Next nation to leave the European union

[Genivaria]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Uh we've been actively supporting Europe to form a proper defensive force for awhile now, all our troops protecting them is bloody expensive.

[Nakena]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Uh we've been actively supporting Europe to form a proper defensive force for awhile now, all our troops protecting them is bloody expensive.

Thats not how it works. Its more or less that most EU countries dont have the logistics to conduct out of area operations. For defense purposes they are good enough. The idea that current US deployments in Europe or also south korea for that matter are essential to the defenses of those locations is... false nowadays.

Unless theres a prolonged warfare of more than two weeks and including reinforcements from US mainland shipped in. Thats were it becomes important again.

[Genivaria]

Uh we've been actively supporting Europe to form a proper defensive force for awhile now, all our troops protecting them is bloody expensive.

Thats not how it works. Its more or less that most EU countries dont have the logistics to conduct out of area operations. For defense purposes they are good enough. The idea that current US deployments in Europe or also south korea for that matter are essential to the defenses of those locations is... false nowadays.

Unless theres a prolonged warfare of more than two weeks and including reinforcements from US mainland shipped in. Thats were it becomes important again.

Define 'out of area operations', outside of one's own nation?
To my knowledge the EU forces compared to their neighbor Russia is pitiful.

Thats not how it works.

I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

Unless theres a prolonged warfare of more than two weeks

Forgive me but what warfare would last less than 2 weeks where Europe is concerned?

[Tobleste]

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1. Like many who moan about the EU, you don't even live in it and I doubt you're awareness of it.

2. Sweden is far more advanced than the US on almost every metric.

3. That article you quoted says that: "The survey also finds that views about the EU and the challenges facing Europe vary in important ways across the nations included in the study. Overall, attitudes toward the EU are largely positive."

1. I never professed to be an expert about the EU. I don't even claim to be an expert on my home country. Does that mean I'm not allowed to have my own opinion, not even after having talked to plenty of Europeans and read a lot about European politics? Not everyone is ignorant about everything outside of their nation's borders, and I could nitpick about your grammar too if I wanted.

2. That's common knowledge, and I never claimed otherwise, just my personal distaste for Sweden's government. Not liking Sweden's government is another viewpoint I am well within my right to have.

3. Way to pick one quote out of the article and ignore the points I was making, which are also well supported within that very same article. Not every bloody person in the EU likes the EU; there are plenty of critics of it and its policies, especially in countries like Greece where most people do have a negative opinion of the EU. Re-read the rest of the article.

There are plenty of critics of the US government but that doesnt mean states will secede. You selectively picked the bits of the article that suggested people have an issue with the EU while ignoring that most are positive about the union itself.

[Tobleste]

Yeah, I am note sure why some people say that support for the Eu is good or even at a all time high. It is pretty clear in my nation that support is dropping

If the eu was so tight we wouldnt have this thread haha

An NS thread is not proof of anything. I can make a thread about how amazing my six pack is but that doesnt suggest anything.

[Nazeroth]

If the eu was so tight we wouldnt have this thread haha

An NS thread is not proof of anything. I can make a thread about how amazing my six pack is but that doesnt suggest anything.

Anyways the EU just lost the UK and its common knowledge eastern europe isnt happend with them

[Ghost Land]

1. I never professed to be an expert about the EU. I don't even claim to be an expert on my home country. Does that mean I'm not allowed to have my own opinion, not even after having talked to plenty of Europeans and read a lot about European politics? Not everyone is ignorant about everything outside of their nation's borders, and I could nitpick about your grammar too if I wanted.

2. That's common knowledge, and I never claimed otherwise, just my personal distaste for Sweden's government. Not liking Sweden's government is another viewpoint I am well within my right to have.

3. Way to pick one quote out of the article and ignore the points I was making, which are also well supported within that very same article. Not every bloody person in the EU likes the EU; there are plenty of critics of it and its policies, especially in countries like Greece where most people do have a negative opinion of the EU. Re-read the rest of the article.

There are plenty of critics of the US government but that doesnt mean states will secede. You selectively picked the bits of the article that suggested people have an issue with the EU while ignoring that most are positive about the union itself.

Irrelevant. I understand that the gripes of one particular person or group of people don't determine whether a country stays in the EU or not, and I don't appreciate your twisting of my bloody words. Bringing up those statistics about issues people have with the EU was backing up my personal dislike of it, not insinuating that any particular country is more or less likely to leave it based on public opinion. There is no completely herd-driven, fully direct democracy in the world. Most people in most EU countries are generally positive about the EU, but few people are blindly positive about every aspect of it; you're twisting my words to try to prove me wrong, when really we're saying mostly the same thing.

[Tobleste]

as result, Nexit parties are growing.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/04/n ... in-the-eu/

Exactly. All this stuff about the EU coming apart seems like wishful thinking. Afaik, no one in the thread has even given evidence that it's actually coming apart. It's less likely to happen now than it was five years ago after Brexit showed how difficult it is to leave and less likely than it was ten years before when the eurozone crisis was raging.

This thread is ten years behind schedule. I may as well make a thread warning Obama about an imminent takeover of the House by the tea party and suggest that what's his name from the Apprentice is a big deal.

[Major-Tom]

In the near future (IE the next 5-10 years), I don't suspect we'll see any exits. If any country were to leave, it might be Hungary if the EU ever decides that their hybrid-regime is in direct conflict with the supposed democratic values the EU is supposed to uphold.

[Ethel mermania]

Surprisingly germany.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -der-leyen

[Tobleste]

An NS thread is not proof of anything. I can make a thread about how amazing my six pack is but that doesnt suggest anything.

Anyways the EU just lost the UK and its common knowledge eastern europe isnt happend with them

The UK has left. It decided it 4 years ago. And which eastern European country has strong support to leave?

[Tobleste]

There are plenty of critics of the US government but that doesnt mean states will secede. You selectively picked the bits of the article that suggested people have an issue with the EU while ignoring that most are positive about the union itself.

Irrelevant. I understand that the gripes of one particular person or group of people don't determine whether a country stays in the EU or not, and I don't appreciate your twisting of my bloody words. Bringing up those statistics about issues people have with the EU was backing up my personal dislike of it, not insinuating that any particular country is more or less likely to leave it based on public opinion. There is no completely herd-driven, fully direct democracy in the world. Most people in most EU countries are generally positive about the EU, but few people are blindly positive about every aspect of it; you're twisting my words to try to prove me wrong, when really we're saying mostly the same thing.

Sorry. I must have misunderstood your original post then.

[Nakena]

Define 'out of area operations', outside of one's own nation?

Out of NATO terretory/Europe.

To my knowledge the EU forces compared to their neighbor Russia is pitiful.

Russia couldn get past Warsaw by all likehood They could overrun the baltics, thats no accomplishment but at some point they would get bogged down. Part of the calculation is that US forces have by that time arrived in numbers.

But EU armies only could probably as well stop an russian advance. It's all about logistics. The deeper the russians get in, the longer their logistics gets stretched and the less the Euro ones will be.

I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

The US forces in Europe and SK aren't the same as they were at the peak of the cold war. It's not that theres massive divison sized ground units deployed to defend against a soviet tank assault in Fulda Gap or so.

Forgive me but what warfare would last less than 2 weeks where Europe is concerned?

The problem is that EU forces would at some point run out of ammo for their more advanced weaponry. Thats the real problem.

[New haven america]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

America's been mostly nothing but supportive of the EU for decades now.

Like, we've actually been one of the main parties trying to get the EU to create its own defense force because only like 2 EU members actively pay their required 2% NATO funding while the US has to foot the bill for everyone else. However, anytime a united EU defense force or stronger NATO is brought up you get maybe the majority of Europeans screaming about how it's imperialism and everything should be left as is.

So yeah, damned if you do damned if you don't, and make America pay for everything.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

America's been mostly northing but supportive of the EU for decades now.

Like, we've actually been one of the main parties trying to get the EU to create its own defense force because only like 2 EU member are actively pay their required 2% NATO funding while the US has to foot the bill for everyone else. However, anytime a united EU defense force or stronger NATO is brought up you get maybe the majority of Europeans screaming about how it's imperialism and everything should be left as is.

So yeah, damned if you do damned if you don't, and make America pay for everything.

The EU, of course, does not want to. Because Russia has no interest in attacking Europe.Russia is now the defensive side, the United States is the offensive side, and European partners are obviously not interested in joining in this matter

[Ifreann]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Oh?

Well maybe we should have removed all our bases a long time ago and pull out of nato that way europe can foot the bill

But you won't, because you want a capitalist bulwark against the Soviets.

[Nazeroth]

Oh?

Well maybe we should have removed all our bases a long time ago and pull out of nato that way europe can foot the bill

But you won't, because you want a capitalist bulwark against the Soviets.

There are no more “soviets” the current russian nation is better off politically and economically being our friend or at least trading partner than enemy.

[Ifreann]

But you won't, because you want a capitalist bulwark against the Soviets.

There are no more “soviets” the current russian nation is better off politically and economically being our friend or at least trading partner than enemy.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll stop pointing their nukes at you any day now.

[Bear Stearns]

I think the Americans just want to see Europe kept as powerless as possible.

Real Americans have too much on their hands at home and don't really care what Europe does. We just want peace.

The people that run the US though definitely view Europe as a vassal state.

[Nazeroth]

There are no more “soviets” the current russian nation is better off politically and economically being our friend or at least trading partner than enemy.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll stop pointing their nukes at you any day now.

There a world power, they still want to maintain their own influence, thats normal and expected.

Nobody is saying having them join NATO but perhaps through tourism and business we can warm relations.

[Arlenton]

Are there any other nations seriously considering leaving that would result in them doing so in the near future?

[Savojarna]

But you won't, because you want a capitalist bulwark against the Soviets.

There are no more “soviets” the current russian nation is better off politically and economically being our friend or at least trading partner than enemy.

If the US hadn't been around in the 90's, this would actually be true. We should have kicked you back across the Atlantic the second the USSR collapsed and taken Europe's fate into our own hansd. Now if only you guys would stop talking about leaving us and fucking do it already.

[Nazeroth]

There are no more “soviets” the current russian nation is better off politically and economically being our friend or at least trading partner than enemy.

If the US hadn't been around in the 90's, this would actually be true. We should have kicked you back across the Atlantic the second the USSR collapsed and taken Europe's fate into our own hansd. Now if only you guys would stop talking about leaving us and fucking do it already.

Wat?

[The Blaatschapen]

Are there any other nations seriously considering leaving that would result in them doing so in the near future?

Leaving? Or getting kicked out?

The latter is also a possibility. Hungarian government and the EU are not on friendly terms. Polish government is a close second.

[The New California Republic]

What's a "Europeans union"?

Sorry autocorrect doesn’t know English.
Sorry for that

And yet the thread title is still wrong...