Measure of a Man

[Sundiata]

You're a man if you identify as one.

I don't think it's that arbitrary.

[Kazarogkai]

What is the measure of a man. To answer one must first answer what is a man.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You're a man if you identify as one.

I don't think it's that arbitrary.

So what is? Without having to rely on a religious stance, what is the measure of a man?

[Atheris]

What is the measure of a man. To answer one must first answer what is a man.

Depends if you mean the definition of the male gender or the male sex.

Presuming the former, you're a man if you identify as one.
Presuming the latter, you're a man if you have male reproductive organs.

You're a man if you identify as one.

I don't think it's that arbitrary.

Like I said, it depends if you're relying on the definition of the male gender or the male sex.

[Sundiata]

I don't think it's that arbitrary.

So what is? Without having to rely on a religious stance, what is the measure of a man?

In principle, being a male who lives the 7 lively virtues.

[Auzkhia]

I have no idea what makes a man.

But whatever it is, I don't got it, because I know I am not a man.

[Giovenith]

You must be-

We must be swift as the coursing river
With all the force of a great typhoon
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon

GODFUCKINGDAMMIT

[Dytarma]

How, isn't that the literal definition of a man?

Don't mistake very simplistic and super basic for literal.

Oh, I got one then. People born with a Y chromosome.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So what is? Without having to rely on a religious stance, what is the measure of a man?

In principle, being a male who lives the 7 lively virtues.

Again, I’m not looking for a religious stance. What is the measure of a man? Biological? Social? Personal? What is?

[Atheris]

So what is? Without having to rely on a religious stance, what is the measure of a man?

In principle, being a male who lives the 7 lively virtues.

But I don't believe in the 7 lively virtues. The 7 lively virtues were never defined by anything besides the Catholic Church.

Even if they were defined in, say, the Bible, then would a man be a woman if he didn't experience all 7 of the "lively virtues"? After all, you can only be one or the other.

What if a woman didn't live the "7 virtues"? Would she be a man?

[Neanderthaland]

You must be-

We must be swift as the coursing river
With all the force of a great typhoon
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon

GODFUCKINGDAMMIT

You were not swift as the coursing river.

... please don't ban me with the force of a great typhoon.

[Sundiata]

Like I said, it depends if you're relying on the definition of the male gender or the male sex.

Excluding serious genetic abnormalities, the former necessitates the latter.

[Atheris]

Like I said, it depends if you're relying on the definition of the male gender or the male sex.

Excluding serious genetic abnormalities, the former necessitates the latter.

No, it doesn't.

The definition of gender is the cultural characteristics of either of the two sexes to differentiate them. The definition of sex is the biological differences between men and women.

You can be a female man, or a male woman. That's the definition of transgender.

[Sundiata]

Excluding serious genetic abnormalities, the former necessitates the latter.

No, it doesn't.

The definition of gender is the characteristics of either of the two sexes to differentiate them. The definition of sex is the biological differences between men and women.

You can be a female man, or a male woman. That's the definition of transgender.

I respectfully disagree.

[Atheris]

No, it doesn't.

The definition of gender is the characteristics of either of the two sexes to differentiate them. The definition of sex is the biological differences between men and women.

You can be a female man, or a male woman. That's the definition of transgender.

I respectfully disagree.

And I'll respect your opinion, but you're factually wrong, according to multiple dictionary definitions and Wikipedia, which is a reliable source.

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"gen·der
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noun
1.
either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."

"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex, sex-based social structures, or gender identity."

[Vetalia]

I had heard it was because the stars disappear as the sun approaches, and so you perceive the night as darker, even though it is factually not. But this makes sense too.

It undoubtedly also involves moonrise and moonset, too, but the fourth watch of the night would have been right around this time. There's also the biphasic sleep pattern that was the norm in pre-industrial Europe where people were awake between two periods of sleep, typically in the early morning hours, before going to back to bed again.

[Auzkhia]

Excluding serious genetic abnormalities, the former necessitates the latter.

No, it doesn't.

The definition of gender is the cultural characteristics of either of the two sexes to differentiate them. The definition of sex is the biological differences between men and women.

You can be a female man, or a male woman. That's the definition of transgender.

Trans women aren't male, and trans men aren't female. They are their gender in spite of being assigned assigned the wrong gender. Even then, that's not all of gender, as there some who are neither, such as non-binary people.

Calling trans women "male women" only seeks to other them even more.

[Sundiata]

I respectfully disagree.

And I'll respect your opinion, but you're factually wrong, according to multiple dictionary definitions and Wikipedia, which is a reliable source.

Dictionaries tend to reflect contemporary definitions rather than factual truth. That is not to say they can't, but these definitions are more so a sign of our times.

[Neanderthaland]

And I'll respect your opinion, but you're factually wrong, according to multiple dictionary definitions and Wikipedia, which is a reliable source.

Dictionaries tend to reflect contemporary definitions rather than factual truth. That is not to say they can't, but these definitions are more so a sign of our times.

Those in Gothic Cathedrals shouldn't throw stones.

[Ethel mermania]

Many of us are like St. Peter in that way, especially myself, but the darkest hour is before the dawn.

Why do people say that? The darkest hour is midway between astronomical sunset and astronomical sunrise.

i just wondering which of you moderator types is sitting this one out for the inevitable wailing and gnashing of the teeth?

[Ethel mermania]

Dictionaries tend to reflect contemporary definitions rather than factual truth. That is not to say they can't, but these definitions are more so a sign of our times.

Those in Gothic Cathedrals shouldn't throw stones.

hernia risk?

[Atheris]

Those in Gothic Cathedrals shouldn't throw stones.

hernia risk?

Moreso the risk of sparking one against a brick and lighting it on fire.

[Sundiata]

Dictionaries tend to reflect contemporary definitions rather than factual truth. That is not to say they can't, but these definitions are more so a sign of our times.

Those in Gothic Cathedrals shouldn't throw stones.

I personally wouldn't dare; I was instructed not to.

[Sundiata]

Many of us are like St. Peter in that way, especially myself, but the darkest hour is before the dawn.

Why do people say that? The darkest hour is midway between astronomical sunset and astronomical sunrise.

I don't know.

[Cekoviu]

Don't mistake very simplistic and super basic for literal.

Oh, I got one then. People born with a Y chromosome.

Getting colder, bud.