Next nation to leave the European union

[Aclion]

The EU seems to be the source of most of the conflict in Europe right now though.

Compared to what Europe used to be like, with its near endless wars and constant disputes, I'm still not convinced personally.

It could certainly do with being made better, but I wouldn't rush to jump back into the old world myself.

That sort of thing is down all over the world though, and not because of the EU; because of democratic oversight, the nuclear deterrent, the acceptance of national sovereignty, and the liberalization of global markets. Ironically all things that the EU undermines in one way or another.
I very much expect that if there is another major war in Europe you will find the EU at the heart of the cause.

[The New California Republic]

What's a "Europeans union"?

[Nazeroth]

The EU is trying to be the soviet union in some ways

They EU wants a EU army which would mean if polish people protest they will send in french or german soldiers. The soviets did the same thing, they would said different peoples in the ussr to quell dissent.

lol....

I mean, that would be the most efficient if totalitarian thing to do.

[Green October Z]

What's a "Europeans union"?

Indeed

[The Huskar Social Union]

What's a "Europeans union"?

The cool kids version of the European Union.

[Agarntrop]

lol....

I mean, that would be the most efficient if totalitarian thing to do.

except the eu is run by neoliberals, not fascists

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

What's a "Europeans union"?

Sorry autocorrect doesn’t know English.
Sorry for that

[Nazeroth]

Compared to what Europe used to be like, with its near endless wars and constant disputes, I'm still not convinced personally.

It could certainly do with being made better, but I wouldn't rush to jump back into the old world myself.

That sort of thing is down all over the world though, and not because of the EU; because of democratic oversight, the nuclear deterrent, the acceptance of national sovereignty, and the liberalization of global markets. Ironically all things that the EU undermines in one way or another.
I very much expect that if there is another major war in Europe you will find the EU at the heart of the cause.

Exactly the pro-EU side in europe likes to talk like everyones equal and are a union, but the behavior points towards wanting some mind of superstate headed by germany, france and maybe belgium

[Nazeroth]

I mean, that would be the most efficient if totalitarian thing to do.

except the eu is run by neoliberals, not fascists

The soviets did the same thing

[Ifreann]

lol....

I mean, that would be the most efficient if totalitarian thing to do.

And as we all know, the EU is all about efficient totalitarianism.

[The Huskar Social Union]

except the eu is run by neoliberals, not fascists

The soviets did the same thing

The only way i can see EU military forces being deployed to deal with protests in Poland is if Poland is in a state of complete and utter collapse and Polish Military and Police forces cannot deal with them effectively.

The EU is not the Soviet Union, its not gona invade member states the second it has a military set up.

[Nazeroth]

I mean, that would be the most efficient if totalitarian thing to do.

And as we all know, the EU is all about efficient totalitarianism.

Sort of, when member nations feel disrespected they kind give them the middle finger

[Agarntrop]

except the eu is run by neoliberals, not fascists

The soviets did the same thing

the soviets are like the opposite of the eu

im guessing youre an american

[Nazeroth]

The soviets did the same thing

The only way i can see EU military forces being deployed to deal with protests in Poland is if Poland is in a state of complete and utter collapse and Polish Military and Police forces cannot deal with them effectively.

The EU is not the Soviet Union, its not gona invade member states the second it has a military set up.

Exactly

If the polish people were to become that pissed they would just call in other Non polish forces to crush them

[Nazeroth]

The soviets did the same thing

the soviets are like the opposite of the eu

im guessing youre an american

Im an american and going off what others have spoken off in this thread

[Ifreann]

And as we all know, the EU is all about efficient totalitarianism.

Sort of, when member nations feel disrespected they kind give them the middle finger

And therefore an EU army would be used to suppress protest in Poland.

[Novus America]

Well, maybe Ireland because of its proximity to the UK, but other than that I don't think other countries are going to be leaving.

oh ireland is very pro-eu, it wont be them.

Yeah, Ireland pretty well exemplifies the particular neoliberal approach the EU usually takes, Ireland is ultra neoliberal so has no problem with the EU. It is more the conservative nationalists in the East or the more left leaning economics in the South that have the issue.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The only way i can see EU military forces being deployed to deal with protests in Poland is if Poland is in a state of complete and utter collapse and Polish Military and Police forces cannot deal with them effectively.

The EU is not the Soviet Union, its not gona invade member states the second it has a military set up.

Exactly

If the polish people were to become that pissed they would just call in other Non polish forces to crush them

Which would be Polands issue if it gets into such a state, not the EU.


I doubt it would happen anyway as there would most likely be a government change in Poland before EU military or Police forces were deployed in substantial numbers, which again would most likely be at the request of the Polish government.

[Agarntrop]

the soviets are like the opposite of the eu

im guessing youre an american

Im an american and going off what others have spoken off in this thread

yeah, i thought so

youre wrong. comparing the eu to the ussr is a bizzare and frankly strange thing to say.

[Nazeroth]

Exactly

If the polish people were to become that pissed they would just call in other Non polish forces to crush them

Which would be Polands issue if it gets into such a state, not the EU.

Not if, as others have said, the eu destroys its national soverignty

[Ifreann]

The only way i can see EU military forces being deployed to deal with protests in Poland is if Poland is in a state of complete and utter collapse and Polish Military and Police forces cannot deal with them effectively.

The EU is not the Soviet Union, its not gona invade member states the second it has a military set up.

Exactly

If the polish people were to become that pissed they would just call in other Non polish forces to crush them

Why?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Which would be Polands issue if it gets into such a state, not the EU.

Not if, as others have said, the eu destroys its national soverignty

The EU is not going to destroy Polands national sovereignty.

[Nazeroth]

Exactly

If the polish people were to become that pissed they would just call in other Non polish forces to crush them

Why?

Why use polish troops and worry about them being attacked returning to home when can put a bunch of german soldiers on a train and ship them over to cursh them?

[Novus America]

I mean, that would be the most efficient if totalitarian thing to do.

except the eu is run by neoliberals, not fascists

Yeah, the Soviets were economically far left/extreme government interventionist and also socially conservative so yes, pretty much yeah, the opposite of the EU.

[Nazeroth]

I don't get all the hate for the EU. Europeans not killing the shit out of each other constantly seems something to keep going, if possible, to me.

Not to claim to live in Europe, but from contacts and friends that live there:

Bureaucracy, its style of government, control over their economies, noticeable corruption, issues dealing with like 25 countries at once, economic crises caused by the EU (especially in Greece)...

I refer to this post which seems well thought out