Next nation to leave the European union

[Risottia]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

[New haven america]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

Because the US wants to keep spending billions to pay for countries that don't want to protect themselves?

Believe it or not, but making Europe pay for it's own defense is actually a pretty bi-partisan issue in the US.

[Loben The 2nd]

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

Because the US wants to keep spending billions to pay for countries that don't want to protect themselves?

Believe it or not, but making Europe pay for it's own defense is actually a pretty bi-partisan issue in the US.

That’s always an option.

[Loben The 2nd]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

I’m sorry whose fault is it that Europe is divided up into nations in the first place?

[Albrenia]

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

I’m sorry whose fault is it that Europe is divided up into nations in the first place?

People long dead, and the people resisting kneeling before the ultimate will of the NWO I guess.

[Loben The 2nd]

I’m sorry whose fault is it that Europe is divided up into nations in the first place?

People long dead, and the people resisting kneeling before the ultimate will of the NWO I guess.

I guess all the nationalists from the 19th century were in America’s pocket.

[Novus America]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

Except not. We did not have pretty much any say in Europe until 1945 (the Europeans basically ignored Wilson after WWI) and we supported the reunification of Germany unlike several others European countries. I mean the blame the US for all your problems is a common European pastime amongst certain political persuasions but it is false. Your problems are your own doing.

And if you want Europe to be united it is not us stopping it, just that all of Europe does not want it, plus the language, cultural, political and policy divides. How exactly is European Russia going to join?

Even before the UK the EU had already fallen behind the US economically because the US has faster economic growth anyways.

[Betoni]

So the EU is and has been plagued with these huge, as you call them, internal conflicts and has done a poor job of managing them despite still going strong?



You know there is really nothing stopping the US from taking their troops etc. home from Europe. It can hardly be the EU's fault that the US has to pay for its own troops that they choose to deploy of their own will.

I would not exactly say it is going strong considering the challenges it is facing and how it punches way BELOW its weight in international relations, relative to its population and economic size, although given its poor economic growth it cannot keep up with the more dynamic economies anyways. Given it just lost the UK, the Hungary problem, Germany threatening to disobey the ECB etc it does not seem to be actually doing that hot.

The US already did pull most of our troops from Europe, but we have allies we wish to support, although we absolutely should move all our troops in Germany to Poland. At least Poland supports its military.

Sure, the EU is going to implode anytime now. They cannot manage anykind of division in their ranks despite doing exactly that for how long now. This spiel is getting pretty old. You decide to keep your troops in Europe and somehow that's the euros fault and they should pay for it too. Seems to me blaming everything on the euros is a favourite past time of Americans.

[Novus America]

I would not exactly say it is going strong considering the challenges it is facing and how it punches way BELOW its weight in international relations, relative to its population and economic size, although given its poor economic growth it cannot keep up with the more dynamic economies anyways. Given it just lost the UK, the Hungary problem, Germany threatening to disobey the ECB etc it does not seem to be actually doing that hot.

The US already did pull most of our troops from Europe, but we have allies we wish to support, although we absolutely should move all our troops in Germany to Poland. At least Poland supports its military.

Sure, the EU is going to implode anytime now. They cannot manage anykind of division in their ranks despite doing exactly that for how long now. This spiel is getting pretty old. You decide to keep your troops in Europe and somehow that's the euros fault and they should pay for it too. Seems to me blaming everything on the euros is a favourite past time of Americans.

Given the EU is only 27 years old and lost one of its most important members it is not doing so well. I never said it will implode anytime now or even soon necessarily, but your whole approach of hiding from the manifest problems is not a good way of looking at it.

See there is a lot in between “going strong” and “imploding anytime now”.
It is not a simple dichotomy of doing great vs on the verge of immediate death.

Yes we decide to keep some troops in Europe (and keeping them in Germany is a mistake I acknowledge) but Europe ASKS for them! Practically begs for more when Russia gets uppity.

Whataboutism is not a defense, it is an admission of guilt and moreover false equivalency. Grumbling about Europe trying to free load on our military is quite different than accusing Europe of trying to divide us and being the source of our domestic problems, something nobody here has done.

[Risottia]

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

Because the US wants to keep spending billions to pay for countries that don't want to protect themselves?

Believe it or not, but making Europe pay for it's own defense is actually a pretty bi-partisan issue in the US.

The point isn't just defense expenditure of NATO countries - btw not every EU member is a NATO member.
The point is the political unification of Europe, which is the ultimate goal the the EU. The US have been undermining that goal since 1991 at the very least.

[Risottia]

Btw more on how Hungary is going to be forced out eventually.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/14/hun ... n-s-powers

[Bella terra de la casa]

Hi I am a new nation and i think the nation leaving the EU next will be both portugal and romania be cause eu is i in both languages. also i don't care the EU sucks

[Novus America]

Because the US wants to keep spending billions to pay for countries that don't want to protect themselves?

Believe it or not, but making Europe pay for it's own defense is actually a pretty bi-partisan issue in the US.

The point isn't just defense expenditure of NATO countries - btw not every EU member is a NATO member.
The point is the political unification of Europe, which is the ultimate goal the the EU. The US have been undermining that goal since 1991 at the very least.

How exactly has the US been doing that?

[The Blaatschapen]

Hi I am a new nation and i think the nation leaving the EU next will be both portugal and romania be cause eu is i in both languages. also i don't care the EU sucks

Your sentence is a bit of a non sequitur. They quit because the EU is I in both languages?

[Ethel mermania]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

In the fantasy land that europe (EU) represents just one interest and one political and economic train of thought, sure.

You probably could group some of the states together that have shared vision and interests, but I really doubt the Turks and the Norwegians see eye to eye on many issues.

[Betoni]

Sure, the EU is going to implode anytime now. They cannot manage anykind of division in their ranks despite doing exactly that for how long now. This spiel is getting pretty old. You decide to keep your troops in Europe and somehow that's the euros fault and they should pay for it too. Seems to me blaming everything on the euros is a favourite past time of Americans.

Given the EU is only 27 years old and lost one of its most important members it is not doing so well. I never said it will implode anytime now or even soon necessarily, but your whole approach of hiding from the manifest problems is not a good way of looking at it.

See there is a lot in between “going strong” and “imploding anytime now”.
It is not a simple dichotomy of doing great vs on the verge of immediate death.

Yes we decide to keep some troops in Europe (and keeping them in Germany is a mistake I acknowledge) but Europe ASKS for them! Practically begs for more when Russia gets uppity.

Whataboutism is not a defense, it is an admission of guilt and moreover false equivalency. Grumbling about Europe trying to free load on our military is quite different than accusing Europe of trying to divide us and being the source of our domestic problems, something nobody here has done.

Umh, your approach of making a mountain of every imagined or real mole hill is certainly the right way to look at things and there is no hint of bias in your reading of the state of the EU.

Never made a defense of anything so no buddy, no admissions here nor any equivalencies.

[CANZUK 1]

Europe can never be united under one flag, one person, one government because our our different languages, cultures and histories and if the EU it keeps trying to create its Pan-European empire it will lead to more nations leaving and the collapse of it all. Instead we should embrace our differences and the things that make us unique and work together as a community of friends that respects each other sovereignty and not to be forced into a European Super-state.

[Kowani]

Ditto.

They always invested a lot of effort in having Europe split into many different countries, each of them subservient to the Atlantic alliance and to America.
A united Europe would be economically more powerful than the US, which means the Atlantic balance would shift.

In the fantasy land that europe (EU) represents just one interest and one political and economic train of thought, sure.

You probably could group some of the states together that have shared vision and interests, but I really doubt the Turks and the Norwegians see eye to eye on many issues.

Well, for one thing, Turkey’s not in the EU.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

In the fantasy land that europe (EU) represents just one interest and one political and economic train of thought, sure.

You probably could group some of the states together that have shared vision and interests, but I really doubt the Turks and the Norwegians see eye to eye on many issues.

Well, for one thing, Turkey’s not in the EU.

Nor is Norway.

[Kowani]

Well, for one thing, Turkey’s not in the EU.

Nor is Norway.

…I really have to start double-checking that I typed everything in my head before I post.

[Atheris]

Nor is Norway.

…I really have to start double-checking that I typed everything in my head before I post.

To comment is human, to preview, divine.

[Ethel mermania]

Well, for one thing, Turkey’s not in the EU.

Nor is Norway.

And Norway is part of the economic region and turkey is trying to get in. I am aware neither are full members.

[New haven america]

Because the US wants to keep spending billions to pay for countries that don't want to protect themselves?

Believe it or not, but making Europe pay for it's own defense is actually a pretty bi-partisan issue in the US.

1. The point isn't just defense expenditure of NATO countries - 2. btw not every EU member is a NATO member.
3. The point is the political unification of Europe, 4. which is the ultimate goal the the EU. The US have been undermining that goal since 1991 at the very least.

1. It is, however, if not the main point, a massive fucking point.
2. Fully aware of this fact, thank you.
3. Which most European nations have decried as something that should never happen and one country has left over.
4. IIRC, the main goal of the EU is to make trade, movement, regional and economic development, etc... easier as well as avoiding another WWI or WWII happening within Europe.

But if Europe wants to create then it should, and a lot in the US fully supports that idea because it'd save the place a shit ton of money. It's Europeans who generally hate the idea of a EU defense force or military.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

1. The point isn't just defense expenditure of NATO countries - 2. btw not every EU member is a NATO member.
3. The point is the political unification of Europe, 4. which is the ultimate goal the the EU. The US have been undermining that goal since 1991 at the very least.

1. It is, however, if not the main point, a massive fucking point.
2. Fully aware of this fact, thank you.
3. Which most European nations have decried as something that should never happen and one country has left over.
4. IIRC, the main goal of the EU is to make trade, movement, regional and economic development, etc... easier as well as avoiding another WWI or WWII happening within Europe.

But if Europe wants to create then it should, and a lot in the US fully supports that idea because it'd save the place a shit ton of money. It's Europeans who generally hate the idea of a EU defense force or military.

Do you think the war in the middle east will not be reflected in the europe. how quickly did you forget yugoslavia. The United States is not a good example If Europe unites, it should take Scandinavia as an example.America is always trying to divide countries, for example, they support separatist terrorism in Syria.

[Auze]

1. It is, however, if not the main point, a massive fucking point.
2. Fully aware of this fact, thank you.
3. Which most European nations have decried as something that should never happen and one country has left over.
4. IIRC, the main goal of the EU is to make trade, movement, regional and economic development, etc... easier as well as avoiding another WWI or WWII happening within Europe.

But if Europe wants to create then it should, and a lot in the US fully supports that idea because it'd save the place a shit ton of money. It's Europeans who generally hate the idea of a EU defense force or military.

Do you think the war in the middle east will not be reflected in the europe. how quickly did you forget yugoslavia. The United States is not a good example If Europe unites, it should take Scandinavia as an example.America is always trying to divide countries, for example, they support separatist terrorism in Syria.

... I don't even know where to begin on refuting the propaganda you just stated. I will point out the irony in saying the US supports terrorism and then posting the picture of an Iranian general who backed literal terrorist groups and planned terrorist attacks.