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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed May 20, 2020 1:02 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Soft power is immensely overrated by liberal theorists.

Well there is not much I can say aside from I disagree.

There's no reason to disagree. Soft power only exists in perception. Hard power exists independently of whether you perceive it. One is clearly more applicable than the other.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 20, 2020 1:33 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Well there is not much I can say aside from I disagree.

There's no reason to disagree. Soft power only exists in perception. Hard power exists independently of whether you perceive it. One is clearly more applicable than the other.


Wouldn it be most sensible then if the US were to adopt their own homemade brand of Songun?

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Postby Diahon » Wed May 20, 2020 3:21 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:In terms of hard power.

But there is more to power than your military.

Germany is the de facto leader of the European Union, and while it does not exercise sovereign control over these states, its influence is quite large.

Now, the traditional five great powers were the P5 of the UNSC, and, while the UK and France are not great powers any more, there can be a case for them as strong regional powers.

Soft power is immensely overrated by liberal theorists.


compare and contrast us soft power in the '90s and today

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Postby Arzt0zka » Wed May 20, 2020 3:22 am

Libertarian democracy #1.

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Postby Jedi Council » Wed May 20, 2020 3:24 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Well there is not much I can say aside from I disagree.

There's no reason to disagree. Soft power only exists in perception. Hard power exists independently of whether you perceive it. One is clearly more applicable than the other.

But perception is important.

Soft power is obviously less blatant than hard power but can be just as effective.
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Postby Diahon » Wed May 20, 2020 3:27 am

Arzt0zka wrote:Libertarian democracy #1.


given how so many libertarians are now given to small government not as the best guarantor of rights for all but as a cover for authoritarian government, i STRONGLY suggest you cool off for a generation or two

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Postby Arzt0zka » Wed May 20, 2020 3:28 am

Diahon wrote:
Arzt0zka wrote:Libertarian democracy #1.


given how so many libertarians are now given to small government not as the best guarantor of rights for all but as a cover for authoritarian government, i STRONGLY suggest you cool off for a generation or two

Are you literally quoting the "libertarians are secret nazis" meme?

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Postby Nakena » Wed May 20, 2020 3:29 am

Arzt0zka wrote:
Diahon wrote:
given how so many libertarians are now given to small government not as the best guarantor of rights for all but as a cover for authoritarian government, i STRONGLY suggest you cool off for a generation or two

Are you literally quoting the "libertarians are secret nazis" meme?


You're literally residing in Nazi Europe lol.

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Postby Arzt0zka » Wed May 20, 2020 3:32 am

Nakena wrote:
Arzt0zka wrote:Are you literally quoting the "libertarians are secret nazis" meme?


You're literally residing in Nazi Europe lol.


"lol because you larp as a certain ideology in a online simulator game that must mean you support those in real life views!"

On multiple different accounts throughout the internet i larp as a:

Communist

Anarcho Communist

Fascist

An-Cap

Radical Centrist

National Bolshevik

Anarchist

Anarcho Primitivist

and a feminist, your online larp skills don't personify your actual political views.

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Postby Diahon » Wed May 20, 2020 3:38 am

Arzt0zka wrote:
Diahon wrote:
given how so many libertarians are now given to small government not as the best guarantor of rights for all but as a cover for authoritarian government, i STRONGLY suggest you cool off for a generation or two

Are you literally quoting the "libertarians are secret nazis" meme?


nah, it's just that rightwing libertarians, especially the american sort, have increasingly become the modern equivalents of orwell's pacifist intelligentsia -- peace at all costs, even if it means authoritarian government
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Wed May 20, 2020 3:51 am

Whether democracy is good or not depends upon the circumstances. If a country is poorly developed for democracy, lacks a robust education system and its people aren’t very democratically able, then it is no better than autocratic or oligarchic systems. However when it has a strong system of checks and balances combined with an able voting population, then it is much better than most other systems.

Autocrats and dictators can be useful in developing a country for democracy, but democracy isn’t the go-to system upon toppling a regime (see: Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc). Ideally countries would be placed under a pro-democracy dictator who would see to the building of key infrastructure, educating the populace in complimentary ideals and civic duties, intelligently foster democratic bases and actually drain the swamp of those who could immediately jeopardise democratisation either through imprisonment, execution, re-education and other methods.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed May 20, 2020 6:27 am

Jedi Council wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:There's no reason to disagree. Soft power only exists in perception. Hard power exists independently of whether you perceive it. One is clearly more applicable than the other.

But perception is important.

Soft power is obviously less blatant than hard power but can be just as effective.

Perception is important, yes, but it's good to be able to back perception with reality, as otherwise as soon as countries realize there's not that much reason to be on your side, they will defect.
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Postby Bassoe » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:05 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Drongonia wrote:It stinks.

It'd be better if everyone involved was genuinely fighting to impliment ideas which they believed would benefit the nation and its people, but they aren't. They're fighting to keep their jobs, please their donors, and ensure they have a nice career and a hefty pension afterwards.

I would rather be ruled without question by one man or group who genuinely cared for the good of their fellow countrymen than get to walk out once every 3 years and choose between:

[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and racially?
[ ] Do you want your country owned by China economically and socially?
[ ] Do you want to be actively discriminated against for being a majority in your country?
[ ] Do you want old people to get more benefits, only because the leader of this party knows the majority of his voters are old?
[ ] Do you want whatever the blue party says, but in yellow?
[ ] Do you want your vote to be thrown in the rubbish because of the MMP vote redistribution system?
[ ] Do you want the a vocal minority sect of the minority group in your country to rule everything?
*All options now come with compulsory bending the knee to China.

Obviously your mileage may vary but the above is my country anyway.

how can a country be "owned racially" what the actual fuck.... this is senator anning tier...

The PRC uses force to control its own corporations and keep them from making deals harmful to the PRC as a whole, while as a whole, the rest of the world doesn't. Therefore, the PRC can play pay-to-win international politics much more effectively than countries hampered by rogue corporations lobbying for things harmful for their host countries as a whole, but profitable for them personally, for example, offshoring jobs, respecting the IP of foreigners, etc.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:07 pm

Bassoe wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:how can a country be "owned racially" what the actual fuck.... this is senator anning tier...

The PRC uses force to control its own corporations and keep them from making deals harmful to the PRC as a whole, while as a whole, the rest of the world doesn't. Therefore, the PRC can play pay-to-win international politics much more effectively than countries hampered by rogue corporations lobbying for things harmful for their host countries as a whole, but profitable for them personally, for example, offshoring jobs, respecting the IP of foreigners, etc.

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