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What Religion will last the Longest?

Catholicism
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Christianity (in general)
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29%
Islam
32
12%
Buddhism
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5%
Atheism (even though its not a religion)
113
42%
 
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Fri May 08, 2020 12:52 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:So, there is no set doctrine. It's totally up to you. Seems pointless.

There is not one set doctrine in Christianity either.

What are they?
As far as I know, we have one doctrine. It's called the Bible.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri May 08, 2020 12:54 pm

Velosia wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I seriously doubt that would catch on.
It would die within a few years.

Every other religion essentially started the same way, why couldn't it happen again?


I mean look at Wicca. It started in the 1950's, and it has a growth rate of 143%.

My honest bet is that America will become a Pagan nation before too much longer.
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Postby Velosia » Fri May 08, 2020 12:57 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:I mean look at Wicca. It started in the 1950's, and it has a growth rate of 143%.

My honest bet is that America will become a Pagan nation before too much longer.

Also, with any luck, the United Kingdom will become a nation of Jedi Knights before too long.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 08, 2020 12:58 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:There is not one set doctrine in Christianity either.

What are they?
As far as I know, we have one doctrine. It's called the Bible.

Which has been interpreted in so many different ways and has so many different translations that yo war with each other as much as you war with those of other religions
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Fri May 08, 2020 12:59 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:What are they?
As far as I know, we have one doctrine. It's called the Bible.

Which has been interpreted in so many different ways and has so many different translations that yo war with each other as much as you war with those of other religions

We war over the minor things. Our central message is the same. Jesus died on the cross for my sins that I might be able to live forever with him in Heaven. That He rose again three days later to defeat death and ultimately Satan himself.
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"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri May 08, 2020 1:01 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Velosia wrote:Every other religion essentially started the same way, why couldn't it happen again?


I mean look at Wicca. It started in the 1950's, and it has a growth rate of 143%.

My honest bet is that America will become a Pagan nation before too much longer.


Define what you mean by "too much longer" and I might take that bet.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Fri May 08, 2020 1:02 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I mean look at Wicca. It started in the 1950's, and it has a growth rate of 143%.

My honest bet is that America will become a Pagan nation before too much longer.


Define what you mean by "too much longer" and I might take that bet.

It already is, for the most part. The US is one of the few nations on Earth that actually allows things like abortions.
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"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri May 08, 2020 1:04 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Define what you mean by "too much longer" and I might take that bet.

It already is, for the most part. The US is one of the few nations on Earth that actually allows things like abortions.


Allowing abortions is not the same thing as pagan, and loads of nations allow abortions.
Everything is intertwinkled

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 08, 2020 1:06 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Which has been interpreted in so many different ways and has so many different translations that yo war with each other as much as you war with those of other religions

We war over the minor things. Our central message is the same. Jesus died on the cross for my sins that I might be able to live forever with him in Heaven. That He rose again three days later to defeat death and ultimately Satan himself.

And the Buddhist central message is the same, namely the 4 noble truths. And...I am pretty sure the mormons believe something somewhat different from what you just said, as do the JWs. Also, you war of more then just minor things, or is how a person gets into heaven a minor thing?
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Fri May 08, 2020 1:08 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:We war over the minor things. Our central message is the same. Jesus died on the cross for my sins that I might be able to live forever with him in Heaven. That He rose again three days later to defeat death and ultimately Satan himself.

And the Buddhist central message is the same, namely the 4 noble truths. And...I am pretty sure the mormons believe something somewhat different from what you just said, as do the JWs. Also, you war of more then just minor things, or is how a person gets into heaven a minor thing?

Buddhists do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Mormonism is again a cult and believes in some rather ridiculous things. The only difference between how we get to heaven is held between Catholics and protestants and is largely why the Protestant Reformation happened.
Right-leaning American Christian. Guns are fun. Space is fun too.
gender and biology are the same thing, sorry
I respect your right to ruin your life, but I don't have to celebrate it

"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 08, 2020 1:10 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:And the Buddhist central message is the same, namely the 4 noble truths. And...I am pretty sure the mormons believe something somewhat different from what you just said, as do the JWs. Also, you war of more then just minor things, or is how a person gets into heaven a minor thing?

Buddhists do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Mormonism is again a cult and believes in some rather ridiculous things. The only difference between how we get to heaven is held between Catholics and protestants and is largely why the Protestant Reformation happened.

I never said they did...Mormonism being a cult is irrelevant it is still Christian. Is it works, is it belief, is once having believed enough if you no longer believe? These are not minor, differences this is about whether people live in eternal bliss with god or go to hell/cease to exist.
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Postby Fuzzbuckets » Fri May 08, 2020 1:17 pm

Christianity. Many Christians do a lot of missionary work all over the globe.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Fri May 08, 2020 1:18 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Buddhists do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Mormonism is again a cult and believes in some rather ridiculous things. The only difference between how we get to heaven is held between Catholics and protestants and is largely why the Protestant Reformation happened.

I never said they did...Mormonism being a cult is irrelevant it is still Christian. Is it works, is it belief, is once having believed enough if you no longer believe? These are not minor, differences.

"For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26
"...nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus and not by works of the law..." Galatians 2:16
Works are important and should be done, but faith is the more important aspect.
God says that he will not forsake us, so I do believe that once saved, you are always saved. Although someone who was truly and actually saved will most likely remain a Christian their whole life.
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gender and biology are the same thing, sorry
I respect your right to ruin your life, but I don't have to celebrate it

"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 08, 2020 1:23 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I never said they did...Mormonism being a cult is irrelevant it is still Christian. Is it works, is it belief, is once having believed enough if you no longer believe? These are not minor, differences.

"For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26
"...nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus and not by works of the law..." Galatians 2:16
Works are important and should be done, but faith is the more important aspect.
God says that he will not forsake us, so I do believe that once saved, you are always saved. Although someone who was truly and actually saved will most likely remain a Christian their whole life.

And others believe that it is one or the other. You stating your particular interpretation does not mean that others do not exist.
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Postby Dangine » Fri May 08, 2020 1:25 pm

Well because Atheism is an option I will say that. It's just not believing in a god or gods which has existed since the beginning of time.
Edit: If I had to choose a religion, I would say Hinduism even though it's not an option. Hinduism is one of the five major religions and is the oldest religion in the world, it is also popular in the second-largest country in the world and with those factors combined, I don't see it stopping anytime soon.
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Postby Deacarsia » Fri May 08, 2020 1:31 pm

The Catholic Church will last until the end of time.

“Behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.” (Matthew 28:20)
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Postby Deacarsia » Fri May 08, 2020 1:50 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:"For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26
"...nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus and not by works of the law..." Galatians 2:16
Works are important and should be done, but faith is the more important aspect.
God says that he will not forsake us, so I do believe that once saved, you are always saved. Although someone who was truly and actually saved will most likely remain a Christian their whole life.

And others believe that it is one or the other. You stating your particular interpretation does not mean that others do not exist.

The Bible is not subject to private interpretation, but must be properly understood through the ministry of the Church, who compiled and defined the canon of Scripture in the first place.

“Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.” (2 Peter 1:20)

“If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.” (Canon IX, Council of Trent, January 13, 1547)

“If any one saith, that he will for certain, of an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end,-unless he have learned this by special revelation; let him be anathema.” (Canon XVI, Council of Trent, January 13, 1547)
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 08, 2020 2:03 pm

Deacarsia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:And others believe that it is one or the other. You stating your particular interpretation does not mean that others do not exist.

The Bible is not subject to private interpretation, but must be properly understood through the ministry of the Church, who compiled and defined the canon of Scripture in the first place.
And each of the thousands of various Christian denominations have said the same thing...guess what, they still disagree ith each other. Hell, there are churches that disagree with which texts are in fact canonical.

The claims the poster I was responding to hold just as much for Christianity as they do for Buddhism. The adaptability of both those religions does not mean there is no central tenants, only that they are more adaptable due to the nature of said central tenants that makes them more adaptable and thus more likely to survive.
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Postby Albrenia » Fri May 08, 2020 2:42 pm

My guess with be Atheism of the weak agnostic variety. No matter how long humanity persists there will always be a fraction of the population who either don't know or don't care if any religion is true.

Been true for literally tens of thousands of years, I suspect.

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Postby The Sladerstan » Fri May 08, 2020 2:44 pm

I think Christianity and Islam will go on the longest

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Postby La Xinga » Fri May 08, 2020 2:44 pm

Judaism

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Postby Menassa » Fri May 08, 2020 2:47 pm

To everyone who has said Christianity or Islam:

Why is there any indication that these religions will last any longer than Judaism, which still exists, despite being a thousand years older?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri May 08, 2020 3:28 pm

Menassa wrote:To everyone who has said Christianity or Islam:

Why is there any indication that these religions will last any longer than Judaism, which still exists, despite being a thousand years older?


Well, by and large because Judaism doesn't really expand. They've remained as 0.2% of the population for like.... forever.
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 08, 2020 3:29 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Menassa wrote:To everyone who has said Christianity or Islam:

Why is there any indication that these religions will last any longer than Judaism, which still exists, despite being a thousand years older?


Well, by and large because Judaism doesn't really expand. They've remained as 0.2% of the population for like.... forever.

And forever is exactly how long they need to last the longest. :p

But seriously, size doesn't matter in this instance, just ask the Zoroastrians.
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Postby Qabea » Fri May 08, 2020 4:04 pm

Christ will rise again before any of the big religions collapse. ;)
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