Slapping Wrists for Treason

[Grenartia]

When did I say that?

" When virtually the entire population engages in the crime, virtually the entire population should do the time. " - You, literally two minutes ago.

I get it, racists aren't people, but at least pretend to control your blood lust.

You apparently missed my literal first post in this thread:

As a Southerner, I firmly say that no mercy should have been given to slavery-defending traitors except to spare their lives. General Sherman did nothing wrong, and he should've done it harder. Bring the Jubilee. Burn all Confederate flags. Pulverize all the Confederate monuments.

[SangMar]

Everyone cries about the atomic bombs being dropped, but honestly they weren’t even that bad. At least, compared to the firebombing of Tokyo in March 1945. That killed between 80,000 to 130,000 people in one night and left a million homeless. It also destroyed over 260,000 buildings.

I was about to make this exact point. Its also worth noting that two nukes accomplished what multiple firebombings and regular bombings, and 4 years of warfare failed to: convinced a people for whom death was generally preferable to surrender, to surrender.

Without the nukes, any invasion of Japan would have necessarily become a functional genocide, and not because of American bloodlust, and hatred for the Japanese but due to nearly ceaseless suicide attacks against American troops by even civilians.

Yes. Many of the civilians who committed suicide on Okinawa by throwing themselves off cliffs illustrated your last point perfectly - they’d been lied too so much about the Americans and what they would do to them that they preferred death over a conflict they weren’t even fighting in. Though, even then - just so no one misunderstands, yes. I’m aware that many Japanese soldiers forced groups of civilians to commit suicide at this time also.

[Heloin]

Hey, if you want to defend slavers with the awful excuse of "don't be violent to them" that's your prerogative. The only thing abolitionists like Brown did wrong was failing to trigger the uprising they wanted.

I’m not defending the slavers. I’m saying that the abolitionists weren’t as good as you are making them out to be.

In what world is killing slavers bad?

[Grenartia]

The Soviet Union was only marginally better than Nazi Germany.

Uhh... like Stalin was god awful no doubt, but he didn’t gas 12 million Jews, Poles, PoWs, Homosexuals, etc.

That's what makes the USSR only marginally better than Nazi Germany. Setting aside the Holodomor (which was awful in and of itself, and definitely preventable), he did engage in promoting hatred against many of those groups (including the Jews), and engaged in many acts of ethnic cleansing by forcibly removing various ethnic minorities from where they lived.

[Kragholm Free States]

This entire thread has only two groups:

Group A: mass punishment and war crimes are unacceptable and inhuman.

Group B: racists aren't human, so they technically have no human rights with which to violate * furiously masturbates while reading, Sherman's March to sea *

I am entirely convinced that American Civil War threads on NSG exist purely as a safe space for people to vent all their edgy internet tough guy comments.

[Joohan]

" When virtually the entire population engages in the crime, virtually the entire population should do the time. " - You, literally two minutes ago.

I get it, racists aren't people, but at least pretend to control your blood lust.

You apparently missed my literal first post in this thread:

As a Southerner, I firmly say that no mercy should have been given to slavery-defending traitors except to spare their lives. General Sherman did nothing wrong, and he should've done it harder. Bring the Jubilee. Burn all Confederate flags. Pulverize all the Confederate monuments.

Oh, my mistake, you don't want to murder everyone - you just want to send them into poverty, deny them their rights, destroy their homes and livelihoods, and rob them of their futures.

The emphatic and humanist route I see.

[Grenartia]

Okay, new rule of war. If you have the moral high ground in your war, you are a great person if you commit war crimes.

Hey, if you want to defend slavers with the awful excuse of "don't be violent to them" that's your prerogative. The only thing abolitionists like Brown did wrong was failing to trigger the uprising they wanted.

Well, Harper's Ferry arguably did set the Civil War in motion (granted, it was pretty much inevitable, but it was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back, the point of no return, even if few at the time realized it).

[Heloin]

You apparently missed my literal first post in this thread:

Oh, my mistake, you don't want to murder everyone - you just want to send them into poverty, deny them their rights, destroy their homes and livelihoods, and rob them of their futures.

The emphatic and humanist route I see.

The plantation owners should have lost everything in 1865, yes.

[Grenartia]

This entire thread has only two groups:

Group A: mass punishment and war crimes are unacceptable and inhuman.

Group B: racists aren't human, so they technically have no human rights with which to violate * furiously masturbates while reading, Sherman's March to sea *

Group B only exists in your imagination.

[Joohan]

This entire thread has only two groups:

Group A: mass punishment and war crimes are unacceptable and inhuman.

Group B: racists aren't human, so they technically have no human rights with which to violate * furiously masturbates while reading, Sherman's March to sea *

I am entirely convinced that American Civil War threads on NSG exist purely as a safe space for people to vent all their edgy internet tough guy comments.

People hiding behind feigned patriotism to justify their feelings about wanting to kill southerners or anyone else they deem racist.

[Aeritai]

Do Civil War Threads always get this heated?

[Joohan]

This entire thread has only two groups:

Group A: mass punishment and war crimes are unacceptable and inhuman.

Group B: racists aren't human, so they technically have no human rights with which to violate * furiously masturbates while reading, Sherman's March to sea *

Group B only exists in your imagination.

" I firmly say that no mercy should have been given to slavery-defending traitors except to spare their lives. General Sherman did nothing wrong, and he should've done it harder. " - you, literally two minutes ago.

[Salus Maior]

Have you ever read "Confederates in the Attic"? It's a good read if you want to understand why Southerners honor the Confederacy.

[Kathol Rift]

I’m not defending the slavers. I’m saying that the abolitionists weren’t as good as you are making them out to be.

In what world is killing slavers bad?

Killing slavers isn’t bad. The thing is, not everyone that was killed by the abolitionists was a slaver, or owned slaves. John Brown killed two kids at Pottawatomie Creek. Do you think those kids deserved to die because their dad owned slaves?

[Grenartia]

This entire thread has only two groups:

Group A: mass punishment and war crimes are unacceptable and inhuman.

Group B: racists aren't human, so they technically have no human rights with which to violate * furiously masturbates while reading, Sherman's March to sea *

I am entirely convinced that American Civil War threads on NSG exist purely as a safe space for people to vent all their edgy internet tough guy comments.

You right now, probably:

[Stellar Colonies]

Do Civil War Threads always get this heated?

Yes

[Atheris]

I am entirely convinced that American Civil War threads on NSG exist purely as a safe space for people to vent all their edgy internet tough guy comments.

You right now, probably:

He's right, though

[Salus Maior]

In what world is killing slavers bad?

Killing slavers isn’t bad. The thing is, not everyone that was killed by the abolitionists was a slaver, or owned slaves. John Brown killed two kids at Pottawatomie Creek. Do you think those kids deserved to die because their dad owned slaves?

It should be noted that he did that in response to the Slavers raiding Free-Soiler settlements.

Bleeding Kansas was pretty damn bad all around.

[Grenartia]

You apparently missed my literal first post in this thread:

Oh, my mistake, you don't want to murder everyone - you just want to send them into poverty, deny them their rights, destroy their homes and livelihoods, and rob them of their futures.

The emphatic and humanist route I see.

Only if they fought for and or materially supported the Confederacy. People like Newton Knight and the other Southern Loyalists who counter-rebelled against the Confederacy or otherwise fought for or materially supported the Union would not suffer any consequences.

[Salus Maior]

Do Civil War Threads always get this heated?

Yeah, the Civil War never really ended.

People still actually die over it.

[Salus Maior]

Oh, my mistake, you don't want to murder everyone - you just want to send them into poverty, deny them their rights, destroy their homes and livelihoods, and rob them of their futures.

The emphatic and humanist route I see.

Only if they fought for and or materially supported the Confederacy. People like Newton Knight and the other Southern Loyalists who counter-rebelled against the Confederacy or otherwise fought for or materially supported the Union would not suffer any consequences.

So, most of the South.

That's not at all viable.

[Grenartia]

I am entirely convinced that American Civil War threads on NSG exist purely as a safe space for people to vent all their edgy internet tough guy comments.

People hiding behind feigned patriotism to justify their feelings about wanting to kill southerners or anyone else they deem racist.

Yes. I, a southerner, want to kill southerners. Yes, I, a committed anti-capital punishment advocate, want to kill anyone at all.

[Grenartia]

Do Civil War Threads always get this heated?

Leeaboos hate being told the South was bad and deserved it.

[Kathol Rift]

Killing slavers isn’t bad. The thing is, not everyone that was killed by the abolitionists was a slaver, or owned slaves. John Brown killed two kids at Pottawatomie Creek. Do you think those kids deserved to die because their dad owned slaves?

It should be noted that he did that in response to the Slavers raiding Free-Soiler settlements.

Bleeding Kansas was pretty damn bad all around.

That’s the point I was trying to make. The person I’m arguing with thinks the abolitionists did nothing wrong, despite them murdering several people who weren’t slavers and committing what are now considered war crimes.

[Aeritai]

Do Civil War Threads always get this heated?

Yeah, the Civil War never really ended.

People still actually die over it.

That's pretty sad that just shows humans like to hold grudges.