Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

[Kernen]

No argument against that. I'm not sure most of those schools are as good, but it depends very much on what you want out of a collegiate experience.

While not making a claim against the curriculum of such schools, in my experience the philosophy majors from such schools that pop up on this forum have tended towards magnum-opus-level douchebaggery.

No doubt. Truly, a secular school is not good because it is secular. But the "good" colleges out there in the U.S. do tend to be secular. Correlation but not causation, I am sure.

[Vetalia]

No argument against that. I'm not sure most of those schools are as good, but it depends very much on what you want out of a collegiate experience.

Georgetown University, John Carroll, the University of Dayton and Notre Dame are all affiliated with the Catholic Church and are some of the best universities in the country, for example. I don't know much about universities associated with Protestant churches but I would expect there to be numerous high-ranking universities affiliated with their denominations as well. For other religions you'd probably have to look overseas, though.

[Hakons]

Private schools should receive public funding. It would make the education system a bit more neutral. Religious education shouldn’t be available just for wealthy children, it should be accessible to all children. The present state of affairs makes religious people find secular education with their taxes and pay large amounts for a private religious education.

[Thermodolia]

what?

Both of those are used to indoctrinate kids with values, worldviews, etc. I mean, all education does this but generally we don't like to think of it as such because indoctrination is for "uncivilized" types in popular Western discourse.

Indoctrination isn’t bad. I have no issues with it.

[Agarntrop]

Both of those are used to indoctrinate kids with values, worldviews, etc. I mean, all education does this but generally we don't like to think of it as such because indoctrination is for "uncivilized" types in popular Western discourse.

Indoctrination isn’t bad. I have no issues with it.

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[Loben The 2nd]

The end result, of course, is that religious students will have disciplinary records that make it difficult to be competitive at secular colleges.

I guess that works out for those who know when to render unto Caesar.

Well one of the worst teachings of the alleged Jesus was the idea that persecution, in his name, is a sign of success. So those kind of natural consequences of their actions Will only encourage them.

And there’s plenty of Christian colleges that I’m sure will be willing to accept them.

"alleged"

yea ok.

[South Odreria 2]

While not making a claim against the curriculum of such schools, in my experience the philosophy majors from such schools that pop up on this forum have tended towards magnum-opus-level douchebaggery.

No doubt. Truly, a secular school is not good because it is secular. But the "good" colleges out there in the U.S. do tend to be secular. Correlation but not causation, I am sure.

In point of fact, many of the top schools are affiliated with a religion.

[Thermodolia]

Indoctrination isn’t bad. I have no issues with it.

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Indoctrination in the values of the nation is a good thing. So secular indoctrination is a good thing

[Kernen]

No argument against that. I'm not sure most of those schools are as good, but it depends very much on what you want out of a collegiate experience.

Georgetown University, John Carroll, the University of Dayton and Notre Dame are all affiliated with the Catholic Church and are some of the best universities in the country, for example. I don't know much about universities associated with Protestant churches but I would expect there to be numerous high-ranking universities affiliated with their denominations as well. For other religions you'd probably have to look overseas, though.

I agree. That is why I conditioned a great deal of what I said.

Of course, thats four, compared to the myriad state and private secular schools on that list. None of the Ivys, iirc. Though, to be fair, I haven't checked.

[Jedi Council]

Private schools should receive public funding. It would make the education system a bit more neutral. Religious education shouldn’t be available just for wealthy children, it should be accessible to all children. The present state of affairs makes religious people find secular education with their taxes and pay large amounts for a private religious education.

Or they could just teach their religious beliefs and views in the home?

[Thermodolia]

Private schools should receive public funding. It would make the education system a bit more neutral. Religious education shouldn’t be available just for wealthy children, it should be accessible to all children. The present state of affairs makes religious people find secular education with their taxes and pay large amounts for a private religious education.

Religious education shouldn’t even be legal. It should be something that’s taught at home or the place of worship not in schools

[Kernen]

No doubt. Truly, a secular school is not good because it is secular. But the "good" colleges out there in the U.S. do tend to be secular. Correlation but not causation, I am sure.

In point of fact, many of the top schools are affiliated with a religion.

Quick scan of the US news national review gives 3/25. Take that as you will, I guess.

[South Odreria 2]

Not strictly on topic but I had a high school history teacher that was opposed to compulsory education at all.

[Vetalia]

Its been some time since I applied to undergraduate studies, but I recall submitting a transcript that included disciplinary action. The transcript did not include a detailed description that would make that clear.

I do recall applying to graduate school, which questioned my disciplinary record considerably.

I don't recall having to submit a transcript with disciplinary actions for undergrad...mine would have been clean, but even if it weren't I could attest to my academic performance, test scores, etc. In this case a one-off disciplinary action probably wouldn't raise any questions especially if you explain it. For my grad school application I assume there would have been a disciplinary record but as far as I am aware the only real actions that would have been taken would have been for serious things like plagiarism.

[Loben The 2nd]

Private schools should receive public funding. It would make the education system a bit more neutral. Religious education shouldn’t be available just for wealthy children, it should be accessible to all children. The present state of affairs makes religious people find secular education with their taxes and pay large amounts for a private religious education.

Or they could just teach their religious beliefs and views in the home?

oh sure, not allowed to discuss faith at all in public or be stigmatized, what a tolerant society you have built on the backs of others.

[Neutraligon]

I do think that private schools or home schools need to be held to certain standards, even if they are being taught religion in school. Many of the less fundamentalist schools do reach that standard. The issue comes when you get to fundamentalist schools or home-schoolers.

[South Odreria 2]

Or they could just teach their religious beliefs and views in the home?

oh sure, not allowed to discuss faith at all in public or be stigmatized, what a tolerant society you have built on the backs of others.

It would seem that public funding of private schools is a different issue than allowing people to talk about their religion.

[Loben The 2nd]

I do think that private schools or home schools need to be held to certain standards, even if they are being taught religion in school. Many of the less fundamentalist schools do reach that standard. The issue comes when you get to fundamentalist schools or home-schoolers.

would you be open to a commission of sorts be established to set a guideline?

[Kernen]

Its been some time since I applied to undergraduate studies, but I recall submitting a transcript that included disciplinary action. The transcript did not include a detailed description that would make that clear.

I do recall applying to graduate school, which questioned my disciplinary record considerably.

I don't recall having to submit a transcript with disciplinary actions for undergrad...mine would have been clean, but even if it weren't I could attest to my academic performance, test scores, etc. In this case a one-off disciplinary action probably wouldn't raise any questions especially if you explain it. For my grad school application I assume there would have been a disciplinary record but as far as I am aware the only real actions that would have been taken would have been for serious things like plagiarism.

Perhaps it depends on the program. I had to submit a detailed explanation of all academic disciplinary actions. And all criminal charges, not convictions.

[Neutraligon]

I do think that private schools or home schools need to be held to certain standards, even if they are being taught religion in school. Many of the less fundamentalist schools do reach that standard. The issue comes when you get to fundamentalist schools or home-schoolers.

would you be open to a commission of sorts be established to set a guideline?

That really would depend on how they choose who would be on said commission.

[Godular]

Private schools should receive public funding. It would make the education system a bit more neutral. Religious education shouldn’t be available just for wealthy children, it should be accessible to all children. The present state of affairs makes religious people find secular education with their taxes and pay large amounts for a private religious education.

Nope nope fuck that noise nope nope nuh-uh nope. Even the concept of vouchers is ubermax bullshit. Improve the system, don't fuck it up further to help your own agenda.

[Jedi Council]

Or they could just teach their religious beliefs and views in the home?

oh sure, not allowed to discuss faith at all in public or be stigmatized, what a tolerant society you have built on the backs of others.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth, I'll just go ahead and remove them.

I said "teach religious beliefs and views at home."

I never said that such things should not be discussed freely and openly. They just should not discussed as fact in the context of a place of public education

[Aeritai]

I think Schools should teach religion, so we can avoid the hate that many religious people experince.

[Loben The 2nd]

would you be open to a commission of sorts be established to set a guideline?

That really would depend on how they choose who would be on said commission.

certified educators and maybe a priest.

just to be sure.

[South Odreria 2]

I do think that private schools or home schools need to be held to certain standards, even if they are being taught religion in school. Many of the less fundamentalist schools do reach that standard. The issue comes when you get to fundamentalist schools or home-schoolers.

I know you didn't directly say otherwise, but there are lots of liberal home-schoolers. In the UK they are in fact stereotyped as left-wing extremists.