Why is racism bad? So capitalism can run smoothly?

[Kowani]

I will admit to being mildly annoyed that I actually made an effort-post for once and had it ignored.

[Vistulange]

I will admit to being mildly annoyed that I actually made an effort-post for once and had it ignored.

If it's any consolation, I agree to the part about the Jews, having some knowledge about that topic.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

[quote="South Acren";p="37111808"Your "Blood is thicker than water and a tribal allegiance is a safer bet than just hanging around random decent people precisely because race is hereditary and permanent." idea is unneeded now adays. We are advanced beyond this, and avoid people for color alone is so backasswards a top would look clearer.[/quote]
Why are the Jews doing so well with it then?

[Vistulange]

Your "Blood is thicker than water and a tribal allegiance is a safer bet than just hanging around random decent people precisely because race is hereditary and permanent." idea is unneeded now adays. We are advanced beyond this, and avoid people for color alone is so backasswards a top would look clearer.

Why are the Jews doing so well with it then?

Let's entertain the bullshit notion of a monolithic "Jews" for a moment, for the sake of argument.

"The Jews", if you had bothered to read counter-arguments to your own conclusions, have been largely persecuted and shunned by gentiles for a very, very, very long time. Combined with being a diaspora literally everywhere until 1948, that creates isolation, which forces you to interact with similar people, since you can't really interact with others on equal footing. It's not race, it's literally centuries upon centuries of social conditioning.

[Nolo gap]

racism, like all biggotry, is illogical, and narrows one's own perceptions, the range of what one might experience and enjoy, even one's understanding and perception of reality. and capitolism is not a universe. it is an optional perspective that is not a default condition of anything. it is perhaps less illogical then biological biggotry, though still just as illogical to assume it to be a default condition. distinguish it from ideology or not, like ideologies, all economic structures fail in some contexts, different ones in different ones.

bad, the measure of bad, is harm and unhappiness, injury and suffering.
so really, logically the question is kind of self answering.
because all hatred of logic is harmful, and all biggotries are forms of the hatred of logic.

and its also consideration. the hatred of (universal, indiscriminate) consideration is tyranny.

some people seem to think they want that, well i'm not interested in living in the kind of world those who do think they want.
trying to think of a way in which would be not bad, takes some might convoluted mental gymnastics.

if people say its what their god wants, i have to seriously question the goodness of such a god.

[Kowani]

I will admit to being mildly annoyed that I actually made an effort-post for once and had it ignored.

If it's any consolation, I agree to the part about the Jews, having some knowledge about that topic.

That is a consolation, yes.

[Novus America]

[quote="South Acren";p="37111808"Your "Blood is thicker than water and a tribal allegiance is a safer bet than just hanging around random decent people precisely because race is hereditary and permanent." idea is unneeded now adays. We are advanced beyond this, and avoid people for color alone is so backasswards a top would look clearer.

Why are the Jews doing so well with it then?[/quote]

I mean given you used the “ZOG” meme this is probably pointless but Jewish is complicated.
It is actually closer to a cultural over race because you can have very dark or very light skinned Jews, it is not based on external looks.

Also the idea of Judaism as a single tribe is absurd, in fact there are many very different subsets, some doing better than others. American and Israeli Jews have some real divides and differences in opinion, and secular atheist Jews who tend to be left and internationalist vs more religious conservative and nationalist ones. And even there there are tons of complexities.

George Soros for example hates the government of Israel who sided with Orban AGAINST Soros!

Also the Jewish experience is rather unique and do to complex historical circumstances.
Most persecuted minorities do not come out well.

[South Acren]

Why are the Jews doing so well with it then?

Just....just read all the counter arguments you've received and you'd realize you are wrong mate. I just can't read any further without loosing more braincells. Its a religion OP. You are surprised that people of the same religion bond so well. Maybe, if you did your research better you'd know why.

[Briagord]

Guys. Stop feeding the troll.

[West Leas Oros 2]

There is seriously no logical reason to be racist. OP, can you give me one, just ONE reason why racism is at all logical?

[Kowani]

Racism is ridiculous. A bunch of people fighting and killing each other because they have a different skin color? Ultimately, it’s counterproductive and wasteful. It’s also completely arbitrary. Racists hardly ever follow any sort of consistency and their ideas of which races are superior to others is often completely random at best.

Reminds me of when those KKK members started stabbing each-other over who's more racist.

Please tell me this isn’t real.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Guys. Stop feeding the troll.

Tbh bro if you call people with genuine researched opinion troll, no matter how 'bad' they may be, that'll just get them further isolated or radicalised.

[South Acren]

Please tell me this isn’t real.

oh its real, and absolutely hilarious. I can't find the news article but its hilariously stupid.

[Adeulchland]

Racism in itself didn't get human beings killed.

Is this some crappy attempt at semantics-based demagoguery on the level of "people who adhered to racist beliefs killed people, not racism itself", or are you flat-out denying that, say, a large portion of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe were wiped out because a not-so-small group of people thought they were inherently impure/corrupt/tainted/whatever?

Just so we know how we ought to treat you, going forwards.

No, I'm not denying a Holocaust or any other atrocities. Those were actions, and they were extreme actions. Racism by itself is just a concept, an idea, and there is a spectrum like anything else.

And, I don't believe it's wrong to want to keep or celebrate one's genetic heritage or to think one's origin country remains majority of that stock. It is bad to treat others outside of it as inferior. There is a line.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Well, looking at both history, where the racial in groups were neither so strong or so extended as you claim (try asking a plantation owner in the antebellum south what he thought about the poor whites who lived nearby), and the enlightenment principle of universality, where you don’t need the in-group advantage, I’m going to call this a heaping pile of bullshit.

I don't mean race that concretely in the American sense. I also mean smaller groups like the Greeks spoke about.
Class is important too though and so is religion. But just because those things are important doesn't mean race isn't.

I mean, no. A guy from Finland has nothing to do with, say, the Arc d’Triomphe in Paris other than the fact that the architect more or less shared his phenotype. At best, he’ll feel National pride over the War against the Soviet Union, nobody feels pride over the achievements of their race unless they’re deliberately looking for them.

Which is why nobody with a brain is proud of them, they're handed down to you.

Georgia was founded specifically as a buffer to keep the Spanish out of the rich tobacco producing states. The claim that “they basically swept over continents as one in-group” doesn’t really become anywhere near true until at best, Manifest Destiny. But the Americans also spent a significant amount of their time fighting other members of their own race and a Civil War, so again: Your point is ignorant of history.

Anglos had a civil war over whether to free what was at the time farm equipment, big deal. They cooperated where it counts, otherwise everything west of the continental divide would be speaking Spanish.

You do realize that this quote is saying that Germans and the English are the members of the in-group, and the rest of Europe can get fucked

The reason here seems to be “these people look like me.”
Well, that’s rather less enlightening once you cut away the flowery nonsense.

Yes and that's based.

…In-Group preference across Indo-Europeans. The ones who spent most of their history fighting each other and being divided amongst themselves.

Also, most other groups in human history have had the same idea of in-group mentality, the technological advantage was the difference.

I was referring to the Yamnaya and their immediate descendants, not their muttoid rape baby spawn a thousand years down the line that weren't even aware of them.

Perhaps because they’ve been persecuted almost everywhere they go? (And if we want, we can have a nice discussion about medieval Christianity and it’s role on both the persecution of and the selection of Jews for certain societal “roles.” I don’t doubt that racism plays a part for some of the selection, I just don’t think it’s nearly as relevant as you think it is.

When I get kicked out of 109 pubs it isn't entirely the pub. The fact they exist is a testament to their ability to distance themselves from the gentiles.

Well, considering that a gentile Spielberg would have an entirely different upbringing, and be a very different person, it seems as if that would be a bit hard to tell.

Spielberg was completely unqualified for the job. He wouldn't have been considered talent based on his portfolio. He got in.

…You mean after they were almost genocided into oblivion. That fact might be slightly relevant.

It's more than the Irish could manage.

Measuring relative power across time periods is a bit dodgy, no?

Jews basically own the world now so I think it's fair to say they got more powerful.

…You do realize that racial animosity helps prevent people from achieving class-consciousness, right? It’s a major boon to the capitalist economy to have some degree of racism. I think we’ve all heard the joke about the immigrant and the cookie.

Racism as in treating h1b Indians like slaves, maybe, but that involves telling them to pull them up by their bootstraps now, it isn't the 19th century. Class consciousness class schmonciousness. I wish but that shit failed ages ago. The idea that racism benefits capitalism at this point is ridiculous, why else would capitalism be turning itself brown and trying to export itself everywhere? Do you think those are dissidents within the capitalist system being allowed to win? It's a feature, not a bug. Equal-opportunity hell.

Irony. See, the only people who get angry when people speak another language in public are racists (in the modern day). The overwhelming majority of the anti-racism crowd does not care.

Today's "racists" are just civic nationalists with no desire to have an organic connection with their racial kindred. They worship a flag and a tax office and get butthurt when you file your tax returns in moon runes because it's bad for their zionist overlords.

Very much so. Allow me to quote Dr. King: “We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair.”

MLK lol

The media, which consistently stokes up racial animosity?

How? By saying diversity is our strength nonstop?

This needs at least two citations.

Go look at the surnames of CNN executives NOW
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts ... sh-studies
or look at this, pretty funny article

You don’t understand how race works in capitalism, then. (Also, systemic anti-racism isn’t the same thing as systematic racism but in reverse).

Why yes I read settlers, how can you tell?

How is racism even bad?

Scientific illiteracy, getting people killed, delaying the realization of class consciousness...

bro it aint gonna happen lol
it's not 1917
we're fucked, do you understand?

Circular reasoning is circular.

I was strawmanning the anti-racist perspective for rhetorical flair.

For someone so vehemently against capitalism you are a big fan of integrating brown people into capitalism. They clearly aren't agitating for gommunism now that you brought them to America to work for $2 an hour and live in a shoebox

[Atheris]

Autism gang unite!
Also, I’m looking forward to cracking some xeno skulls...provided they’re not leagues ahead of us.
The virgin racism vs the the chad extra-terrestrial xenophobia (although we really should check if they’re friendly first).

I have autism as well, but is there a gang?

I'll text my brother!

[Kowani]

oh its real, and absolutely hilarious. I can't find the news article but its hilariously stupid.

Close enough.

[La Xinga]

Jews basically own the world now so I think it's fair to say they got more powerful.

Jews own the world now? 15 mil, most of them irreligious, own the world? Tell me one way HOW.

[Nu Alaska]

This thread... I'm not really sure what to say. Except no.

I have autism as well, but is there a gang?

I'll text my brother!

I'm on the spectrum as well, so count me in.

[Byeclase]

If it's any consolation, I agree to the part about the Jews, having some knowledge about that topic.

That is a consolation, yes.

Can't expect rationalism from fascists and nazis who only (want to) understand the language of violence and the pseudoconservative cryptofascists of this thread.
Fascism is not to be debated, it is to be combated. -Durruti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwPVjoU5IK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk9cXTELW18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RrWu7oyt-Q

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Jews basically own the world now so I think it's fair to say they got more powerful.

Jews own the world now? 15 mil, most of them irreligious, own the world? Tell me one way HOW.

Despite being 2% of the population they are like half of all US media execs, directors, banking execs, you name it. The Jews are like a modern day aristocracy except it's actually a plutocracy. Rothschilds. It's actually impressive how they did it.

[La Xinga]

Jews own the world now? 15 mil, most of them irreligious, own the world? Tell me one way HOW.

Despite being 2% of the population they are like half of all US media execs, directors, banking execs, you name it. The Jews are like a modern day aristocracy except it's actually a plutocracy

Well, maybe they are qualified? I don't think it's "You're Jewish? Come on in! "

[Roosevetania]

Jews own the world now? 15 mil, most of them irreligious, own the world? Tell me one way HOW.

Despite being 2% of the population they are like half of all US media execs, directors, banking execs, you name it. The Jews are like a modern day aristocracy except it's actually a plutocracy. Rothschilds. It's actually impressive how they did it.

What's the problem with that? Are people less deserving because of their religion?

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Despite being 2% of the population they are like half of all US media execs, directors, banking execs, you name it. The Jews are like a modern day aristocracy except it's actually a plutocracy

Well, maybe they are qualified? I don't think it's "You're Jewish? Come on in! "

How is 2% of the US population going to produce enough big brains to control the media like the Jews do? 2%. The Jews are smart but they aren't super-geniuses. Where's the Indian-American lobby that makes Trump jump when they say frog?

[La Xinga]

Well, maybe they are qualified? I don't think it's "You're Jewish? Come on in! "

How is 2% of the US population going to produce enough big brains to control the media like the Jews do? 2%. The Jews are smart but they aren't super-geniuses. Where's the Indian-American lobby that makes Trump jump when they say frog?

Are you saying that they are hired just because they are Jewish? A-lot of people hate the Jews, just so you know.