Coding/programming discussion thread

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

I know a little bit of Python, C++, Bash, and JavaScript. I'm not super experienced in any of them, but Python is the one I have the most experience with.

Currently, I'm learning C++ (as part of a class in my school) and I'm trying to learn to make user interfaces in Python and GTK+.

[Cekoviu]

I sometimes use an online C compiler, here: https://www.onlinegdb.com/online_c_compiler
It's useful in the classroom sometimes. We teachers aren't allowed to install stuff.

It might be worth checking out http://www.repl.it. Without paying money privacy isn't really a thing but it lets you code and run in a whole host of different languages. You can also connect to github from it, although that can be a bit of a hassle. On a related note, if your school blocks github, you can still access it via git.

Also, for shorter code snippets, tio.run is useful.

[Cekoviu]

I know a little bit of Python, C++, Bash, and JavaScript. I'm not super experienced in any of them, but Python is the one I have the most experience with.

Currently, I'm learning C++ (as part of a class in my school) and I'm trying to learn to make user interfaces in Python and GTK+.

Ugh, don't get me started on GTK+. It's horrible and you're very brave to try using it.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

I know a little bit of Python, C++, Bash, and JavaScript. I'm not super experienced in any of them, but Python is the one I have the most experience with.

Currently, I'm learning C++ (as part of a class in my school) and I'm trying to learn to make user interfaces in Python and GTK+.

Ugh, don't get me started on GTK+. It's horrible and you're very brave to try using it.

I'm mainly learning it because of the amount of open source software that depends on it.

Would it be better to learn Qt and KDE Frameworks, then?

[Cekoviu]

Ugh, don't get me started on GTK+. It's horrible and you're very brave to try using it.

I'm mainly learning it because of the amount of open source software that depends on it.

Would it be better to learn Qt and KDE Frameworks, then?

Yeah, that's fair, but it's a shame that FOSS uses it so much.
Qt is at least a bit better than GTK+, but it has its own set of problems as well. With regards to graphical toolkits, it seems like the only winning move is not to play and shun graphical interfaces altogether.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

I'm mainly learning it because of the amount of open source software that depends on it.

Would it be better to learn Qt and KDE Frameworks, then?

Yeah, that's fair, but it's a shame that FOSS uses it so much.
Qt is at least a bit better than GTK+, but it has its own set of problems as well. With regards to graphical toolkits, it seems like the only winning move is not to play and shun graphical interfaces altogether.

Fair enough. CLI will always be easier to program than GUI, I suppose.

[Cekoviu]

Yeah, that's fair, but it's a shame that FOSS uses it so much.
Qt is at least a bit better than GTK+, but it has its own set of problems as well. With regards to graphical toolkits, it seems like the only winning move is not to play and shun graphical interfaces altogether.

Fair enough. CLI will always be easier to program than GUI, I suppose.

Easier to program, often easier to learn, and more portable. There are situations where you need GUIs, but a lot of the time, one can solve a problem just as well or better with a CLI program.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'm mainly learning it because of the amount of open source software that depends on it.

Would it be better to learn Qt and KDE Frameworks, then?

Yeah, that's fair, but it's a shame that FOSS uses it so much.
Qt is at least a bit better than GTK+, but it has its own set of problems as well. With regards to graphical toolkits, it seems like the only winning move is not to play and shun graphical interfaces altogether.

Depending on your needs, https://www.electronjs.org/ might be an option for GUIs as apps on the computer. HTML5, javascript and the chromium browser engine under the hood.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Yeah, that's fair, but it's a shame that FOSS uses it so much.
Qt is at least a bit better than GTK+, but it has its own set of problems as well. With regards to graphical toolkits, it seems like the only winning move is not to play and shun graphical interfaces altogether.

Depending on your needs, https://www.electronjs.org/ might be an option for GUIs as apps on the computer. HTML5, javascript and the chromium browser engine under the hood.

Well, I do happen to know a lot of HTML5 and CSS3, but my JavaScript needs some work if I'm going to be making fully realized apps.

[Cekoviu]

Yeah, that's fair, but it's a shame that FOSS uses it so much.
Qt is at least a bit better than GTK+, but it has its own set of problems as well. With regards to graphical toolkits, it seems like the only winning move is not to play and shun graphical interfaces altogether.

Depending on your needs, https://www.electronjs.org/ might be an option for GUIs as apps on the computer. HTML5, javascript and the chromium browser engine under the hood.

Yeah, but then you might run into issues with the embedded Chromium version being outdated and taking up an inordinate amount of RAM.

[The Blaatschapen]

Depending on your needs, https://www.electronjs.org/ might be an option for GUIs as apps on the computer. HTML5, javascript and the chromium browser engine under the hood.

Yeah, but then you might run into issues with the embedded Chromium version being outdated and taking up an inordinate amount of RAM.

"inordinate amount of RAM" is my nickname

[Cekoviu]

Yeah, but then you might run into issues with the embedded Chromium version being outdated and taking up an inordinate amount of RAM.

"inordinate amount of RAM" is my nickname

Wow, I walked right into that one, didn't I?

[Northwest Slobovia]

I got into coding - well, I prefer to call it "programming" - in the early '80s when I was given a Sinclair ZX Spectrum

Ah, such a wonderful little machine! Practically nothing inside it, but it did a surprising amount of work with that little bit of hardware.

[Cisairse]

CGDT isn't good enough for this topic? sad

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I majored in embedded programming in the University, and I used C at that time.I became a java engineer after graduation（dammit).I think I'm very young because I only graduated three years ago.Last year, I did some research and development work in the optical router Department of a large communication company.Also responsible for Python and go so that C engineers can concentrate on router algorithms.So now I'm moving to an Internet company to develop Internet applications,use my favourite Java.Notepad++ is very easy to use.I like it.I usually use idea.Recently, the project team used a fuck tool ----jSqlBox.I searched the whole Internet and didn't see anyone discuss it.The development manual is very simple.When something goes wrong, I have to read the source code again and again I love programming because it's cool and I get a good salary

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I know a little bit of Python, C++, Bash, and JavaScript. I'm not super experienced in any of them, but Python is the one I have the most experience with.

Currently, I'm learning C++ (as part of a class in my school) and I'm trying to learn to make user interfaces in Python and GTK+.

Ugh, don't get me started on GTK+. It's horrible and you're very brave to try using it.

Oh gad,I don't want to recall that experience of GTK+.

[Hirota]

Powershell doesn't really count I suppose, but MS is pushing it more and more to administer enterprise apps like Azure and 365, so I guess it's part of my profession. I tend to use Visual Studio Code, which I picked mainly because I can use it to learn Python in the future

[Albrenia]

I'm currently, very slowly learning some basic coding but only in a simple Game Maker Studio thing. So I'm not sure if that even counts.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

Just a hobbyist -- I know C# and some R (and bash, if that counts). For C#, I use MonoDevelop (used to use Visual Studio before I migrated to Linux), and for R, I use RStudio. For languages other than those, I just use Kate.

I also tried to learn C++, but manual memory management is very confusing coming from a C# background, so I quit.

Yeah C# is very similar to Java in that regard.

I’d like to be more involved in coding but my primary device (an IPad) isn’t up for the challenge.

https://andrewbrookins.com/tech/can-you ... n-an-ipad/

There are several types of programs I write, some more frequently than others, that my development environment needed to satisfy:

[*]Backend programs, typically web applications and APIs
[*]JavaScript components and single-page applications
[*]Native applications (previously, macOS apps)
[*]Mobile applications (iOS, Android apps)
[*]Text editor plugins

None of these types of programs can be written directly on the iPad, using iOS programs, for a few reasons:

[*]The OS doesn’t allow you to run web servers, compile code, run code on a connected mobile device, or anything else that a programmer needs; so the code itself needs to be somewhere else (I’m sort of okay with this)
[*]There are no good native editors that work well with remote code (I’m not okay with this)
[*]Apple refuses to allow the user to modify running programs in any meaningful way, through the injection of plugin code (I’m not okay with this)

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Ooh, Docker. Would really like to get some hand-on experience with that. From what I've read, it seems incredibly useful/powerful.

It is more like the system operation and maintenance personnel need to use. I've only used its quick deployment capabilities.But it's really convenient, because I don't need to rebuild an environment on Linux.

[Cekoviu]

I'm currently, very slowly learning some basic coding but only in a simple Game Maker Studio thing. So I'm not sure if that even counts.

Oh yeah, I used to use the predecessor to that when I was first getting into computers. IIRC, Game Maker Studio is more code-focused and well-documented than its predecessors, which makes it relatively more powerful.

[Cisairse]

Any other Lispers here?

[95X]

A few months back, someone sent me the link to the code for Spyglass—I'd never tried Python before. When I opened the code, I was pleasantly surprised by how readable Python is, considering I'd never seen it before. So I borrowed a 'learn python for beginners' book from the public library and downloaded the Python3 programming environment, where I learned the concepts in just the first few chapters covered every concept I "learned" in high school.

Back in high school I got some exposure to QBasic, which I would later expand on myself because QBasic was included on MS DOS and Windows from QBasic's inception through Windows 98 SE; Pascal, I don't remember any of it though; C++ ,extremely simple single-file programs though; and HTML, again very basic stuff when making a website meant handwriting the HTML and uploading it to a server or something like Geocities.

[Cekoviu]

Can someone who understands Python explain to me why, with all dependencies fulfilled, following the directions for installing this program from source on Linux inevitably fails at the last step on the basis of what appears to be a syntax error in the srctools dependency? And how do I fix this?

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325 INFO: PyInstaller: 3.6
325 INFO: Python: 2.7.17 (conda)
326 INFO: Platform: Linux-5.5.0-2-amd64-x86_64-with-debian-bullseye-sid
339 INFO: UPX is available.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/cekoviu/miniconda2/bin/pyinstaller", line 11, in <module>
    load_entry_point('PyInstaller==3.6', 'console_scripts', 'pyinstaller')()
  File "/home/cekoviu/miniconda2/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PyInstaller/__main__.py", line 114, in run
    run_build(pyi_config, spec_file, **vars(args))
  File "/home/cekoviu/miniconda2/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PyInstaller/__main__.py", line 65, in run_build
    PyInstaller.building.build_main.main(pyi_config, spec_file, **kwargs)
  File "/home/cekoviu/miniconda2/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PyInstaller/building/build_main.py", line 734, in main
    build(specfile, kw.get('distpath'), kw.get('workpath'), kw.get('clean_build'))
  File "/home/cekoviu/miniconda2/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PyInstaller/building/build_main.py", line 681, in build
    exec(code, spec_namespace)
  File "BEE2.spec", line 3, in <module>
    import srctools
  File "/home/cekoviu/miniconda2/lib/python2.7/site-packages/srctools-1.2.0-py2.7-linux-x86_64.egg/srctools/__init__.py", line 37
    def clean_line(line: str) -> str:
                       ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax


[The Blaatschapen]

I'm currently, very slowly learning some basic coding but only in a simple Game Maker Studio thing. So I'm not sure if that even counts.

It counts.

Even formulas in spreadsheets count.