Next nation to leave the European union

[Nakena]

I don't see why Hungary should leave. As long as Hungary is in the European Union, alongside other authoritising countries such as Poland, it really doesn't risk being sanctioned for its executive aggrandisement. Moreover, it gains to benefit politically: as it remains in the EU, it can block and hinder European attempts to promote democracy or prevent authoritisation in other countries, which would make for a more comfortable international arena for Hungary (and its fellows) overall.

Aside from a kneejerk reaction of "EU bad, Hungary leave!", there isn't much point to Hungary leaving the EU, especially if Poland is still in the club.

Ideally, the folks in the European Commission would level penalties on Hungary until they reverse a number of authoritarian policies that don't align with the EU's supposed values as laid out in their Charter of Fundamental Rights. If Orban were to continue to consolidate his power with all that, maybe a discussion would be had on revoking Hungary's membership.

But they won't do either of those things, because it's a known fact that the folks in the EU Commission are really quite spineless and aloof.

If Hungary ever exits, it would be the EU's decision, not Orban's, but really, I don't see it as likely in the near future.

Orban's party (Fidesz) is member of the EPP group in the european parliament, the union of most conservative and christ-democratic parties in Europe and also the biggest voting bloc. And since Fidesz members have always been going along with it and are part of the bloc the EU (which is led by member states ruled by EPP parties) has been somewhat hesistant to do stuff about Hungary.

You get the idea. They won't bite one of their own ilk. (attempts have been made)

[West yuan]

Greece is leaving the eu Because of Germany and being broke

[Unthank]

Honestly? I suspect the next country to leave the EU will be the UK.
Again.

But they're already gone - well, officially after December 31.

Ah, but in a few years time we'll realise we're not rubbish because of immigration, we're rubbish because we're... rubbish. We'll suddenly be nostalgic for passports that aren't blue and will try to get back in.
Then we'll leave.
Again.

[Risottia]

Greece is leaving the eu Because of Germany and being broke

Exactly how would leaving the EU and the ECB make Greece unbroke?
Considering how the EU and the ECB bailed Greece out of the debt Greece racked up out of its own will?

[Risottia]

I don't see why Hungary should leave. ... there isn't much point to Hungary leaving the EU, especially if Poland is still in the club.

Hungary should leave because it's a full-blown dictatorship, and Poland should be sanctioned until they either wise up or follow Hungary.

[The Blaatschapen]

Greece is leaving the eu Because of Germany and being broke

Exactly how would leaving the EU and the ECB make Greece unbroke?
Considering how the EU and the ECB bailed Greece out of the debt Greece racked up out of its own will?

Greece then can default.

Like Argentina does every other decade.

[Nakena]

I don't see why Hungary should leave. ... there isn't much point to Hungary leaving the EU, especially if Poland is still in the club.

Hungary should leave because it's a full-blown dictatorship, and Poland should be sanctioned until they either wise up or follow Hungary.

You keep saying that, but i think you must also realize that Hungary will then basically turn into an russian or chinese outpost in the midst of the EU should that happen. Also who says that Orban stays forever in power?

[Savojarna]

Exactly how would leaving the EU and the ECB make Greece unbroke?
Considering how the EU and the ECB bailed Greece out of the debt Greece racked up out of its own will?

Greece then can default.

Like Argentina does every other decade.

That does come with pretty high costs though. Argentina's model essentially only works because people give up on ever getting anything out of Argentina, and has resulted in barely anyone being willing to lend to Argentina. And it's unlikely that Greece's creditors, at this point, would accept such a thing (although that depends on whose account you believe)

[Ifreann]

Greece is leaving the eu Because of Germany and being broke

Exactly how would leaving the EU and the ECB make Greece unbroke?
Considering how the EU and the ECB bailed Greece out of the debt Greece racked up out of its own will?

Once they're out of the EU Greece can dig up the secret stashes of drachma and reveal that they've been rich all along.

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Hungary should leave because it's a full-blown dictatorship, and Poland should be sanctioned until they either wise up or follow Hungary.

You keep saying that, but i think you must also realize that Hungary will then basically turn into an russian or chinese outpost in the midst of the EU should that happen. Also who says that Orban stays forever in power?

The EU isn't NATO. It doesn't exist to thwart Russia, nor China, nor anyone else.

[Risottia]

You keep saying that, but i think you must also realize that Hungary will then basically turn into an russian or chinese outpost in the midst of the EU should that happen.

What do you mean, "turn into a Russian or Chinese outpost in the midst of the EU"? They're ALREADY an outpost of authoritarianism and they're WITHIN the EU right now. If they were gone, they'd be an outpost of authoritarianism AT THE BORDER of the EU, just like, dunno, Belarus or Turkey or Ukraine or Russia.

Also who says that Orban stays forever in power?

Nothing prevents Hungary from applying again for membership.

[Werreales]

I think France will leave the European Union. Germany and its friends are too stubborn and egoist to let the ECB fix the European economy. They did the same thing with Greece, which led to the Euro crisis.

France?

It makes no sense for France to go next. If France goes, it goes in a group or it won't go at all. And that's a big if. The group has to contain Spain, Italy at the least.

Yes, France and Italy suffered big losses because of European construction. With the coming economic crisis, France will suffer the most from its stressed banking system and its inability to devalue (because of the Eurozone which benefits to Germany). In result, the French economy is not adapted to the Eurozone. The same goes for Italy. French people begin to understand the Eurozone is adapted to the German economic system, and to a certain extent to Northern countries such as the Netherlands.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asPsJagGgAY

[Novus America]

You keep saying that, but i think you must also realize that Hungary will then basically turn into an russian or chinese outpost in the midst of the EU should that happen.

What do you mean, "turn into a Russian or Chinese outpost in the midst of the EU"? They're ALREADY an outpost of authoritarianism and they're WITHIN the EU right now. If they were gone, they'd be an outpost of authoritarianism AT THE BORDER of the EU, just like, dunno, Belarus or Turkey or Ukraine or Russia.

Also who says that Orban stays forever in power?

Nothing prevents Hungary from applying again for membership.

I think you need to check the map. Them leaving the EU would split the EU, cutting Greece, Bulgaria and Romania off from the rest. Loosing Poland too would cut off the Baltics.

[Nazis in Space]

France?

It makes no sense for France to go next. If France goes, it goes in a group or it won't go at all. And that's a big if. The group has to contain Spain, Italy at the least.

Yes, France and Italy suffered big losses because of European construction. With the coming economic crisis, France will suffer the most from its stressed banking system and its inability to devalue (because of the Eurozone which benefits to Germany). In result, the French economy is not adapted to the Eurozone. The same goes for Italy. French people begin to understand the Eurozone is adapted to the German economic system, and to a certain extent to Northern countries such as the Netherlands.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asPsJagGgAY

Daily reminder that Germany opposed the Euro and eventually agreed to it as the price Mitterand demanded for agreeing to German unification.

Also a reminder that Kohl literally told Mitterand 'We already agreed to the currency union against our interests. What more do you want?!'

[Werreales]

Yes, France and Italy suffered big losses because of European construction. With the coming economic crisis, France will suffer the most from its stressed banking system and its inability to devalue (because of the Eurozone which benefits to Germany). In result, the French economy is not adapted to the Eurozone. The same goes for Italy. French people begin to understand the Eurozone is adapted to the German economic system, and to a certain extent to Northern countries such as the Netherlands.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asPsJagGgAY

Daily reminder that Germany opposed the Euro and eventually agreed to it as the price Mitterand demanded for agreeing to German unification.

Also a reminder that Kohl literally told Mitterand 'We already agreed to the currency union against our interests. What more do you want?!'

French elites did the wrong choice, I agree. Mitterand had no economical experience because he was a literary person. But, it doesn't change the fact that today, all Southern European economies including France are suffering because of Germany's dominant position. And the latter is so stubborn with its ordoliberal ideology and its trade surpluses that it is ready to sacrifice countries like Greece for the stability of the Euro.

[Novus America]

Yes, France and Italy suffered big losses because of European construction. With the coming economic crisis, France will suffer the most from its stressed banking system and its inability to devalue (because of the Eurozone which benefits to Germany). In result, the French economy is not adapted to the Eurozone. The same goes for Italy. French people begin to understand the Eurozone is adapted to the German economic system, and to a certain extent to Northern countries such as the Netherlands.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asPsJagGgAY

Daily reminder that Germany opposed the Euro and eventually agreed to it as the price Mitterand demanded for agreeing to German unification.

Also a reminder that Kohl literally told Mitterand 'We already agreed to the currency union against our interests. What more do you want?!'

The problem is Germany despite not wanting it initially has used it to push austerity and fiscal conservatism which has been deeply unpopular in France, Italy and Greece.

The fight over fiscal policy is cracking the EU badly. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomb ... -der-leyen
Now that the EU has become a little less fiscally conservative Germany is refusing to follow the ECB, which is ironic considering their treatment of Greece.

[Risottia]

The problem is Germany despite not wanting it initially has used it to push austerity and fiscal conservatism which has been deeply unpopular in France, Italy and Greece.

Fiscal conservatism isn't exactly unanimously supported in Germany either. It just happens to be supported by the right wing of CDU/CSU, which is a key part of the Pink-Black coalition.

[Risottia]

What do you mean, "turn into a Russian or Chinese outpost in the midst of the EU"? They're ALREADY an outpost of authoritarianism and they're WITHIN the EU right now. If they were gone, they'd be an outpost of authoritarianism AT THE BORDER of the EU, just like, dunno, Belarus or Turkey or Ukraine or Russia.


Nothing prevents Hungary from applying again for membership.

I think you need to check the map. Them leaving the EU would split the EU, cutting Greece, Bulgaria and Romania off from the rest. Loosing Poland too would cut off the Baltics.

Greece was part of the EU way before Hungary and still we had no problem in having Greece in. We don't need to form a contiguous territory - think Alaska or Hawaii within the US.
Because you know, we got something called "boats" and we also invented human flight over here.

[Purple Rats]

I think you need to check the map. Them leaving the EU would split the EU, cutting Greece, Bulgaria and Romania off from the rest. Loosing Poland too would cut off the Baltics.

Greece was part of the EU way before Hungary and still we had no problem in having Greece in. We don't need to form a contiguous territory - think Alaska or Hawaii within the US.
Because you know, we got something called "boats" and we also invented human flight over here.

Yeah, not being in EU does not automatically mean closed borders. (Maybe Hungary would like that, tho) Switzerland is also not in EU, and nobody even checks your documents at the border if you go there by the road from other countries.

[Novus America]

I think you need to check the map. Them leaving the EU would split the EU, cutting Greece, Bulgaria and Romania off from the rest. Loosing Poland too would cut off the Baltics.

Greece was part of the EU way before Hungary and still we had no problem in having Greece in. We don't need to form a contiguous territory - think Alaska or Hawaii within the US.
Because you know, we got something called "boats" and we also invented human flight over here.

Bulgaria and Romania have no ports on the Mediterranean Sea. Which means even the boats and planes have to cross international lines. But sure, you can have discontiguous territory, but historically that often leads to divides. See for example the collapse of government in Palestine and Pakistan. And it still would interrupt gas pipelines, rail systems, power distribution etc.

The point remains Hungary is not just some border territory, rather it is very importantly and strategically positioned.

[Novus America]

The problem is Germany despite not wanting it initially has used it to push austerity and fiscal conservatism which has been deeply unpopular in France, Italy and Greece.

Fiscal conservatism isn't exactly unanimously supported in Germany either. It just happens to be supported by the right wing of CDU/CSU, which is a key part of the Pink-Black coalition.

Although true, it is what the German government has been pushing overall, something that has lead to political conflict.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

the european union must be a single state

[The Blaatschapen]

the european union must be a single state

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I have so many questions, but I don't think the answers will make me smarter.

[Ghost Land]

the european union must be a single state

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1. I don't think Switzerland is going to join the EU.
2. What happened to Greece's border?
3. Why are France, Spain, etc. not a part of it?

Edit: All the borders are floopy, some of them seeming to follow sub-racial (Latin, South Slavic, etc.) boundaries.

[Dominioan]

All i really have to say is that i love these names.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

the european union must be a single state

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1. I don't think Switzerland is going to join the EU.
2. What happened to Greece's border?
3. Why are France, Spain, etc. not a part of it?

Edit: All the borders are floopy, some of them seeming to follow sub-racial (Latin, South Slavic, etc.) boundaries.

There must be unity states before moving to the united world state. Homo Sapiens should stop fighting now