Next nation to leave the European union

[Risottia]

Scotland and Wales, no doubt,sir.

I think you'll find they're still part of the already-leaving UK.

"Already-left" actually.

[Nazeroth]

The European Union is slowly coming apart.

It ain't, but whatever floats your boat.

That’s why ask you which nation do you think is the next to leave the EU?

I hope it's Hungary. It has become a full-blown dictatorship so its place isn't in the EU anymore.

They stopped elections in hungary?

[Region of Dwipantara]

The European Union is slowly coming apart.

It ain't, but whatever floats your boat.

That’s why ask you which nation do you think is the next to leave the EU?

I hope it's Hungary. It has become a full-blown dictatorship so its place isn't in the EU anymore.

Are you sure letting China build a lv. 10 fort in the middle of continental Europe is a good idea?

[Nazeroth]

It ain't, but whatever floats your boat.

I hope it's Hungary. It has become a full-blown dictatorship so its place isn't in the EU anymore.

Are you sure letting China build a lv. 10 fort in the middle of continental Europe is a good idea?

I see your a man of culture

[Dumb Ideologies]

Peel them all off goodbye european onion

[Atheris]

It ain't, but whatever floats your boat.

I hope it's Hungary. It has become a full-blown dictatorship so its place isn't in the EU anymore.

Are you sure letting China build a lv. 10 fort in the middle of continental Europe is a good idea?

I get that reference!

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

Peel them all off goodbye european onion

onions make me cry, for sure this onion.

[Nakena]

The European Union is slowly coming apart.

It ain't, but whatever floats your boat.

That’s why ask you which nation do you think is the next to leave the EU?

I hope it's Hungary. It has become a full-blown dictatorship so its place isn't in the EU anymore.

You realize that ban-ejecting countries from the EU will likely move them under the sphere of Russia or PRC?

I mean Hungary is basically an dictatorship now, but given the corona crisis it's not really an big issue.

[Uniy]

I think you'll find they're still part of the already-leaving UK.

"Already-left" actually.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Peel them all off goodbye european onion

onions make me cry, for sure this onion.

Cry for what?SPQR became an onion？

[Oxhac ou Oxitanie]

The EU seems to be the source of most of the conflict in Europe right now though.

Compared to what Europe used to be like, with its near endless wars and constant disputes, I'm still not convinced personally.

It could certainly do with being made better, but I wouldn't rush to jump back into the old world myself.

Preventing wars can be done with a trade union/ free trade zone / mutual non-agression pact / multilateral defense pact / you name it
It does not require standardised production norms, open borders, loss of sovereignty, and the creation of a superstate with an unchecked executive.

[Vassenor]

Compared to what Europe used to be like, with its near endless wars and constant disputes, I'm still not convinced personally.

It could certainly do with being made better, but I wouldn't rush to jump back into the old world myself.

Preventing wars can be done with a trade union/ free trade zone / mutual non-agression pact / multilateral defense pact / you name it
It does not require standardised production norms, open borders, loss of sovereignty, and the creation of a superstate with an unchecked executive.

>superstate with an unchecked executive

what

>loss of sovereignty

Oh here we go again.

[Nazeroth]

Preventing wars can be done with a trade union/ free trade zone / mutual non-agression pact / multilateral defense pact / you name it
It does not require standardised production norms, open borders, loss of sovereignty, and the creation of a superstate with an unchecked executive.

>superstate with an unchecked executive

what

>loss of sovereignty

Oh here we go again.

Everything the eu does can be done with treaties, there isnt a need for a beuocracy which like any bueocracy is self serving

[Oxhac ou Oxitanie]

>superstate with an unchecked executive

what

>loss of sovereignty

Oh here we go again.

2005: European constitution. Netherlands and France vote overwhelmingly against it. Result: EU cancels all other referendums; France and Netherlands are told to accept the terms anyway, because now it is a treaty (of Lisbon)

2013: Greece votes overwhelmingly to object to the terms of the Eurozone financial disaster. Result: their minister of finance is disinvited and they have to accept the terms anyway.

2016: Netherlands vote overwhelmingly against the association treaty with Ukraine. Result: Netherlands are scolded for always being so difficult, don't you dare standing in the way of CETA, and they have to accept the terms anyway.


To me, that reads as a loss of sovereignty and an uncheckable executive.

EDIT for accuracy of one year

[Nakena]

Daily reminder:

Back in the olden days, the opposition from the EU was mostly from the left (and the anti-globalization movement, ATTAC etc.) due it's neoliberal practices and attempts to force them onto various countries in the EU and beyond.

Also the EU and specifically the Commissioners for Neighbourhood and Enlargement Günter Verheugen and Olli Rhen were instrumental in the rise of Erdogan.

[Nazeroth]

Daily reminder:

Back in the olden days, the opposition from the EU was mostly from the left (and the anti-globalization movement, ATTAC etc.) due it's neoliberal practices and attempts to force them onto various countries in the EU and beyond.

Also the EU and specifically the Commissioners for Neighbourhood and Enlargement Günter Verheugen and Olli Rhen were instrumental in the rise of Erdogan.

Yeah but the modern left flipped completley

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

>superstate with an unchecked executive

what

>loss of sovereignty

Oh here we go again.

2005: European constitution. Netherlands and France vote overwhelmingly against it. Result: EU cancels all other referendums; France and Netherlands are told to accept the terms anyway, because now it is a treaty (of Lisbon)

2013: Greece votes overwhelmingly to object to the terms of the Eurozone financial disaster. Result: their minister of finance is disinvited and they have to accept the terms anyway.

2016: Netherlands vote overwhelmingly against the association treaty with Ukraine. Result: Netherlands are scolded for always being so difficult, don't you dare standing in the way of CETA, and they have to accept the terms anyway.


To me, that reads as a loss of sovereignty and an uncheckable executive.

EDIT for accuracy of one year

as result, Nexit parties are growing.

[Vistulange]

Also the EU and specifically the Commissioners for Neighbourhood and Enlargement Günter Verheugen and Olli Rhen were instrumental in the rise of Erdogan.

That's what happens when you think political Islam is the lesser evil compared to Kemalism.

[Mokoro]

Yeah but the modern left flipped completley

The modern left is centre-right.

/ no thread-jacking implied, it explains why the EU has this "there is no alternative" attitude. And then the alternative presented itself on the far right, and now anti status quo is equated with racism. Intellectually dishonest and dangerous, as it continues to drive the disadvantaged voters to the far right. They go for ever more extreme parties, hoping that one of them will be able to break the status quo.

[Heloin]

2005: European constitution. Netherlands and France vote overwhelmingly against it. Result: EU cancels all other referendums; France and Netherlands are told to accept the terms anyway, because now it is a treaty (of Lisbon)

2013: Greece votes overwhelmingly to object to the terms of the Eurozone financial disaster. Result: their minister of finance is disinvited and they have to accept the terms anyway.

2016: Netherlands vote overwhelmingly against the association treaty with Ukraine. Result: Netherlands are scolded for always being so difficult, don't you dare standing in the way of CETA, and they have to accept the terms anyway.


To me, that reads as a loss of sovereignty and an uncheckable executive.

EDIT for accuracy of one year

as result, Nexit parties are growing.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/04/n ... in-the-eu/

[Savojarna]

Daily reminder:

Back in the olden days, the opposition from the EU was mostly from the left (and the anti-globalization movement, ATTAC etc.) due it's neoliberal practices and attempts to force them onto various countries in the EU and beyond.

Also the EU and specifically the Commissioners for Neighbourhood and Enlargement Günter Verheugen and Olli Rhen were instrumental in the rise of Erdogan.

There's a fundamental difference in the resistance to the two. As my sig tells you, I'm both far left and a European federalist (to the point of feeling more attached to Europe as a whole than my own nationality). However, like most far lefties I know, I will still heavily criticise the EU where required, but that's because I want it to improve rather than go away. If I had my way we would replace it with something better, but that's a tough sell - once the EU is gone, we won't have another integration project for a few generations - hence let's try to salvage and reform it. The right, on the other hand, just wants it to be gone. And all the left's criticism of neoliberal practices and undermining democratic power happens just as much on the national level, so I'm not sure why we're specifically looking at the EU here. Liberal "democracy" is just a bit fucked, but doing it on a higher level seems to have some immediate advantages to me. Peace and the freedom to choose where you'd like to live, for starters.

[-Astoria]

Yep,now.But, they would later.

What, leave the EU when they're already out of it?

Are you sure you thought this through?

[South Reinkalistan]

Italy.

Or, and here's an interesting one: Slovenia. While the sentiment is mere kindling (and my source finds it unlikely), it could spiral into something bigger; though I doubt people really care about Slovenia right now, lol.

[Risottia]

It ain't, but whatever floats your boat.

I hope it's Hungary. It has become a full-blown dictatorship so its place isn't in the EU anymore.

They stopped elections in hungary?

Yes.
Also the Parliament voted an Enabling Act stronger than Hitler got in 1933.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52095500


Note that the first measure enacted by decree by the Orban junta after getting new powers is "no more gender reassignment therapy for transgenders" hurr durr. Totally in line with "we're just fighting the Covid pandemic".

[Albrenia]

They stopped elections in hungary?

Yes.
Also the Parliament voted an Enabling Act stronger than Hitler got in 1933.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52095500


Note that the first measure enacted by decree by the Orban junta after getting new powers is "no more gender reassignment therapy for transgenders" hurr durr. Totally in line with "we're just fighting the Covid pandemic".

That seems to be going a long way too far. I'm all for quarantines and the like, but basically making the leader an autocrat seems like a REALLY fucking bad idea.

It says he's a conservative too, is that true?