Open Season: "Vigilantes" Shoot Black Jogger in Georgia

[Rojava Free State]

Of course it's the fake leftist Tim Pool.

I watched his video, he seemed open minded and not like your usual dismissive one dimensional leftist.

How do you know that that is even Ahmaud? You know its a common practice to use photos of totally different guys to make police shooting victims look bad, right?

[Spirit of Hope]

The only history was that the father was maybe involved with investigating Arbery 6-7 years ago. Which isn't exactly relevant to these events.

As to your claims about the evil main stream media, you appear to have simply made up facts about the events with no supporting evidence, while the media has been pointing to videos, police statements, police records, and the suspects statements.

Again, source for the 20 miles, and any evidence that Arbery has been caught stealing anything from the neighborhood?

The footage of him entering houses that weren't his. Obviously. And I stand corrected, it was just two miles.

Yes, a house under construction from which nothing was stolen. Also that was the day of the incident, not "stealing from several houses in the neighborhood for several nights."

So your initial statement was almost entirely false.

[Cannot think of a name]

Release from the homeowners of the house that Arbery visited:

"First, and most important, the English family -- the homeowners -- want Ahmaud Arbery's parents to know that they are very sorry for the loss of their son and they are praying for them.

Second, it is crucial to understand that the English family -- the homeowners -- were not part of what the McMichaels did. The first accounts suggested a link between the McMichaels and the homeowners, but there is none. The English family had no relationship with the McMichaels and did not even know what had occurred until after Mr. Arbery's death was reported to them.

After seeing Mr. Arbery's photo in news reports, Larry English did not even think Mr. Arbery was the person that appears in this video. Even if it had been, however, Mr. English would never have sought a vigilante response, much less one resulting in a tragic death."

From the lawyer for the family:

On Saturday Arbery's family attorneys said they've seen surveillance video of the construction site and that no illegal activity took place. They say the person, believed to be Arbery, was on the property for under three minutes.

The attorneys released this statement:

"Our office has reviewed the surveillance video which appears to show a person, believed to be Ahmaud Arbery, entering a property under construction. The individual remains on the property for under 3 minutes before continuing to jog down the road. This video is consistent with the evidence already known to us. Ahmaud Arbery was out for a jog. He stopped by a property under construction where he engaged in no illegal activity and remained for only a brief period. Ahmaud did not take anything from the construction site. He did not cause any damage to the property. He remained for a brief period of time and was not instructed by anyone to leave but rather left on his own accord to continue his jog. Ahmaud’s actions at this empty home under construction were in no way a felony under Georgia law. This video confirms that Mr. Arbery’s murder was not justified and the actions of the men who pursued him and ambushed him were unjustified. We reiterate, Ahmaud Arbery did not take part in ANY felony, had no illegal substances in his system, was not armed yet was shot three times with a shotgun at close range."

[Arkhane]

I wonder which is more of a conspiracy theory: that every black person being shot is always racially motivated, or that there is always another side to something that media almost never shows.

Most black people who get shot aren't shot over race. This case sure seems suspicious though when two white guys in a truck chase a random black guy over burglaries that happened months ago.

The video of the attack showed the black guy assaulting them and trying to get the gun, if the footage shown was the man continuing to run or at least stopping or raising his hands but still getting shot, it wouldn't have made me suspicious.

[Arkhane]

I watched his video, he seemed open minded and not like your usual dismissive one dimensional leftist.

How do you know that that is even Ahmaud? You know its a common practice to use photos of totally different guys to make police shooting victims look bad, right?

And here I thought I was the conspiracy theorist.

[Galloism]

Ooooooh, you're getting your info from unsourced youtube conspiracy channels.

Predictable.

Of course it's the fake leftist Tim Pool.

Tim Pool’s reporting is generally pretty good, tbh.

Notably, the dude seems to have trespassed onto a construction site a few times, and police were called. Something that is not a felony, not harmful to any person, and not worth arming up and going after him like you’re Deputy Enos and he’s Bo Duke.

[Cannot think of a name]

Most black people who get shot aren't shot over race. This case sure seems suspicious though when two white guys in a truck chase a random black guy over burglaries that happened months ago.

The video of the attack showed the black guy assaulting them and trying to get the gun, if the footage shown was the man continuing to run or at least stopping or raising his hands but still getting shot, it wouldn't have made me suspicious.

The video showed a murderer standing in Arbery's path, Arbery moved to go around him where the murderer moved agin to block his path where Arbery attempted to defend himself from a deadly threat by people who did not have the authority to stop him.

[Arkhane]

The footage of him entering houses that weren't his. Obviously. And I stand corrected, it was just two miles.

Yes, a house under construction from which nothing was stolen. Also that was the day of the incident, not "stealing from several houses in the neighborhood for several nights."

So your initial statement was almost entirely false.

That's the thing, that wasn't the only house he entered, there are other footage of him entering other homes.

[Cannot think of a name]

Of course it's the fake leftist Tim Pool.

Tim Pool’s reporting is generally pretty good, tbh.

Notably, the dude seems to have trespassed onto a construction site a few times, and police were called. Something that is not a felony, not harmful to any person, and not worth arming up and going after him like you’re Deputy Enos and he’s Bo Duke.

Notably, despite the numerous times that the Duke brother's put the people in Hazzard County at risk with their reckless driving, Enos barely ever drew his gun much less fired at the Duke boys. In fact the opening credits show Bo guiding Enos' gun back in its holster.

Jesus I retained way too much of that show...

[Galloism]

Yes, a house under construction from which nothing was stolen. Also that was the day of the incident, not "stealing from several houses in the neighborhood for several nights."

So your initial statement was almost entirely false.

That's the thing, that wasn't the only house he entered, there are other footage of him entering other homes.

Not in the Tim Cast video. Got a source?

[Spirit of Hope]

Most black people who get shot aren't shot over race. This case sure seems suspicious though when two white guys in a truck chase a random black guy over burglaries that happened months ago.

The video of the attack showed the black guy assaulting them and trying to get the gun, if the footage shown was the man continuing to run or at least stopping or raising his hands but still getting shot, it wouldn't have made me suspicious.

Under Georgia law you can not claim you were acting in self defense if the shooting happened during th commission of a crime. The McMichaels were attempting to illegally detain Arbery. There fore they can not claim self defense.

[Arkhane]

The video of the attack showed the black guy assaulting them and trying to get the gun, if the footage shown was the man continuing to run or at least stopping or raising his hands but still getting shot, it wouldn't have made me suspicious.

The video showed a murderer standing in Arbery's path, Arbery moved to go around him where the murderer moved agin to block his path where Arbery attempted to defend himself from a deadly threat by people who did not have the authority to stop him.

Pulling a gun on an armed person while you have nothing on you is not a form of self defense. It's the usual thing you see more on footages of attempted robbery and follows the pattern of criminals fighting desperately to avoid arrest.

It's not a black thing, either, many white thugs and gangs display the same desperate behavior.

[Arkhane]

That's the thing, that wasn't the only house he entered, there are other footage of him entering other homes.

Not in the Tim Cast video. Got a source?

No, I just finished watching, it wasn't in the Tim video.

[Cannot think of a name]

That's the thing, that wasn't the only house he entered, there are other footage of him entering other homes.

Not in the Tim Cast video. Got a source?

The first video that he linked that undermined all of his extraordinary claims shows footage of earlier trespasses while emphasizing that it isn't clear that it's Ahmaud. About here.
Looks like guy with tattoos on his arm, but it's not exactly high resolution video.

[Cannot think of a name]

The video showed a murderer standing in Arbery's path, Arbery moved to go around him where the murderer moved agin to block his path where Arbery attempted to defend himself from a deadly threat by people who did not have the authority to stop him.

Pulling a gun on an armed person while you have nothing on you is not a form of self defense.

I want you to read this sentence three times and then tell me why you should rewrite it.

[Ifreann]

It doesn't matter if that particular neighbourhood had been victim to the crime wave of the century, that does not give random men with guns the authority to detain someone they suspect is involved.

The thing is, they're not just random men with guns. they had some history with each other before all of this.

So? No conceivable history between them permits the killers to detain Arbery.

[The Emerald Legion]

The video of the attack showed the black guy assaulting them and trying to get the gun, if the footage shown was the man continuing to run or at least stopping or raising his hands but still getting shot, it wouldn't have made me suspicious.

Under Georgia law you can not claim you were acting in self defense if the shooting happened during th commission of a crime. The McMichaels were attempting to illegally detain Arbery. There fore they can not claim self defense.

Under Georgia law you can only illegally detain someone if you are an actual police officer, and kidnapping requires you to actually seize them bodily for transport elsewhere. So no. You're just wrong.

[Arkhane]

Not in the Tim Cast video. Got a source?

The first video that he linked that undermined all of his extraordinary claims shows footage of earlier trespasses while emphasizing that it isn't clear that it's Ahmaud. About here.
Looks like guy with tattoos on his arm, but it's not exactly high resolution video.

All the current findings so far pointed to Ahmaud, unless there's another person scouting the neighborhood and found. My suspicions still stands that he might not be as innocent as he seems.

[Ifreann]

The first video that he linked that undermined all of his extraordinary claims shows footage of earlier trespasses while emphasizing that it isn't clear that it's Ahmaud. About here.
Looks like guy with tattoos on his arm, but it's not exactly high resolution video.

All the current findings so far pointed to Ahmaud, unless there's another person scouting the neighborhood and found. My suspicions still stands that he might not be as innocent as he seems.

It doesn't matter if he's innocent, since he's dead. It matters if his killers killed him legally.

[Cannot think of a name]

The first video that he linked that undermined all of his extraordinary claims shows footage of earlier trespasses while emphasizing that it isn't clear that it's Ahmaud. About here.
Looks like guy with tattoos on his arm, but it's not exactly high resolution video.

All the current findings so far pointed to Ahmaud,

By whom?

unless there's another person scouting the neighborhood and found.

Not even remotely how this works.

My suspicions still stands that he might not be as innocent as he seems.

Even granting all of your already debunked premises, none of them granted those men the right to stop him or shoot him.

[Arkhane]

The thing is, they're not just random men with guns. they had some history with each other before all of this.

So? No conceivable history between them permits the killers to detain Arbery.

Yeah, I don't think they're planning on locking him away in their own home. The first thing to catching a thief would be to stop him in his track and then proceeding to alert law enforcement, and since that clearly not happened and the man that was shot was yanking the shooter's weapon, I wouldn't readily dismiss this as another racially charged killing.

[Arkhane]

All the current findings so far pointed to Ahmaud,

By whom?

unless there's another person scouting the neighborhood and found.

Not even remotely how this works.

My suspicions still stands that he might not be as innocent as he seems.

Even granting all of your already debunked premises, none of them granted those men the right to stop him or shoot him.

Debunked premises? Do you have any irrefutable proof that the shooters killed him because of his skin color?

[Cannot think of a name]

By whom?

Not even remotely how this works.

Even granting all of your already debunked premises, none of them granted those men the right to stop him or shoot him.

Debunked premises? Do you have any irrefutable proof that the shooters killed him because of his skin color?

Your flailing is adorable.

[Arkhane]

Debunked premises? Do you have any irrefutable proof that the shooters killed him because of his skin color?

Your flailing is adorable.

For me to flail, there needs to be actual evidence that disproves me first.

[Ifreann]

So? No conceivable history between them permits the killers to detain Arbery.

Yeah, I don't think they're planning on locking him away in their own home. The first thing to catching a thief would be to stop him in his track and then proceeding to alert law enforcement, and since that clearly not happened and the man that was shot was yanking the shooter's weapon, I wouldn't readily dismiss this as another racially charged killing.

They had no legal authority to stop him in his tracks, i.e. detain him. They had no knowledge of him committing any crimes, their mere suspicion that he might have been involved in some crime at some point is not sufficient, especially since these burglaries they suspected Arbery of do not appear to have actually happened.