Why is racism bad? So capitalism can run smoothly?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Thread title had me expecting bad things to the point I didn't bother reading for a while, but broadly speaking you're correct in the OP. The only answer to these problems and do many others is the destruction of capitalism and a return to locally and regionally based economies in which the movement of foreign goods and people is far more restricted.

What is to be condemned is the vulgar articulation of these impulses and cultural anxieties through attacks on individuals who are only here because the existing order brought them here and lied that it was best for all of us, and those who cynically stir up hostility and make false promises for electoral gain and distract attention from the systemic roots. Hate the game, and the fact that so many of us are being played.

[Agarntrop]

Jesus you're the first person on this site who i've seen openly support racism and racist Ideology. Racism is as effective at furthering the goals of a collective as crime is. In other words, it's not. It only limits our ability to progress as a society and as a species as a whole.

Really? You've never seen Sai? Or Dio?

or drongonia

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Jesus you're the first person on this site who i've seen openly support racism and racist Ideology. Racism is as effective at furthering the goals of a collective as crime is. In other words, it's not. It only limits our ability to progress as a society and as a species as a whole.

Actually, you'd be very surprised! Look into Hezbollah and the drug dealing they do in Latin America to help finance their pro-Shi'ite activities at home in the Middle East. Many anarchists are illegalists too. Breaking the law can be a great thing, depending on how you do it. Just because your public schoolteacher told you you can't shoplift from a predatory multinational supermarket chain or sell the dried leaves of a plant because their employer decided they have a right to use violence against you for it doesn't mean you physically can't or even shouldn't do that.

[Agarntrop]

this is the most brazen thread ive seen on this website.

even more brazen than the one advocating the killing of abortionists

[Agarntrop]

Really? You've never seen Sai? Or Dio?

or drongonia

or camb

[Satuga]

Thread title had me expecting bad things to the point I didn't bother reading for a while, but broadly speaking you're correct in the OP. The only answer to these problems and do many others is the destruction of capitalism and a return to locally and regionally based economies in which the movement of foreign goods and people is far more restricted.

What is to be condemned is the vulgar articulation of these impulses and cultural anxieties through attacks on individuals who are only here because the existing order brought them here and lied that it was best for all of us, and those who cynically stir up hostility and make false promises for electoral gain and distract attention from the systemic roots. Hate the game, and the fact that so many of us are being played.

Yeah no... If anything returning to regionally based economies will make racism even worse, to the point where whole regions will be divided into pretty much factions looking to get one over the other. Bad idea, really bad idea. Capitalism has it's faults but it's the best system we have at the moment, and the only thing that should be done is limiting the amount of power mega corps have over the nation as a whole.

[Satuga]

Jesus you're the first person on this site who i've seen openly support racism and racist Ideology. Racism is as effective at furthering the goals of a collective as crime is. In other words, it's not. It only limits our ability to progress as a society and as a species as a whole.

Actually, you'd be very surprised! Look into Hezbollah and the drug dealing they do in Latin America to help finance their pro-Shi'ite activities at home in the Middle East. Many anarchists are illegalists too. Breaking the law can be a great thing, depending on how you do it. Just because your public schoolteacher told you you can't shoplift from a predatory multinational supermarket chain or sell the dried leaves of a plant because their employer decided they have a right to use violence against you for it doesn't mean you physically can't or even shouldn't do that.

Ah yes surely the Mexican drug cartel is making their country a magnificent place what with all the murders, torturing, and out right warfare against the government. You are actually crazy if you think any of this works or is okay my guy.

[Drongonia]

or drongonia

Are you calling me a racist mate? Steady on.

[Dogmeat]

Jesus you're the first person on this site who i've seen openly support racism and racist Ideology. Racism is as effective at furthering the goals of a collective as crime is. In other words, it's not. It only limits our ability to progress as a society and as a species as a whole.

Actually, you'd be very surprised! Look into Hezbollah and the drug dealing they do in Latin America to help finance their pro-Shi'ite activities at home in the Middle East. Many anarchists are illegalists too. Breaking the law can be a great thing, depending on how you do it. Just because your public schoolteacher told you you can't shoplift from a predatory multinational supermarket chain or sell the dried leaves of a plant because their employer decided they have a right to use violence against you for it doesn't mean you physically can't or even shouldn't do that.

Imagine coming back to this thread, and of all of the posts arrayed against you, deciding to go with this one to argue, "actually crime can be GREAT!"

Sad.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Thread title had me expecting bad things to the point I didn't bother reading for a while, but broadly speaking you're correct in the OP. The only answer to these problems and do many others is the destruction of capitalism and a return to locally and regionally based economies in which the movement of foreign goods and people is far more restricted.

What is to be condemned is the vulgar articulation of these impulses and cultural anxieties through attacks on individuals who are only here because the existing order brought them here and lied that it was best for all of us, and those who cynically stir up hostility and make false promises for electoral gain and distract attention from the systemic roots. Hate the game, and the fact that so many of us are being played.

This is definitely true. On one hand GO HOME GO HOME GO HOME, but on the other hand you can't really blame them, porky brought them here to lower the wages he has to pay, and considering the choice was between managing dominos or working in a sweatshop it's hard to blame the immigrants themselves. The west lets everyone in because it's a marketplace.

If only there was a way to channel white bydlo assaulting migrants into something actually effective and revolutionary (not assaulting them, actually doing something valuable).

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Actually, you'd be very surprised! Look into Hezbollah and the drug dealing they do in Latin America to help finance their pro-Shi'ite activities at home in the Middle East. Many anarchists are illegalists too. Breaking the law can be a great thing, depending on how you do it. Just because your public schoolteacher told you you can't shoplift from a predatory multinational supermarket chain or sell the dried leaves of a plant because their employer decided they have a right to use violence against you for it doesn't mean you physically can't or even shouldn't do that.

Imagine coming back to this thread, and of all of the posts arrayed against you, deciding to go with this one to argue, "actually crime can be GREAT!"

Sad.

All the posts arrayed against me are more or less the same. "genocide", "somebody hung someone in 1920 in Arkansas", "bashings". Yeah okay, whatever, the people jumping Indians and taking their wallets would just jump yuppies if the Indians were gone. Most people are retards. Genocide? Why is it worse than any other atrocity committed in war involving the deaths of large numbers of people, does it being ethnically-motivated somehow make it worse than carpet-bombing a city otherwise? Like half the genocides of history are just inter-ethnic conflict, the holocaust was just attacking a fifth column that controlled the state machinery over in Russia and Rwanda was a struggle against the Tutsis who'd been given everything by the Belgians before they left. Why is genocide so special and so awful that the genocide of some Jews or Poles or Africans 10,000 kilometres away means I'm not allowed to have ingroup preference and need to be an atomised worker unit? If we evaluate the pros and cons of either option, I think being a beige Zuckerberg slave for eternity might actually be worse than the occasional interethnic rumble (not that either is fantastic).

Also the Hezbollah are cool.

[Agarntrop]

or drongonia

Are you calling me a racist mate? Steady on.

Well, some racially-related things you have said on here are a bit uh

unorthodox, to be polite

not just now on the democracy thread, but ive known of you for a while and some of the things you said were a bit that way to be quite fair

[-Astoria]

Really? You've never seen Sai? Or Dio?

or drongonia

I'm not so sure about that.

[Drongonia]

Well, some racially-related things you have said on here are a bit uh... unorthodox, to be polite

Interesting...

not just now on the democracy thread

Remarking on the changing demographics of a city from a purely statistical POV while mentioning there's no animosity = racist. Cool, cool. I didn't even say the change was bad by the way.

but ive known of you for a while and some of the things you said were a bit that way to be quite fair

I would legitimately like to see some examples. Maybe via TGs if you really want to.

[Agarntrop]

I misinterpreted you. I apologise.

[Philjia]

The arbitrary promotion of the interests of some groups at the expense of other groups will lead to suffering in the excluded groups, which could also lead to retaliatory violence from the excluded groups. Additionally, even if economies become more localised it will still be necessary for both people and goods between areas, which racism can form a barrier to, and result in the exploitation or unfair treatment of some areas. Racism is both immoral and inefficient in any economy not based on slavery, and particularly in ones which totally reject systematic exploitation.

[Slavakino]

Just to clarify, racism isn't a crime and it should not be one. But nor should it be in a way a law, it should be guaranteed as a form of freedom of speech. Something like death threats that's too far however

[New yugoslavaia]

Imagine coming back to this thread, and of all of the posts arrayed against you, deciding to go with this one to argue, "actually crime can be GREAT!"

Sad.

All the posts arrayed against me are more or less the same. "genocide", "somebody hung someone in 1920 in Arkansas", "bashings". Yeah okay, whatever, the people jumping Indians and taking their wallets would just jump yuppies if the Indians were gone. Most people are retards. Genocide? Why is it worse than any other atrocity committed in war involving the deaths of large numbers of people, does it being ethnically-motivated somehow make it worse than carpet-bombing a city otherwise? Like half the genocides of history are just inter-ethnic conflict, the holocaust was just attacking a fifth column that controlled the state machinery over in Russia and Rwanda was a struggle against the Tutsis who'd been given everything by the Belgians before they left. Why is genocide so special and so awful that the genocide of some Jews or Poles or Africans 10,000 kilometres away means I'm not allowed to have ingroup preference and need to be an atomised worker unit? If we evaluate the pros and cons of either option, I think being a beige Zuckerberg slave for eternity might actually be worse than the occasional interethnic rumble (not that either is fantastic).

Also the Hezbollah are cool.

Hey OP, I've been meaning to ask you something. Why don't we replace the capitalist governments with left wing ones? What's your thoughts on that?

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

This has been entertaining.

It's uncomfortable but I was expecting some well-grounded counter to all of this which has so far been difficult to find.

All I have to give is an applause to Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania, really clever how some left-wing beliefs got put into a juxtaposition as to make them in favour of racial bias.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

All the posts arrayed against me are more or less the same. "genocide", "somebody hung someone in 1920 in Arkansas", "bashings". Yeah okay, whatever, the people jumping Indians and taking their wallets would just jump yuppies if the Indians were gone. Most people are retards. Genocide? Why is it worse than any other atrocity committed in war involving the deaths of large numbers of people, does it being ethnically-motivated somehow make it worse than carpet-bombing a city otherwise? Like half the genocides of history are just inter-ethnic conflict, the holocaust was just attacking a fifth column that controlled the state machinery over in Russia and Rwanda was a struggle against the Tutsis who'd been given everything by the Belgians before they left. Why is genocide so special and so awful that the genocide of some Jews or Poles or Africans 10,000 kilometres away means I'm not allowed to have ingroup preference and need to be an atomised worker unit? If we evaluate the pros and cons of either option, I think being a beige Zuckerberg slave for eternity might actually be worse than the occasional interethnic rumble (not that either is fantastic).

Also the Hezbollah are cool.

Hey OP, I've been meaning to ask you something. Why don't we replace the capitalist governments with left wing ones? What's your thoughts on that?

As long as the commissars aren't Jewish this time that'd be awesome. Fuck capitalism.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is going to be any solution like that at this point. I wish there was. At this point we should probably just hope shit hits the fan from resource shortages or something.
Did you know that in Australia, the proponents of the White Australia policy were actually the very leftist Labor Party and the trade unionist movement who wanted to keep cheap non-white labour out for the exact reasons described in this OP? We had an actual socialist who wrote a book about a race war, and who founded a socialist settlement in Paraguay banning mixing with the locals.

[New yugoslavaia]

Hey OP, I've been meaning to ask you something. Why don't we replace the capitalist governments with left wing ones? What's your thoughts on that?

As long as the commissars aren't Jewish this time that'd be awesome. Fuck capitalism.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is going to be any solution like that at this point. I wish there was.

What's wrong with the Jews?

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

As long as the commissars aren't Jewish this time that'd be awesome. Fuck capitalism.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is going to be any solution like that at this point. I wish there was.

What's wrong with the Jews?

The interests of an ethnic diaspora who have had to be on the lookout for the majority turning against them for 2000 years are not the same as the interests of the majority, who may or may not want to turn on the diaspora but who certainly shouldn't be defanged by manipulation of their economic, political and media apparatuses in a way that exclusively benefits the diaspora. Look at America today - people love the Jews mostly, but the Jews still feel the urge to aggressively agitate for increasingly making America even more of a hodge-podge country where they can more easily blend in and not get unified opposition from any angry majority than it already is. The Kochs and the Bezos's of America happily oblige, they wanted the labour anyway, but the agitation doesn't help and neither does putting a subversive diaspora in charge of a revolutionary state.

People like Trotsky were butchers lashing out against not just the Tsarist status quo but also the Christian, European gentiles that had lived under it.

[Negev Chan]

Hey OP, I've been meaning to ask you something. Why don't we replace the capitalist governments with left wing ones? What's your thoughts on that?

As long as the commissars aren't Jewish this time that'd be awesome. Fuck capitalism.

Nazbol Gang baby.

[-Astoria]

Did you know that in Australia, the proponents of the White Australia policy were actually the very leftist Labor Party and the trade unionist movement

The man who started it wasn't part of Labo[u]r; indeed, the party in which he belonged would become Liberal - also;

The legal end of the White Australia policy is usually placed in the year 1973, when the Whitlam Labor government implemented a series of amendments preventing the enforcement of racial aspects of the immigration law.[35] These amendments:

Legislated that all migrants, regardless of origin, be eligible to obtain citizenship after three years of permanent residence.
Ratified all international agreements relating to immigration and race.
Issued policy to totally disregard race as a factor in selecting migrants.
The 1975 Racial Discrimination Act made the use of racial criteria for any official purpose illegal.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Did you know that in Australia, the proponents of the White Australia policy were actually the very leftist Labor Party and the trade unionist movement

The man who started it wasn't part of Labo[u]r; indeed, the party in which he belonged would become Liberal - also;

The legal end of the White Australia policy is usually placed in the year 1973, when the Whitlam Labor government implemented a series of amendments preventing the enforcement of racial aspects of the immigration law.[35] These amendments:

Legislated that all migrants, regardless of origin, be eligible to obtain citizenship after three years of permanent residence.
Ratified all international agreements relating to immigration and race.
Issued policy to totally disregard race as a factor in selecting migrants.
The 1975 Racial Discrimination Act made the use of racial criteria for any official purpose illegal.

Everyone had wanted it for years before federation, the practice of bringing in labourers from the Solomon Islands and New Caledonia to work in Queensland had been pissing people off majorly for ages. Gough Whitlam was a much different breed of Labor politician from the ones who were calling the shots in 1900. Trade Unionists were at the forefront of advocating to keep Australia white.
Hell, even Jack Lang was a white nationalist by today's standards.