoid the hate that many religious people experince.

Religious beliefs have little bearing on teaching somebody tolerance. You can do so without teaching religion beyond mere academics.
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Sat May 16, 2020 3:45 pm

"It should only be taught at home"
"I never said it shouldn't be discussed freely and openly"
"It shouldn't be discussed in one of the most important institutions for discussing things"
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Postby Godular » Sat May 16, 2020 3:45 pm

Neutraligon wrote:I do think that private schools or home schools need to be held to certain standards, even if they are being taught religion in school. Many of the less fundamentalist schools do reach that standard. The issue comes when you get to fundamentalist schools or home-schoolers.


In Texas, private schools and homeschooling kiddos are expected to meet the same standards as public schools.

Still though, I was at a Catholic School for a UIL event... freaked me the fuck out.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 16, 2020 3:45 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:I do think that private schools or home schools need to be held to certain standards, even if they are being taught religion in school. Many of the less fundamentalist schools do reach that standard. The issue comes when you get to fundamentalist schools or home-schoolers.

I know you didn't directly say otherwise, but there are lots of liberal home-schoolers. In the UK they are in fact stereotyped as left-wing extremists.

In the US the opposite is true. Homeschoolers are far right or havens for abuse or both
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Postby Jedi Council » Sat May 16, 2020 3:46 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:"It should only be taught at home"
"I never said it shouldn't be discussed freely and openly"
"It shouldn't be discussed in one of the most important institutions for discussing things"
:thonk:

Presuming that is a response to me.

Please try reading closely, it will help with comprehension.

I said, in a follow up post "taught as fact" in a place of public education.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sat May 16, 2020 3:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:I know you didn't directly say otherwise, but there are lots of liberal home-schoolers. In the UK they are in fact stereotyped as left-wing extremists.

In the US the opposite is true. Homeschoolers are far right or havens for abuse or both

Well no they're not.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 16, 2020 3:47 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:That really would depend on how they choose who would be on said commission.


certified educators and maybe a priest.

just to be sure.

Include actual experts in the field as well as remove representatives of religion and I would probably support it. The educators are needed to ensure that students are being taught the stuff at the appropriate level, the experts in the field to ensure that what is being taught is factually correct. A representative of various religions should be present only if one of the topics being taught is a topic about said religion. As to the religious teachings, I believe that is something best left up to the individual private school/homeschooler, and is not something the state should interfere in.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat May 16, 2020 3:47 pm

Godular wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I do think that private schools or home schools need to be held to certain standards, even if they are being taught religion in school. Many of the less fundamentalist schools do reach that standard. The issue comes when you get to fundamentalist schools or home-schoolers.


In Texas, private schools and homeschooling kiddos are expected to meet the same standards as public schools.

Still though, I was at a Catholic School for a UIL event... freaked me the fuck out.


what freaked you out about it?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 16, 2020 3:47 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:"It should only be taught at home"
"I never said it shouldn't be discussed freely and openly"
"It shouldn't be discussed in one of the most important institutions for discussing things"
:thonk:

It’s not too dissimilar to what France does/has done. Besides schools should only exist for indoctrination of the young to the values of the nation.
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Sat May 16, 2020 3:48 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Nap the Magnificent wrote:"It should only be taught at home"
"I never said it shouldn't be discussed freely and openly"
"It shouldn't be discussed in one of the most important institutions for discussing things"
:thonk:

Presuming that is a response to me.

Please try reading closely, it will help with comprehension.

I said, in a follow up post "taught as fact" in a place of public education.

That's not what you were saying earlier though. :^)
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 16, 2020 3:49 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:In the US the opposite is true. Homeschoolers are far right or havens for abuse or both

Well no they're not.

Um yes they are. A lot of homeschoolers are far right, very religious, havens for abuse or all of them. I unfortunately know quite a bit about them
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Postby Vetalia » Sat May 16, 2020 3:51 pm

Kernen wrote:I agree. That is why I conditioned a great deal of what I said.

Of course, thats four, compared to the myriad state and private secular schools on that list. None of the Ivys, iirc. Though, to be fair, I haven't checked.


True, but those four are very, very prestigious universities. I'm sure I could identify many other schools affiliated with religions that are highly ranked but honestly, if you have the brains and the academic record you can get in anywhere even with a disciplinary record from high school. And of course, depending on your religion, attending a university affiliated with your religion may carry far more weight than a degree from an Ivy League school, not that they are the be-all, end-all of education anyways.

Truth be told, after your first job out of college nobody cares where you went to school or what your GPA was, or anything else related to your time there.
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Postby Prorescia » Sat May 16, 2020 3:52 pm

Classes should not be made, (except in private religious schools) but I see no issue with student groups discussing religion and religious topics.
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Postby Godular » Sat May 16, 2020 3:52 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Godular wrote:
In Texas, private schools and homeschooling kiddos are expected to meet the same standards as public schools.

Still though, I was at a Catholic School for a UIL event... freaked me the fuck out.


what freaked you out about it?


There were QR codes to bible passages on the walls, the principal's office was also the Chapel, and with my deep-rooted dispute over using school as an apparatus for religious indoctrination I was at a discomfort level of 11/10.

They cooked a fine lunch though.
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Postby Aeritai » Sat May 16, 2020 3:53 pm

Kernen wrote:
Aeritai wrote:I think Schools should teach religion, so we can avoid the hate that many religious people experince.

Religious beliefs have little bearing on teaching somebody tolerance. You can do so without teaching religion beyond mere academics.


We can still use it to prevent misinformation that could cause hate towards religion.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 16, 2020 3:54 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Kernen wrote:Religious beliefs have little bearing on teaching somebody tolerance. You can do so without teaching religion beyond mere academics.


We can still use it to prevent misinformation that could cause hate towards religion.

Preventing hate isn’t my problem nor is it possible.
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Postby Godular » Sat May 16, 2020 3:54 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Kernen wrote:Religious beliefs have little bearing on teaching somebody tolerance. You can do so without teaching religion beyond mere academics.


We can still use it to prevent misinformation that could cause hate towards religion.


Honestly, that just strikes me as the fact that maybe there should be a class about tolerance.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sat May 16, 2020 3:55 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Presuming that is a response to me.

Please try reading closely, it will help with comprehension.

I said, in a follow up post "taught as fact" in a place of public education.

That's not what you were saying earlier though. :^)


Not my fault you only read part of a thread and think its edgy to post a silly comment without taking into account more of the discussion. You read what you wanted to read, not what I said
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 16, 2020 3:55 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Kernen wrote:Religious beliefs have little bearing on teaching somebody tolerance. You can do so without teaching religion beyond mere academics.


We can still use it to prevent misinformation that could cause hate towards religion.


Hate toward religion or religious people? Because I hate Islam but I have many Muslim friends and don't think ill of most people who practice Islam.
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Postby Tokora » Sat May 16, 2020 3:55 pm

No one will ever agree to do this but I always liked the idea of a class that taught about currently practiced faiths equally and leaving it up to the students to decide which is true.

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Postby Kernen » Sat May 16, 2020 3:55 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Kernen wrote:I agree. That is why I conditioned a great deal of what I said.

Of course, thats four, compared to the myriad state and private secular schools on that list. None of the Ivys, iirc. Though, to be fair, I haven't checked.


True, but those four are very, very prestigious universities. I'm sure I could identify many other schools affiliated with religions that are highly ranked but honestly, if you have the brains and the academic record you can get in anywhere even with a disciplinary record from high school. And of course, depending on your religion, attending a university affiliated with your religion may carry far more weight than a degree from an Ivy League school, not that they are the be-all, end-all of education anyways.

Truth be told, after your first job out of college nobody cares where you went to school or what your GPA was, or anything else related to your time there.


Again, agree. But the average student, being average, will likely not be able to do so.

Agree that it matters a great deal on what you want out of a collegiate experience. Thus my assertion that correlation isn't causation.

Disagree that your school does not matter after the first job, having seen the protective associations inherent to many quality institutions. In the right field, it makes you.

Also, I looked at Johns Hopkins and didn't see a religious affiliation listed. Am I missing something?

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South Odreria 2 wrote:Well no they're not.

Um yes they are. A lot of homeschoolers are far right, very religious, havens for abuse or all of them. I unfortunately know quite a bit about them

This has been my experience, for all that it is anecdotal.
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Postby Kernen » Sat May 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Kernen wrote:Religious beliefs have little bearing on teaching somebody tolerance. You can do so without teaching religion beyond mere academics.


We can still use it to prevent misinformation that could cause hate towards religion.

In a purely academic sense, perhaps.
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Postby Godular » Sat May 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Tokora wrote:No one will ever agree to do this but I always liked the idea of a class that taught about currently practiced faiths equally and leaving it up to the students to decide which is true.


Returning to 'Decent in concept, trainwreck in practice'...
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 16, 2020 3:57 pm

Kernen wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
We can still use it to prevent misinformation that could cause hate towards religion.

In a purely academic sense, perhaps.


Keep in mind that antisemitism and Islamaphobia are often racially motivated, so by teaching the science behind race and culture, we can really help to prevent those two horrible evils.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 16, 2020 3:57 pm

Godular wrote:
Tokora wrote:No one will ever agree to do this but I always liked the idea of a class that taught about currently practiced faiths equally and leaving it up to the students to decide which is true.


Returning to 'Decent in concept, trainwreck in practice'...


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