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Which one are you?

Authleft (various iterations of Marxism-Leninism + otaku left)
4
8%
Authright (traditionalists, ethnocentrists, nationalists)
3
6%
Libleft (labor activists, mainstream feminists, tree-huggers, social democrats)
21
40%
Libright (neoliberals, capitalists, white-wannabes)
3
6%
Silent Majority: CCP NPC
2
4%
Silent Majority: Traditionalist
2
4%
Silent Majority: Gamer
4
8%
Silent Majority: 富二代
0
No votes
Other
5
9%
SARS-CoV-2
9
17%
 
Total votes : 53

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Political Spectrum/Compass in China

Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Thu May 07, 2020 5:29 pm

Thought I'd create a thread about the political spectrum in China, since there seems to be a lot of discussion of China's politics and economy on here - but not on what Chinese nationals and netizens actually think.

https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/chinas- ... i-jinping/

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Simplistic 2-axis model from 2014


2017 academic study on the views of Chinese nationals
China’s Ideological Spectrum
Jennifer Pan, Stanford University
Yiqing Xu, University of California, San Diego

The study of ideology in authoritarian regimes—of how public preferences are configured and constrained—has received relatively little scholarly attention. Using data from a large-scale online survey, we study ideology in China. We find that public preferences are weakly constrained, and the configuration of preferences is multidimensional, but the latent traits of these dimensions are highly correlated. Those who prefer authoritarian rule are more likely to support nationalism, state intervention in the economy, and traditional social values; those who prefer democratic institutions and values are more likely to support market reforms but less likely to be nationalistic and less likely to support traditional social values. This latter set of preferences appears more in provinces with higher levels of development and among wealthier and better-educated respondents. These findings suggest that preferences are not simply split along a pro-regime or anti-regime cleavage and indicate a possible link between China’s economic reform and ideology.


What the above might look like in map form
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Here is a more recent version containing a tasteful shoutout to the apathetic Silent Majority:
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CCP - Chinese Communist Party.

Pinky (小粉红) - a derogatory term for vocal, hyper-nationalistic netizens who voluntarily defend ccp on all issues.(more descriptions)

Industrial-holic(工业党) - an intellectual group that worships industrial revolution and believes all political and social structure should be subservient to industrialization.

Ruguanist(入关学) - a recently emerged online group using cryptic 17th century history analogy to convey their message, that US is a declining empire and China should take over its place as the center of world order, by any means necessary.

Falungong(法轮功) - a religious cult purged and expelled by CCP from mainland China in 1999, now operates many far right medias based in US to spread anti-CCP messages on internet.

New Left(新左派) - a broad term for the new generation of serious leftists in china, often focused on criticizing the chinese economic reform and its neoliberal tendencies.(wiki)

Otaku Left(宅左) - a term for the phenomenon of growing leftist tendency among japanese anime-loving teenagers in China.

996ICU - a non-cooperation movement against the forced overtime working culture in China, launched in march 2019.(wiki)

Countryside Feminist(田园女权) - a derogatory term to describe many chinese women who label themselves as feminists but cherry pick the rights they want while evading social responsibilities.

Minyun(民运) - short for "Chinese Democracy Movements", mainly protesters and sympathizers of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protest, most of them were later driven out from china and continued to vocally oppose one-party rule.(wiki)

Auntologist(姨学) - a cult-like following of a historian called Liu Zhongjing and his extremely(wacky) anti-ccp, anti-progressivism ideology that promoted the complete balkanization of China and Han chinese.(if you really want to know more)

Hong Kong Pan-Democrat - Pan-Democracy Camp is the main opposition camp in Hong Kong politics and major participant of the ongoing protest.(wiki))


More on the Silent Majority
In the centre four squares you have:

(Authleft) The CCP NPC: "Well diaoyudao is Chinese, CCTV said so!"

(Authright) The Traditionalist: "Hot water is good for the healthy"

(Libleft) The Gamer: "I just want to smoke and drink and go to the internet cafe and play League"

(Libright) The Fuerdai: "Can you pass me my Canada Goose jacket?"



Thoughts on how this compares and contrasts with the political spectrum in other countries?
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Postby New Jewlan » Thu May 07, 2020 5:32 pm

When in doubt,
Pinky out.

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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Thu May 07, 2020 11:51 pm

Lol I wonder who the 5 people who voted in the poll are.
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Postby Nakena » Thu May 07, 2020 11:52 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:Lol I wonder who the 5 people who voted in the poll are.


I voted for other.

Because I am not really sure whats going on here, but it's dank af for sure!

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Postby Skeckoa » Fri May 08, 2020 12:49 am

I of course can not attest to the accuracy of anything that OP posted. I know many Chinese people, but all of them either immigrated very young, or their parents were born in China. I also know a few people from Hong Kong on the internet. IE, i really don't know.

But I have always expected that there is much more nuance to Chinese political thoughts on the street than what is acknowledged in the media I consume. This image was very funny, and I will share it.

Here's to hoping that its like actually super-problematic.


I think that different and sometimes arbitrary issues encompass very pertinent divides among society. For example, the urban/rural distinction is a very active and pertinent divide in United States as well as China, but for different reasons.

I guess that that differs alot from the politics of lets say, Hong Kong, where the biggest divide is the spectrum of "How much are we HongKongers verses being Chinese?". Obviously that question that divides Hong Kong does not divide China in the same way.
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Postby Raider Clans » Fri May 08, 2020 12:58 am

Time to embrace Ruguanist thought???

Also that political compass is hilarious lol
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Fri May 08, 2020 3:22 am

Dammit Basically accurate .
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Fri May 08, 2020 11:33 am

Raider Clans wrote:Time to embrace Ruguanist thought???

Also that political compass is hilarious lol


Idk who came up with this but Fully Automated Gay Space Luxury Socialism With Chinese Characteristics ftw
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edit: someone added Simplified Chinese subtitles
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 08, 2020 12:10 pm

These political compasses are indeed interesting, but I am a bit disappointed to not see any references to Taiwan.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 08, 2020 3:22 pm

In terms of the chart at-top, I would probably side with the social democrats and reformers, but that would be more because of my dislike for Communism in particular rather than authoritarianism in general. In terms of the second chart I would be the "Neo-Confucianist".

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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Fri May 08, 2020 3:34 pm

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Postby Auslus » Fri May 08, 2020 5:21 pm

What is SARS Cov-2 even supposed to mean?

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Postby Nakena » Sat May 09, 2020 3:33 am

Auslus wrote:What is SARS Cov-2 even supposed to mean?


It's just a random entry I guess.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 09, 2020 6:55 am

Why is there a political compass for China when the CCP is forever your queen?
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Postby Antityranicals » Sat May 09, 2020 8:56 am

Definitely with the Liberals. I'm probably way over-the-top in that direction.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat May 09, 2020 3:14 pm

Currently, I am reading the academic article posted in the OP. It is kind of long, but I find it interesting.

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Postby Nakena » Sat May 09, 2020 3:15 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Why is there a political compass for China when the CCP is forever your queen?


Things may be not as monolithic as they look from the outside.

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Postby Stellonia » Sat May 09, 2020 10:36 pm

I see OP goes on r/PoliticalCompassMemes.

Shouldn't the Chinese political compass be a single point?

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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Wed May 13, 2020 4:53 pm

Stellonia wrote:I see OP goes on r/PoliticalCompassMemes.

Shouldn't the Chinese political compass be a single point?


I saw this cross-posted elsewhere.

And no country's political compass is ever just a single point. Even within the CCP there's bound to be some range of differing opinions among party members.
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Bienenhalde wrote:Currently, I am reading the academic article posted in the OP. It is kind of long, but I find it interesting.


I read the article a few years ago. It was pretty interesting.
Survey questions and existing debates
The zuobiao survey comprises 50 statements with responses on a 4-point scale—“strongly disagree,” “disagree,” “agree,” and “strongly agree.” The statements are randomly ordered for each respondent. The zuobiao website only records a respondent’s answers if responses to all 50 statements are obtained. As a result, there are no missing data in the sample.

We group the 50 questions into seven categories: (1) political institutions, (2) individual freedom, (3) market economy,
(4) capital and labor, (5) economic sovereignty and globalization, (6) nationalism, and (7) traditionalism.10

These categories represent areas where cleavages in public preferences, were they to exist, would most likely be found. We identify these sources of potential cleavage based on prior academic research as well as the substance of debates among Chinese intellectuals and elites.11


We find that although preferences are less constrained than what has been observed in competitive democracies, they are grouped in systematic ways that reflect known debates about China’s political, economic, and social trajectory. Preferences are best described as multidimensional. A three-dimensional CFA model best characterizes the configuration of preferences in our data. Preferences diverge between (1) liberal versus conservative views of political institutions and individual freedoms, (2) promarket and nontraditional social values versus antimarket and traditional values, and (3) nationalism.

At the individual level, these latent traits are highly correlated. Individuals with liberal values are also more likely to welcome market-oriented economic
polices and embrace nontraditional values and less likely to subscribe to nationalism
while individuals who are politically conservative are more likely to support greater state intervention in the economy, subscribe to traditional, conservative social values, and be nationalistic. In China’s ideological spectrum, preferences for liberal, promarket, nontraditional, and nonnationalistic values are associated with higher levels of education, income, and regional development.

The relationship we identify between economic structure and divergent preferences is not causal, and our evidence is consistent with several different explanations of this relationship. The alignment of preferences could directly result from material self-interest—as people become wealthier, they wish to protect economic property through certain types of liberal political institutions. Alternatively, these preferences may have emerged because those who are wealthier and better educated have greater exposure to ideas of political liberalism and free markets. Another potential explanation not ruled out by these data is that education, urbanization, and higher incomes influence attitudes through some form of cognitive mobilization. These preferences may also be related to psychological factors and personality traits related to authority and risk-taking (Hetherington and Weiler 2009). We cannot rule out the reverse relationship, that the configurations of preferences may influence economic outcomes.



You might also find this interview transcript interesting.
http://cnpolitics.org/wp-content/upload ... oodman.pdf

Q. In your book, you also mentioned that the Chinese middle class is deeply embedded in the party-state. What kind of political implications does this have?
A. Essentially it means that the middle class are state reinforcing, and likely to be limited in size, scale and impact. There is a widespread expectation in the rest of the world that a growing middle class will necessarily lead to liberal democracy of the Anglo-American kind(s) in China. I beg to differ. China's politics are certainly changing with economic development but it is to easy an equation to see all socio-economic development as leading to the same goal.

Q. How do you think the relationship between the middle class and the party-state affect their middle class attitudes?
A. Greatly. But in this case there are middle class attitudes are state supporting and reinforcing. The middle class have been major beneficiaries of three decades of reform and economic growth. They don't want to risk their wealth, status and power. Though of course they are more altruistic than any section of the subordinate classes.

Q. What do you mean by altruistic, in terms of what? And how does that tie into their relationship with the party-state?
A. The evidence from recent research (for example: Marty Whyte, Chin Kwan Lee, Beibei Tang) is that it is the middle class(es) who have concerns about the increased inequalities in Chinese society, rather than those (the subordinate classes) who are most disadvantaged by recent (last three decades) changes. How does tie in with their relationship to party-state? To a large extent it seems they see themselves as loyal opposition. Critical of state policies, but not of the state as system.


Q. If most people in China still belong to the subordinate classes, what kind of political attitude do you think they have? How would this affect China’s political development?
A. In general around the world the subordinate classes are characterised by their authoritarian personalities - they are angry about their status but defenders of the status quo. Generally speaking (and despite Chairman Mao's articulation of counter ideas) subordinate classes do not lead political change they only provide the cannon fodder.

Q. Why do you think this is? How is their dissatisfaction with the status quo and the defending attitude different from the middle class dissatisfaction and defending of the status quo?
A. The subordinate classes see things more individually. They object to the injustices wrought upon them not as generalised systemic injustices but as the acts of governments and officials. They complain that roads have been built through their houses, that schools have not been provided in their new residential areas where they were essentially forced to buy apartments, or that there is a lack of transport facilities in new residential areas. The middle classes may have these immediate concerns too but some sections of the middle class (and it is by no means everyone in the middle class) see the systemic problems that have come with the changes of the last three decades. And their complaints are raised on behalf of other (often more generalised) people. At the same time, most members of the middle class know when and why they are well off, and that’s because of their close relationship to the state.


All of this is consistent with the anonymous Redditor's answer I linked in that other thread on what the political cleavage in China might actually look like.
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Postby Munkcestrian RepubIic » Wed May 13, 2020 5:53 pm

Being a Northumbrian nationalist, I am completely in support of Liu Zhongjing Thought.

It was never a meme.
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Postby Stellonia » Wed May 13, 2020 6:18 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
Stellonia wrote:I see OP goes on r/PoliticalCompassMemes.

Shouldn't the Chinese political compass be a single point?


I saw this cross-posted elsewhere.

And no country's political compass is ever just a single point. Even within the CCP there's bound to be some range of differing opinions among party members.

That was meant as a witty remark on the Chinese government's lack of tolerance for dissent.

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Postby The Sladerstan » Wed May 13, 2020 6:22 pm

Excuse me but I fit no where in the poll :blush:
I'm a Social Conservative but an Economic Leftist...

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed May 13, 2020 6:31 pm

The best political movement in China was, ironically, established by Koreans.
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