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In the middle of completing my online classwork, I came across a youtube channel having a broadcast of an antique former radio channel I occasionally come across on the local christian radio channel. It's called The Quiet Time and by what little information I could find, it was running from the early 60s to maybe the 80s and is rarely broadcast today once a week on niche channels, most times skipped over if lucky. The fatherly voice of Albert H. Salter strikes an uncanny nostalgia from deep within me, for things which I have never experienced in an otherwise unstable and broken life, with a lack of faithfulness. Some of his words strike a chord with me. Back in the 60s or 70s, he mentions that "now is the time that we need a quiet place for God in these uncertain times" on a different broadcast and it rings almost ironically prophetic with today's situation.

But what is today's situation?

We've advanced so far in technology that the childhoods of our youth will never be the same. We are increasingly addicted to technology. Parents are either too afraid to let their kids out of the house, or to careless that they let the kids that do have freedom create trouble. Television shows and even toys are being bombarded by increasingly radicalized generations. This is apparent if you study the shift of cartoons over the past ten years /alone/. We have virtual propaganda shoved down our throats at every chance possible. I'm all for LGBT rights and ethnic representation, but it's gotten to the point where straight white people are not only guilt-tripped, but demonized by the media. This is coming from a gay male, so stop your typing. There's a difference from the respectful representation of Steven Universe to the LGBT community than many other shows. Boys who like football can't be boys and girls who like barbies can't be girls. I used to think the "common sense" ads were just to stop me from having fun on my computer as a kid but now they make me genuinely scared for my younger friends.

Pornography has gripped the entire youth of our nation, and made a vast majority of said generation-- me included-- addicts. There is no possible solution apart from prohibition for everyone to get rid of this problem. A checkbox does nothing. Credit cards can be stolen and read off of. It is the job of the parents, churches, or educational system to provide sex ed, not a nineteen year old "model". Again, before you send a rebuttal, your older brother's magazines have /nothing/ on the sheer scale of this complete brainwashing of our youth. I've seen kids in *elementary* school blabbering about vulgar things-- I've been one of those kids. It's clear that the parents don't care to respectfully educate their youth or at least check their phones every once in a while. I used to think the "common sense" ads were just to stop me from having fun on my computer as a kid but now they make me genuinely scared for my younger friends.

This generation seems to pride itself in dressing, talking, and acting like gangsters. Dresses and suits as per retro fashion now have the potential to have a negative connotation with being a bigot. Source? Mormon fashion and the negative stigma of the "tradwife" community. You're a sexist if you think women should wear long dresses, EVEN IF YOU THINK that men need to cover themselves up as well to avoid a double-standard.

The traditional family is a minority. Again, I am a gay man and I certainly press for rights for all people, but I also recognize the need for traditional nuclear families-- gay or straight. Having come from a relatively broken family, I will defend to the grave that people need two parental figures in their life, a strong family bond, a non-abusive relationship, and SOME semblance of traditional roles.

Organized and institutionalized religion is constantly and mercilessly attacked. I personally believe that church and state should be together for moral reasons, but even I understand this is a fringe belief so I'll refrain from addressing that directly. If you need sources, look at all the scandals about public prayers in school being shut down, religious clubs in public schools being looked down upon, some rules against bringing scripture even for personal reading, and the sheer fact that the president himself has to push for our right to express our religious beliefs in schools. A teacher pushing creationism is NOT the same as a faithful teacher leading a prayer of consenting faithful students, allowing an opt out. If we were to ban something obscure like missionaries coming to school, why not ban army recruiters because someone from an anti-war family might get offended that their son or daughter has to be in the presence of people wanting their blood to spill for their country? There was also a "what would you do" video about a woman chastising a family publicly praying in a restaurant. (It's still on YT so feel free to search it up for source). As we all know with that television show, it's based on real events. So, we can only assume saying grace in a public place is frowned upon by some people.

Imagine this. It's the year 2275, and we have super high-tech flying cars. All buildings, even in rural areas are neon-lit skyscrapers. Morality and religion are all but out the door, and the culture is unrecognizable from 2020, let alone 1980. If our view on society has evolved so much in 50 years, imagine what it could do in 255. We likely have colonies on the moon, mars, and venus at this point. You dig out your late great-grandfather's radio and plug it in to your antique houses' outlet, and you hear the ending to the broadcast I attached. Not even the entire thing, but the last 1-2 minutes. What would you feel knowing how radically everything has changed: Betrayed by society? A deep nostalgia for a simpler time of hard work and relative stability? A bitterness for the generation you live in? A longing for grandma's apple pie and the milkman and the old "realistic" toy guns?

This is what brings me to the discussion point. Are we changing too fast? Before you call me hateful or [insert political belief] despite me obviously not being the majority, I'd like to remind you that you aren't the one that is having your entire livelihood being snatched from you. If you in 2020 were thrown into this cyberpunk-like future, would you feel the same as our elders do today? What aspects of traditionalism should we retain? What should we abandon? Should we just revert to the ideals of the United States constitution or the founding ideals of your home country altogether? Are you just sad because the old radio broadcast and prayer sounded pretty, or are you angry at me for daring to speak my mind in this radicalized society, especially in NSG?

Speak now, because you may never get to in a couple of years.

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It’s all the turmoil we’re going through. We have a tendency to look towards a past that seemingly was better when we’re experiencing a rough time. I’ve found myself watching shows or musical acts of when I was a little girl, dreaming with or perceiving that time as “better”. Nostalgia can do that to us at times, more so in a present world that, as “connected” as we think it is, is actually uncertain.

It's easy to look at the past through rose colored glasses when you aren't there.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It’s all the turmoil we’re going through. We have a tendency to look towards a past that seemingly was better when we’re experiencing a rough time. I’ve found myself watching shows or musical acts of when I was a little girl, dreaming with or perceiving that time as “better”. Nostalgia can do that to us at times, more so in a present world that, as “connected” as we think it is, is actually uncertain.

A past without great turmoil is simpler and thus appreciated more. It's no doubt that the culture we're in has changed exponentially over a short period of time, frightening people who are used to stability. I personally see some aspects of this new society good, but the majority of it has snowballed into an uncontrollable net negative. Instead of cancelling what used to be normal in a mob mentality only comparable to "the crucible", why not combine aspects of old and new to make a *better* tradition? For instance, recognizing gay relationships as normal or recognizing equality while not giving up dress standards or blatantly attacking organizations that have different views on marriage? The cliff we're looking down from is steep, and that's caused animosity between political beliefs, generations, religions, and much more.

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It’s all the turmoil we’re going through. We have a tendency to look towards a past that seemingly was better when we’re experiencing a rough time. I’ve found myself watching shows or musical acts of when I was a little girl, dreaming with or perceiving that time as “better”. Nostalgia can do that to us at times, more so in a present world that, as “connected” as we think it is, is actually uncertain.

A past without great turmoil is simpler and thus appreciated more. It's no doubt that the culture we're in has changed exponentially over a short period of time, frightening people who are used to stability. I personally see some aspects of this new society good, but the majority of it has snowballed into an uncontrollable net negative. Instead of cancelling what used to be normal in a mob mentality only comparable to "the crucible", why not combine aspects of old and new to make a *better* tradition? For instance, recognizing gay relationships as normal or recognizing equality while not giving up dress standards or blatantly attacking organizations that have different views on marriage? The cliff we're looking down from is steep, and that's caused animosity between political beliefs, generations, religions, and much more.

A world in turmoil. Honestly, after we get through this pandemic (and we will), some serious social changes are required. On both sides. Or every side.

Rojava Free State wrote:It's easy to look at the past through rose colored glasses when you aren't there.

It's a weird thing for me. I was raised in a broken and somewhat abusive family that hadn't even the slightest semblance of tradition while all of my extended relatives were elderly, god-fearing and benevolent people. I've seen both, which is why I converted into the LDS church almost a year ago rather than continuing down a path of immodesty. We have changed, and people will disagree if it is for the better or not. I do believe that some old values need to go, but we've really abandoned everything rather than be selective with who we should become.

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It’s all the turmoil we’re going through. We have a tendency to look towards a past that seemingly was better when we’re experiencing a rough time. I’ve found myself watching shows or musical acts of when I was a little girl, dreaming with or perceiving that time as “better”. Nostalgia can do that to us at times, more so in a present world that, as “connected” as we think it is, is actually uncertain.

A past without great turmoil is simpler and thus appreciated more. It's no doubt that the culture we're in has changed exponentially over a short period of time, frightening people who are used to stability. I personally see some aspects of this new society good, but the majority of it has snowballed into an uncontrollable net negative. Instead of cancelling what used to be normal in a mob mentality only comparable to "the crucible", why not combine aspects of old and new to make a *better* tradition? For instance, recognizing gay relationships as normal or recognizing equality while not giving up dress standards or blatantly attacking organizations that have different views on marriage? The cliff we're looking down from is steep, and that's caused animosity between political beliefs, generations, religions, and much more.

If it makes you feel better, this society will probably be dead by 2100 from the climate crisis and resource exhaustion, and we all know that online porn can't exist in a world without electricity.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:
A past without great turmoil is simpler and thus appreciated more. It's no doubt that the culture we're in has changed exponentially over a short period of time, frightening people who are used to stability. I personally see some aspects of this new society good, but the majority of it has snowballed into an uncontrollable net negative. Instead of cancelling what used to be normal in a mob mentality only comparable to "the crucible", why not combine aspects of old and new to make a *better* tradition? For instance, recognizing gay relationships as normal or recognizing equality while not giving up dress standards or blatantly attacking organizations that have different views on marriage? The cliff we're looking down from is steep, and that's caused animosity between political beliefs, generations, religions, and much more.

A world in turmoil. Honestly, after we get through this pandemic (and we will), some serious social changes are required. On both sides. Or every side.

For one, we need to get rid of that megachurch pastor making grandma go outside-

No, but on a serious note, I definitely agree with you. American values, even if imperfect and looked at with rose-colored glasses- are being increasingly forgotten. I won't deny the horrible things minority groups had to go through in the 50s, but I also recognize the benefits of a godly, productive, and orderly society with a culture of simplicity, hands on experience, and modest honesty. Which is why I do suggest combining those values to keep this country united and afloat.

I really don't think you can fairly criticize the modern departure from traditional ethics when your religion is one founded less than 200 years ago which perverted Christianity beyond recognition in order to provide Joseph Smith with power and sex.

But anyway, we are moving too quickly in some respects and too slowly in others. The equalization of women, disabled people, people of color, non-Christians, and LGBT people with SAWCASMs and the destruction of capitalism are moving at a snail's pace when they should be happening at light speed. However, our society has swung too fast in the other direction with regards to sexual morality -- it was never truly the case that long-term relationships were typically built on love, having been exchanged for power and wealth throughout human history, but many people nowadays have simply thrown the baby out with the bathwater and do not aim for loving long-term relationships in the slightest. This is in part for logistical reasons, as it's increasingly difficult to find and keep real-life partners in this increasingly globalized and technologically dependent yet deeply isolated world, wherein people have to move around constantly and sexual decadence is available at the tap of a button.* I don't blame people who engage in the latter or prefer casual, non-committed sex because of the former; the fault lies not at the individual, but at our society for creating a system in which this often must occur. All of this is likely a moot point, though, because the apocalypse is almost certainly going to occur within the next century.

I'm in a really good mood today, can't you tell?

*Don't take this to mean I believe in the "porn addiction" bullshit, however.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:
A past without great turmoil is simpler and thus appreciated more. It's no doubt that the culture we're in has changed exponentially over a short period of time, frightening people who are used to stability. I personally see some aspects of this new society good, but the majority of it has snowballed into an uncontrollable net negative. Instead of cancelling what used to be normal in a mob mentality only comparable to "the crucible", why not combine aspects of old and new to make a *better* tradition? For instance, recognizing gay relationships as normal or recognizing equality while not giving up dress standards or blatantly attacking organizations that have different views on marriage? The cliff we're looking down from is steep, and that's caused animosity between political beliefs, generations, religions, and much more.

If it makes you feel better, this society will probably be dead by 2100 from the climate crisis and resource exhaustion, and we all know that online porn can't exist in a world without electricity.

After seeing some emotional commercials, I really don't want to live in a society that kills off polar bears for industry. That is why I agree with the fact that serious changes are needed on both sides.

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
A world in turmoil. Honestly, after we get through this pandemic (and we will), some serious social changes are required. On both sides. Or every side.

For one, we need to get rid of that megachurch pastor making grandma go outside-

No, but on a serious note, I definitely agree with you. American values, even if imperfect and looked at with rose-colored glasses- are being increasingly forgotten. I won't deny the horrible things minority groups had to go through in the 50s, but I also recognize the benefits of a godly, productive, and orderly society with a culture of simplicity, hands on experience, and modest honesty. Which is why I do suggest combining those values to keep this country united and afloat.

Our views on modesty differ but... I agree that things are in turmoil and it’s understandable when some seek to “relive” a past they now view as “simpler” or “better”, because of present turmoil. The truth is that that past may not have been better or simpler, it’s just it isn’t our “now”.

When is the time you consider a better, simpler time? I think it's the early 2010s.

Cekoviu wrote:I really don't think you can fairly criticize the modern departure from traditional ethics when your religion is one founded less than 200 years ago which perverted Christianity beyond recognition in order to provide Joseph Smith with power and sex.

But anyway, we are moving too quickly in some respects and too slowly in others. The equalization of women, disabled people, people of color, non-Christians, and LGBT people with SAWCASMs and the destruction of capitalism are moving at a snail's pace when they should be happening at light speed. However, our society has swung too fast in the other direction with regards to sexual morality -- it was never truly the case that long-term relationships were typically built on love, having been exchanged for power and wealth throughout human history, but many people nowadays have simply thrown the baby out with the bathwater and do not aim for loving long-term relationships in the slightest. This is in part for logistical reasons, as it's increasingly difficult to find and keep real-life partners in this increasingly globalized and technologically dependent yet deeply isolated world, wherein people have to move around constantly and sexual decadence is available at the tap of a button.* I don't blame people who engage in the latter or prefer casual, non-committed sex because of the former; the fault lies not at the individual, but at our society for creating a system in which this often must occur. All of this is likely a moot point, though, because the apocalypse is almost certainly going to occur within the next century.

I'm in a really good mood today, can't you tell?

*Don't take this to mean I believe in the "porn addiction" bullshit, however.

I mean, I say these things from a standpoint where this religion that is 'so different" is ironically the last bastion of these values in America that don't belong to a neo-nazi political party.

I agree with your points, but I've been almost pushed to tears hearing this radio broadcast, knowing that society has no cares for stability or the voice of the few, muting groups if need be to swing towards a society of convenience and false equality. LGBT pride is not solidarity if gay people bash other gays who don't believe in same sex marriage or celibacy. Racial equality is not equality if only african-americans can say the N word rather than banning it for everyone. Religious unity is not unity if there is a constant subtle supremacy between catholics and jews and pagans and what haved you.

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:In the middle of completing my online classwork, I came across a youtube channel having a broadcast of an antique former radio channel I occasionally come across on the local christian radio channel. It's called The Quiet Time and by what little information I could find, it was running from the early 60s to maybe the 80s and is rarely broadcast today once a week on niche channels, most times skipped over if lucky. The fatherly voice of Albert H. Salter strikes an uncanny nostalgia from deep within me, for things which I have never experienced in an otherwise unstable and broken life, with a lack of faithfulness. Some of his words strike a chord with me. Back in the 60s or 70s, he mentions that "now is the time that we need a quiet place for God in these uncertain times" on a different broadcast and it rings almost ironically prophetic with today's situation.

But what is today's situation?

We've advanced so far in technology that the childhoods of our youth will never be the same. We are increasingly addicted to technology. Parents are either too afraid to let their kids out of the house, or to careless that they let the kids that do have freedom create trouble. Television shows and even toys are being bombarded by increasingly radicalized generations.

What do you mean by "radicalized generations?"

This is apparent if you study the shift of cartoons over the past ten years /alone/. We have virtual propaganda shoved down our throats at every chance possible.[
I'm all for LGBT rights and ethnic representation, but it's gotten to the point where straight white people are not only guilt-tripped, but demonized by the media.

Media such as? I'm struggling to think of cartoons that do such.

This is coming from a gay male, so stop your typing.

As long as we're playing this game, hi, transbian here.

There's a difference from the respectful representation of Steven Universe to the LGBT community than many other shows. Boys who like football can't be boys and girls who like barbies can't be girls.

Says who?

I used to think the "common sense" ads were just to stop me from having fun on my computer as a kid but now they make me genuinely scared for my younger friends.

The what?

Pornography has gripped the entire youth of our nation, and made a vast majority of said generation-- me included-- addicts. There is no possible solution apart from prohibition for everyone to get rid of this problem. A checkbox does nothing. Credit cards can be stolen and read off of. It is the job of the parents, churches, or educational system to provide sex ed, not a nineteen year old "model". Again, before you send a rebuttal, your older brother's magazines have /nothing/ on the sheer scale of this complete brainwashing of our youth. I've seen kids in *elementary* school blabbering about vulgar things-- I've been one of those kids. It's clear that the parents don't care to respectfully educate their youth or at least check their phones every once in a while.

This generation seems to pride itself in dressing, talking, and acting like gangsters. Dresses and suits as per retro fashion now have the potential to have a negative connotation with being a bigot. Source? Mormon fashion and the negative stigma of the "tradwife" community.

That's... not a source.

You're a sexist if you think women should wear long dresses, EVEN IF YOU THINK that men need to cover themselves up as well to avoid a double-standard.

Well, yeah. I'd say you are. Saying they "should" wear them is a different statement entirely from "wear whatever you want, be it a miniskirt or a floor-length gown."

The traditional family is a minority. Again, I am a gay man and I certainly press for rights for all people, but I also recognize the need for traditional nuclear families-- gay or straight. Having come from a relatively broken family, I will defend to the grave that people need two parental figures in their life, a strong family bond, a non-abusive relationship, and SOME semblance of traditional roles.

What exactly do you mean by "traditional roles?" And being part of a nuclear family does not guarantee strong familial bonds and non-abusive households.

Organized and institutionalized religion is constantly and mercilessly attacked. I personally believe that church and state should be together for moral reasons,

No. The state should not endorse and give precedence to any religion, and the best way to do that is to keep them as far away from each other as possible.

but even I understand this is a fringe belief so I'll refrain from addressing that directly. If you need sources, look at all the scandals about public prayers in school being shut down, religious clubs in public schools being looked down upon, some rules against bringing scripture even for personal reading, and the sheer fact that the president himself has to push for our right to express our religious beliefs in schools.

Again, that's not what a source is.

A teacher pushing creationism is NOT the same as a faithful teacher leading a prayer of consenting faithful students, allowing an opt out.

I would rather a teacher who is being paid by the government to teach not create such a peer-pressure-laden environment, and y'know, take time out of the day to not teach.

If we were to ban something obscure like missionaries coming to school, why not ban army recruiters because someone from an anti-war family might get offended that their son or daughter has to be in the presence of people wanting their blood to spill for their country?

This but unironically.

There was also a "what would you do" video about a woman chastising a family publicly praying in a restaurant. (It's still on YT so feel free to search it up for source). As we all know with that television show, it's based on real events. So, we can only assume saying grace in a public place is frowned upon by some people.

Eh, sounds like an asshat thing to do I'll admit. People should mind their own business, but that goes along with what I've said above.

Imagine this. It's the year 2275, and we have super high-tech flying cars. All buildings, even in rural areas are neon-lit skyscrapers.

Press X to doubt.

Morality and religion are all but out the door,

Why would morality be out the door?

and the culture is unrecognizable from 2020, let alone 1980. If our view on society has evolved so much in 50 years, imagine what it could do in 255. We likely have colonies on the moon, mars, and venus at this point. You dig out your late great-grandfather's radio and plug it in to your antique houses' outlet, and you hear the ending to the broadcast I attached. Not even the entire thing, but the last 1-2 minutes. What would you feel knowing how radically everything has changed: Betrayed by society? A deep nostalgia for a simpler time of hard work and relative stability? A bitterness for the generation you live in? A longing for grandma's apple pie and the milkman and the old "realistic" toy guns?

I'm still confused as to why milkmen were a thing in the first place.

This is what brings me to the discussion point. Are we changing too fast? Before you call me hateful or [insert political belief] despite me obviously not being the majority, I'd like to remind you that you aren't the one that is having your entire livelihood being snatched from you. If you in 2020 were thrown into this cyberpunk-like future, would you feel the same as our elders do today? What aspects of traditionalism should we retain? What should we abandon? Should we just revert to the ideals of the United States constitution or the founding ideals of your home country altogether? Are you just sad because the old radio broadcast and prayer sounded pretty, or are you angry at me for daring to speak my mind in this radicalized society, especially in NSG?

Speak now, because you may never get to in a couple of years.

There's merit in some traditions, but tradition for tradition's sake is just peer pressure from the dead.

Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:When is the time you consider a better, simpler time? I think it's the early 2010s.

I think it's hard to tell, racism and political paranoia aside. I believe that if any given time was just equal for everybody, integrated, and not hateful-- it would have been prosperous. I have small town values, and am inclined towards anywhere from the 60s to the early 2000's. I say 2000's as latest because back then, at least we as a society were united, TV's were nostalgically fuzzy, and we retained SOME form of christian and watered down republican values while also having a mere taste of the technology and potential.

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:I really don't think you can fairly criticize the modern departure from traditional ethics when your religion is one founded less than 200 years ago which perverted Christianity beyond recognition in order to provide Joseph Smith with power and sex.

But anyway, we are moving too quickly in some respects and too slowly in others. The equalization of women, disabled people, people of color, non-Christians, and LGBT people with SAWCASMs and the destruction of capitalism are moving at a snail's pace when they should be happening at light speed. However, our society has swung too fast in the other direction with regards to sexual morality -- it was never truly the case that long-term relationships were typically built on love, having been exchanged for power and wealth throughout human history, but many people nowadays have simply thrown the baby out with the bathwater and do not aim for loving long-term relationships in the slightest. This is in part for logistical reasons, as it's increasingly difficult to find and keep real-life partners in this increasingly globalized and technologically dependent yet deeply isolated world, wherein people have to move around constantly and sexual decadence is available at the tap of a button.* I don't blame people who engage in the latter or prefer casual, non-committed sex because of the former; the fault lies not at the individual, but at our society for creating a system in which this often must occur. All of this is likely a moot point, though, because the apocalypse is almost certainly going to occur within the next century.

I'm in a really good mood today, can't you tell?

*Don't take this to mean I believe in the "porn addiction" bullshit, however.

I mean, I say these things from a standpoint where this religion that is 'so different" is ironically the last bastion of these values in America that don't belong to a neo-nazi political party.

I mean, that's total bullshit, but okay.

LGBT pride is not solidarity if gay people bash other gays who don't believe in same sex marriage or celibacy.

They're fucking over other gay people on the basis of nonsensical self-harming ideas; it's pretty warranted to be mad at them for doing so. It's totally absurd to claim to promote morality and traditional families and also oppose a policy (gay marriage) that would create more marriages and thereby more traditional(-ish) family units.

Racial equality is not equality if only african-americans can say the N word rather than banning it for everyone.

I guess this is a weird opinion, but we shouldn't ban specific words at all for any race?

If you think any time in the past was without turmoil, you're woefully naive. And f*ck "tradition".

No. We're sensibly abandoning tradition.

Sadakoyama wrote:If you think any time in the past was without turmoil, you're woefully naive. And f*ck "tradition".

I definitely think the past has turmoil, but simultaneously merits that aren't common today. There were problems that I am grateful are solved, and there are new problems that should be solved.

Neanderthaland wrote:No. We're sensibly abandoning tradition.

Where do you draw the line at sensible?

Sadakoyama wrote:If you think any time in the past was without turmoil, you're woefully naive. And f*ck "tradition".

Eh, aside from the “fuck” I can admit that there are indeed traditions not worth keeping. If they’re harmful to society’s progress, then yeah, smash them.

But it’s not uncommon for some people to look at the past with nostalgia when the present time blows. Even if that past wasn’t truly better. It’s just a form of escapism, at least that’s how I see it.

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:

Neanderthaland wrote:No. We're sensibly abandoning tradition.

Where do you draw the line at sensible?

"Is there a good reason for doing this thing, beyond peer pressure from dead people?"

Neanderthaland wrote:

Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:
Where do you draw the line at sensible?

"Is there a good reason for doing this thing, beyond peer pressure from dead people?"

You're a dead person (your entire subspecies is extinct, actually) and you're kind of peer pressuring us to not follow traditions, so...

Cekoviu wrote:

Neanderthaland wrote:"Is there a good reason for doing this thing, beyond peer pressure from dead people?"

You're a dead person (your entire subspecies is extinct, actually) and you're kind of peer pressuring us to not follow traditions, so...

I assure you, I am alive in ~2% of all of you.

Cekoviu wrote:

Neanderthaland wrote:"Is there a good reason for doing this thing, beyond peer pressure from dead people?"

You're a dead person (your entire subspecies is extinct, actually) and you're kind of peer pressuring us to not follow traditions, so...

But must you be so brutal to Ug?!