Should Native American Nations be made independent countries

[Rojava Free State]

It doesn't anymore. They don't make up more than 20% of America.

20% seems like a very low estimate. But nevertheless, the concept of "Western values" as it is often understood is Anglo-Saxon in essence. The United States still heavily emphasizes this concept, often to the detriment of other cultures.

Western values imo are values of Western European origin. So Greco-Roman thought with a sprinkling of Christianity. America was once an Anglo Saxon centric state but it is no longer. Nowadays it may be a little Eurocentric but not specific to the English.

[Heloin]

No it isn't. It's a condescending ramble that begins with one point, creates a conclusion that directly contradicts what he first stated, then bitches about what western culture is.

Are you denying that Anglo-Saxon supremacist thought lies at the basis of the United States as a country?

I mean, no, that's not the basis of the United States existing. The founding fathers of America were a bunch of drunk radical libertarians who owned slaves, the idea of a American purely Anglo-Saxon culture comes about from racist groups like the Know Nothings 50 years later.

[Dahyan]

Are you denying that Anglo-Saxon supremacist thought lies at the basis of the United States as a country?

I mean, no, that's not the basis of the United States existing. The founding fathers of America were a bunch of drunk radical libertarians who owned slaves, the idea of a American purely Anglo-Saxon culture comes about from racist groups like the Know Nothings 50 years later.

Libertarianism is quite Anglo in nature. Basically the American rebellion was about the British not being considered libertarian enough in their dealings with the colonies.

[Heloin]

I mean, no, that's not the basis of the United States existing. The founding fathers of America were a bunch of drunk radical libertarians who owned slaves, the idea of a American purely Anglo-Saxon culture comes about from racist groups like the Know Nothings 50 years later.

Libertarianism is quite Anglo in nature. Basically the American rebellion was about the British not being considered libertarian enough in their dealings with the colonies.

The idea of Anglo-Saxon Americanism is purely an idea spun from racist know nothings half a century after the American revolution. Calling Libertarianism, an idea brought about due to enlightenment thinking in Western Europe, "Anglo" is ignoring the fact that this was not a self described term for centuries at that point.

[Rojava Free State]

I mean, no, that's not the basis of the United States existing. The founding fathers of America were a bunch of drunk radical libertarians who owned slaves, the idea of a American purely Anglo-Saxon culture comes about from racist groups like the Know Nothings 50 years later.

Libertarianism is quite Anglo in nature. Basically the American rebellion was about the British not being considered libertarian enough in their dealings with the colonies.

The Iroquois confederacy be like "bruh."

[Eudea]

I mean, no, that's not the basis of the United States existing. The founding fathers of America were a bunch of drunk radical libertarians who owned slaves, the idea of a American purely Anglo-Saxon culture comes about from racist groups like the Know Nothings 50 years later.

Libertarianism is quite Anglo in nature. Basically the American rebellion was about the British not being considered libertarian enough in their dealings with the colonies.

I’m pretty sure tensions were mainly about the American colonists wanting representation in Parliament (making the government bigger) and about the high taxes being levied on them after the war between France and Great Britain. I don’t think it was really libertarian in nature.

[Rojava Free State]

Libertarianism is quite Anglo in nature. Basically the American rebellion was about the British not being considered libertarian enough in their dealings with the colonies.

I’m pretty sure tensions were mainly about the American colonists wanting representation in Parliament (making the government bigger) and about the high taxes being levied on them after the war between France and Great Britain. I don’t think it was really libertarian in nature.

It was about them wanting their democratic right to representation...and to not be taxed, something Americans still love while also wanting crazy social services.

[Eudea]

I’m pretty sure tensions were mainly about the American colonists wanting representation in Parliament (making the government bigger) and about the high taxes being levied on them after the war between France and Great Britain. I don’t think it was really libertarian in nature.

It was about them wanting their democratic right to representation...and to not be taxed, something Americans still love while also wanting crazy social services.

Hm. I am not particularly well-read on the War for American Independence, so I've undoubtedly missed some bits. That thing about not wanting to be taxed is rather peculiar, though. Do the reserves need to pay taxes? I know they aren’t very represented or really cared for by the American government IIRC.

[Heloin]

It was about them wanting their democratic right to representation...and to not be taxed, something Americans still love while also wanting crazy social services.

Hm. I am not particularly well-read on the War for American Independence, so I've undoubtedly missed some bits. That thing about not wanting to be taxed is rather peculiar, though.

America's early history is a wild read of drunk libertarians fighting drunker libertarians, and that's not even bringing the British into the mix. Truly god's own country.

Do the reserves need to pay taxes? I know they aren’t very represented or really cared for by the American government IIRC.

You don't pay some taxes on reservations. Sort of an odd compensation prize for centuries of oppression.

[Eudea]

Hm. I am not particularly well-read on the War for American Independence, so I've undoubtedly missed some bits. That thing about not wanting to be taxed is rather peculiar, though.

America's early history is a wild read of drunk libertarians fighting drunker libertarians, and that's not even bringing the British into the mix. Truly god's own country.

Do the reserves need to pay taxes? I know they aren’t very represented or really cared for by the American government IIRC.

You don't pay some taxes on reservations. Sort of an odd compensation prize for centuries of oppression.

No taxation + no representation. Hmm.

[Heloin]

America's early history is a wild read of drunk libertarians fighting drunker libertarians, and that's not even bringing the British into the mix. Truly god's own country.


You don't pay some taxes on reservations. Sort of an odd compensation prize for centuries of oppression.

No taxation + no representation. Hmm.

It's really not as sweet as Libertarians in any time period make it out to be.

[Eudea]

No taxation + no representation. Hmm.

It's really not as sweet as Libertarians in any time period make it out to be.

I’m far from the cloth from which libertarians are cut, but I can only imagine how shite it truly is.

[Dahyan]

Libertarianism is quite Anglo in nature. Basically the American rebellion was about the British not being considered libertarian enough in their dealings with the colonies.

The Iroquois confederacy be like "bruh."

Iroquois libertarianism? Please elaborate how you see that?

[Rojava Free State]

The Iroquois confederacy be like "bruh."

Iroquois libertarianism? Please elaborate how you see that?

https://libsoc-wiki.fandom.com/wiki/Hau ... onfederacy

Consider the following.

[Heloin]

Iroquois libertarianism? Please elaborate how you see that?

https://libsoc-wiki.fandom.com/wiki/Hau ... onfederacy

Consider the following.

When I use libertarianism in reference to early America I'm using it in the American sense, à la right-libertarianism or the Tea Party Movement.

More importantly use better sources then fandom.com to make your point.

[Rojava Free State]

https://libsoc-wiki.fandom.com/wiki/Hau ... onfederacy

Consider the following.

When I use libertarianism in reference to early America I'm using it in the American sense, à la right-libertarianism or the Tea Party Movement.

More importantly use better sources then fandom.com to make your point.

Aye aye

https://reason.org/commentary/native-am ... school-li/

[Dahyan]

Iroquois libertarianism? Please elaborate how you see that?

https://libsoc-wiki.fandom.com/wiki/Hau ... onfederacy

Consider the following.

Doesn't seem particularly economically libertarian to me.

[Alart]

Sure. If they want independence they should have independence.

[Slavakino]

No. Decentralisation of the USA would cause a collapse of a superpower which then the Chinese will dominate

[Rojava Free State]

https://libsoc-wiki.fandom.com/wiki/Hau ... onfederacy

Consider the following.

Doesn't seem particularly economically libertarian to me.

All I said was liberterian. You seem to be thinking of right wing liberterians like the Ancaps (GVH) but never thought about the left wing ones.

[Rojava Free State]

No. Decentralisation of the USA would cause a collapse of a superpower which then the Chinese will dominate

You do understand that most of America is not a bunch of reservations right?

And as far as I'm concerned, I dont want any superpowers to exist, but alas, that hasn't ever been the case in most of history.

[Ojibwen]

So I had this idea recently while I was at work and it really got me thinking. In my state we have several native American reservations, one being located just outside Mount Pleasant, and each is home to the Ojibwe people. Native American tribes are often referred to as nations and the reservations are given alot of legal leeway in the states, like different regulations on hunting and fishing or the establishment of casinos. Each nation elects its own leaders and representatives and has official tribal governments. But what if, just for hypothetical proposition, in an act of reparations for the past oppression of the Native Americans, we granted independence to a particular native American reservation or all native American tribes in general? What if we took white pine reserve out in the Dakotas, closed the other Sioux reservations nearby, and granted an amount of land equivalent to that of the other reservations to White Pine, and then moved in the other reservations' populations? Do you think it would be a good idea to allow a native American reservation and furthermore a nation to declare independence from the United States? My opinion is mixed, since I believe in self determination but also could see economic issues due to the inland nature of a reservation like White Pine, but other people I'm sure have different opinions. Does anyone here live in a reservation? Let me know down below.

That's the literal concept of my nation! Ojibwe was taken, so I had to use Ojibwen.

[Rojava Free State]

So I had this idea recently while I was at work and it really got me thinking. In my state we have several native American reservations, one being located just outside Mount Pleasant, and each is home to the Ojibwe people. Native American tribes are often referred to as nations and the reservations are given alot of legal leeway in the states, like different regulations on hunting and fishing or the establishment of casinos. Each nation elects its own leaders and representatives and has official tribal governments. But what if, just for hypothetical proposition, in an act of reparations for the past oppression of the Native Americans, we granted independence to a particular native American reservation or all native American tribes in general? What if we took white pine reserve out in the Dakotas, closed the other Sioux reservations nearby, and granted an amount of land equivalent to that of the other reservations to White Pine, and then moved in the other reservations' populations? Do you think it would be a good idea to allow a native American reservation and furthermore a nation to declare independence from the United States? My opinion is mixed, since I believe in self determination but also could see economic issues due to the inland nature of a reservation like White Pine, but other people I'm sure have different opinions. Does anyone here live in a reservation? Let me know down below.

That's the literal concept of my nation! Ojibwe was taken, so I had to use Ojibwen.

Ah yes the Ojibwe. The native tribe of my homestate.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im all for self determination but i just cant see how any of them would survive long term as independent states.

[Dahyan]

No. Decentralisation of the USA would cause a collapse of a superpower which then the Chinese will dominate

You make it sound like that would be a bad thing.