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Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

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How can religions evangelize in schools?

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Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

Postby Geneviev » Sat May 16, 2020 1:04 pm

Some schools, particularly in the United States in my experience, have groups dedicated to certain religions, in which teachers or other adults teach children about their religion. In my experience, that religion is Christianity, although there are probably other religions that do the same thing. In these groups, children are taught that a certain religion is true by an authority figure, although they are usually optional.

Other schools teach religion as an official subject. In Germany, it is a required subject in public schools and is usually provided by churches. In these situations, religion, which usually Christianity, although there are sometimes secular or Muslim alternatives, is taught in a classroom, but it is sometimes less biased and students can choose not to be in the class.

In both of these examples, churches use schools to evangelize to students. What do you think, NSG? Should both situations be allowed, or only one of them, or none? Is there another method that you would consider more appropriate?

In my opinion, both of these should be allowed because they do not necessarily favor one religion over another, so students can make a decision. Allowing students the opportunity to learn about a religion they already believe in is better than using things like this to evangelize to more, but doing so should be allowed to protect freedom of religion.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat May 16, 2020 1:05 pm

Yes, religions should be free to evangelize in schools.
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Postby Nakena » Sat May 16, 2020 1:06 pm

I think the thread title is slightly misleading, to what you say in the OP.

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Postby Agarntrop » Sat May 16, 2020 1:09 pm

I think so, but this needs to be a balanced pool.

Public schools should not, implicitly or explicitly, indoctrinate their students into a religion.
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Postby Godular » Sat May 16, 2020 1:10 pm

Fuck to the hell no.
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Postby Hobbes Dystopia » Sat May 16, 2020 1:11 pm

Religion should be taught in schools from a neutral (or as close to neutral as possible) point of view. It is important that children learn what religion is and what it brings. Evangelize, no. There are plenty of places available to indoctrinate children outside public school.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat May 16, 2020 1:13 pm

Sundiata wrote:Yes, religions should be free to evangelize in schools.

As long as we can take time in your church to teach science.
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Postby Godular » Sat May 16, 2020 1:13 pm

Hobbes dystopia wrote:Religion should be taught in schools from a neutral (or as close to neutral as possible) point of view. It is important that children learn what religion is and what it brings. Evangelize, no. There are plenty of places available to indoctrinate children outside public school.


Okay, at least in THIS case I do somewhat agree. I think we can both understand though that while the idea might look excellent in concept, in practice it would not work nearly as cleanly.
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Postby Estanglia » Sat May 16, 2020 1:17 pm

I'm leaning to both, as long as the teaching of religion is as unbiased as possible. If it's biased in favour of one religion (e.g teaching that one religion is better/truer than all the others), it shouldn't be allowed.

The teaching of religion should be unbiased period, since there it's an authority figure of a teacher telling impressionable kids about religion, and that authority figure should not pick one religion over another or act like one religion is true and the rest are false.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 16, 2020 1:20 pm

No, students have no choice in going to school. You religion does not get access to a captive audience of children in a place intended for learning. If you want to evangelize, do it somewhere else.

If students want to run their own clubs that is their choice. If schools want to teach about a religion (that is not the same as evangelizing) then so long as it is done from a neutral point, and so long as other religions are also taught about then so be it. Unfortunately in the US those classes often end up being more evangelizing then teaching about a religion.
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Sat May 16, 2020 1:23 pm

Yes. Also lol at "public schools are not places of indoctrination".
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Postby Eudea » Sat May 16, 2020 1:24 pm

Absolutely not. Compulsory education is a place for learning, education and the development of youths. It is not a place for indoctrination into dogmatic and exploitative religion, especially the kind found in the USA and much of the developing world. Religion should only ever be tackled from a neutral, secular point of view.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat May 16, 2020 1:27 pm

How about they get to teach about religion when every kid can read and write and do maths to a good level.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 16, 2020 1:27 pm

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Postby The Sladerstan » Sat May 16, 2020 1:27 pm

They should really teach creationism first... if not Christianity will be basically a book of fairytales for the students. You have to show there is a God and then show who He is.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 16, 2020 1:27 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:How about they get to teach about religion when every kid can read and write and do maths to a good level.

So...never.
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Postby Hobbes Dystopia » Sat May 16, 2020 1:27 pm

Godular wrote:
Hobbes dystopia wrote:Religion should be taught in schools from a neutral (or as close to neutral as possible) point of view. It is important that children learn what religion is and what it brings. Evangelize, no. There are plenty of places available to indoctrinate children outside public school.


Okay, at least in THIS case I do somewhat agree. I think we can both understand though that while the idea might look excellent in concept, in practice it would not work nearly as cleanly.


To be fair, my hopes in teaching religion in schools would be that some children would realise the true nature of religion and turn away from it, but for now part of humanity trusts more in religion than science so my plan would easily backfire. Religion should not be taught in schools.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 16, 2020 1:29 pm

Hobbes dystopia wrote:
Godular wrote:
Okay, at least in THIS case I do somewhat agree. I think we can both understand though that while the idea might look excellent in concept, in practice it would not work nearly as cleanly.


To be fair, my hopes in teaching religion in schools would be that some children would realise the true nature of religion and turn away from it, but for now part of humanity trusts more in religion than science so my plan would easily backfire. Religion should not be taught in schools.

The problem is that it is far to easy for someone to teach that a religion is true (or false), even while they are supposed to be teaching about the religion.
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Sat May 16, 2020 1:30 pm

Maybe we shouldn't teach history in school. Maybe no philosophy either.
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Postby Agarntrop » Sat May 16, 2020 1:30 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:Maybe we shouldn't teach history in school. Maybe no philosophy either.

what?
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Postby Kragholm Free States » Sat May 16, 2020 1:31 pm

I don't believe in God, but it'd be rather logically inconsistent to refuse to allow schools to teach God-worship when they already teach State-worship.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat May 16, 2020 1:31 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:How about they get to teach about religion when every kid can read and write and do maths to a good level.

So...never.


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Postby Geneviev » Sat May 16, 2020 1:31 pm

Neutraligon wrote:No, students have no choice in going to school. You religion does not get access to a captive audience of children in a place intended for learning. If you want to evangelize, do it somewhere else.

If students want to run their own clubs that is their choice. If schools want to teach about a religion (that is not the same as evangelizing) then so long as it is done from a neutral point, and so long as other religions are also taught about then so be it. Unfortunately in the US those classes often end up being more evangelizing then teaching about a religion.

It's not just the US. Germany can lean toward that, depending on where you are. Teaching about religion, when it's done by churches, is always going to be evangelizing.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sat May 16, 2020 1:32 pm

No.

If religion is truly a "private matter" as the religious all seem to argue when confronted, then it should live up to that claim. Its place is in Church, or in the home, if you so desire.

Higher education has Theology or Religious Studues classes if one is so inclined, and there are always private schools that are faith based if one desires their children to be brought up in that manner.
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