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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Fri May 08, 2020 5:28 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:it's open season on Black people in the south

Which is why the black on white murder rate there is so much higher, I assume.

Having seen the full video of the shooting,I can say you're a sensationalist and possible liar. He attacked them, and they were operating within the law.

Furthermore, Arbery had been arrested before and had mental health records demonstrating an aggressive personality, as well as having a criminal record.

For example, he brought a gun to a school campus before.

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Postby Albrenia » Fri May 08, 2020 5:31 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:it's open season on Black people in the south

Which is why the black on white murder rate there is so much higher, I assume.

Having seen the full video of the shooting,I can say you're a sensationalist and possible liar. He attacked them, and they were operating within the law.

Furthermore, Arbery had been arrested before and had mental health records demonstrating an aggressive personality, as well as having a criminal record.

For example, he brought a gun to a school campus before.


I've not heard he had a criminal record beyond stuff done as a teenager and possible very young adult.

Also, none of this would have been known to the shooters, would it? So I don't see how it excuses chasing him down even if he was an arsehole with an anger problem.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri May 08, 2020 5:32 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:it's open season on Black people in the south

Which is why the black on white murder rate there is so much higher, I assume.

Having seen the full video of the shooting,I can say you're a sensationalist and possible liar. He attacked them, and they were operating within the law.

Furthermore, Arbery had been arrested before and had mental health records demonstrating an aggressive personality, as well as having a criminal record.

For example, he brought a gun to a school campus before.

That'd be some pretty impressive Sherlock Holmes shit for them to get all of that from him jogging by their house, dude.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri May 08, 2020 5:34 am

So we're going full Mendelsohn again?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 08, 2020 5:38 am

I am not going back through the thread to look, but the shooters have been charged with murder.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri May 08, 2020 5:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:I am not going back through the thread to look, but the shooters have been charged with murder.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud-arb ... r-georgia/


Like murder 1 or 2?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri May 08, 2020 5:49 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I am not going back through the thread to look, but the shooters have been charged with murder.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud-arb ... r-georgia/


Like murder 1 or 2?


Does that have to be declared at this point?

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri May 08, 2020 5:50 am

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Loben The 2nd wrote:
Like murder 1 or 2?


Does that have to be declared at this point?


Would be nice to know the outcome of the trial.
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Postby Albrenia » Fri May 08, 2020 5:51 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I am not going back through the thread to look, but the shooters have been charged with murder.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud-arb ... r-georgia/


Like murder 1 or 2?


The source in question only says 'murder' and 'aggravated assault', to my knowledge. I'd guess Murder 2 though.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri May 08, 2020 5:53 am

Albrenia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Like murder 1 or 2?


The source in question only says 'murder' and 'aggravated assault', to my knowledge. I'd guess Murder 2 though.


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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri May 08, 2020 5:54 am

Albrenia wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Like murder 1 or 2?


The source in question only says 'murder' and 'aggravated assault', to my knowledge. I'd guess Murder 2 though.


I could see murder 1 being a possibility. Arming themselves and then getting in the truck to chase him down gives a strong smell of premeditation.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri May 08, 2020 5:54 am

https://youtu.be/v_34mnCd0wc

Lmao all these "it was self defense" people are looking pretty sketchy now. Funny how this was such clear cut self defense that the two men involved were just arrested and charged with murder.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri May 08, 2020 5:55 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:it's open season on Black people in the south

Which is why the black on white murder rate there is so much higher, I assume.

Having seen the full video of the shooting,I can say you're a sensationalist and possible liar. He attacked them, and they were operating within the law.

Furthermore, Arbery had been arrested before and had mental health records demonstrating an aggressive personality, as well as having a criminal record.

For example, he brought a gun to a school campus before.


This always happens when a black man gets killed. Time to start digging up dirt on him going all the way back to when he was just 10 years old, cause we don't want people to feel sorry for him now do we?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri May 08, 2020 6:02 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Israeli Defense Force wrote:Which is why the black on white murder rate there is so much higher, I assume.

Having seen the full video of the shooting,I can say you're a sensationalist and possible liar. He attacked them, and they were operating within the law.

Furthermore, Arbery had been arrested before and had mental health records demonstrating an aggressive personality, as well as having a criminal record.

For example, he brought a gun to a school campus before.


This always happens when a black man gets killed. Time to start digging up dirt on him going all the way back to when he was just 10 years old, cause we don't want people to feel sorry for him now do we?


Like I said, going full Mendelsohn and trying to create a large enough image of victim culpability.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 08, 2020 6:05 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Israeli Defense Force wrote:Which is why the black on white murder rate there is so much higher, I assume.

Having seen the full video of the shooting,I can say you're a sensationalist and possible liar. He attacked them, and they were operating within the law.

Furthermore, Arbery had been arrested before and had mental health records demonstrating an aggressive personality, as well as having a criminal record.

For example, he brought a gun to a school campus before.


This always happens when a black man gets killed. Time to start digging up dirt on him going all the way back to when he was just 10 years old, cause we don't want people to feel sorry for him now do we?

No, it's the defense attorneys job to do so. His job is to cast aspersions on the victim to create reasonable doubt.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri May 08, 2020 6:06 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
This always happens when a black man gets killed. Time to start digging up dirt on him going all the way back to when he was just 10 years old, cause we don't want people to feel sorry for him now do we?

No, it's the defense attorneys job to do so. His job is to cast aspersions on the victim to create reasonable doubt.


It isnt the defense attorney I'm referring to. It's the random people who think that running a guy down in your truck and shooting him is self defense, and when it becomes clear how unjustified this was, they try to rewrite history so the victim is a dangerous animal that had to be put down. The victim could have been a church choir boy and I guarantee you they would be talking about the time he shoplifter a bag of cheetos at age 5 just to push the idea that him being shot was a good thing. I won't say that everyone who pushes this idea is an out and out racist but I'm pretty sure a majority of them are at least unconsciously prejudiced.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri May 08, 2020 6:07 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Does that have to be declared at this point?


Would be nice to know the outcome of the trial.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 08, 2020 6:08 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
The source in question only says 'murder' and 'aggravated assault', to my knowledge. I'd guess Murder 2 though.


I could see murder 1 being a possibility. Arming themselves and then getting in the truck to chase him down gives a strong smell of premeditation.

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Postby Knask » Fri May 08, 2020 6:09 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Does that have to be declared at this point?


Would be nice to know the outcome of the trial.

Two white men mudering a black man on the street in Georgia, one of whom is a former cop?

The outcome is pretty much given. A hint is that the people in question was not even arrested after shooting and killing a black man on the street.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri May 08, 2020 6:11 am

Knask wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Would be nice to know the outcome of the trial.

Two white men mudering a black man on the street in Georgia, one of whom is a former cop?

The outcome is pretty much given. A hint is that the people in question was not even arrested after shooting and killing a black man on the street.


The cop part is very important. Dylan Roof proved that a white man shooting a black man will go to prison, but a cop? Oh boy, this guy is gonna have the whole system stacked in his favor. I said in another thread that being a cop in America basically gives you the right to play judge, jury and executioner.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 08, 2020 6:13 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:No, it's the defense attorneys job to do so. His job is to cast aspersions on the victim to create reasonable doubt.


It isnt the defense attorney I'm referring to. It's the random people who think that running a guy down in your truck and shooting him is self defense, and when it becomes clear how unjustified this was, they try to rewrite history so the victim is a dangerous animal that had to be put down. The victim could have been a church choir boy and I guarantee you they would be talking about the time he shoplifter a bag of cheetos at age 5 just to push the idea that him being shot was a good thing. I won't say that everyone who pushes this idea is an out and out racist but I'm pretty sure a majority of them are at least unconsciously prejudiced.


The whole thing is pretty racist, one of the reasons I want to see these two made an example of. I think this is exactly what the death penalty is for.

It's a former cop and his kid, his friends know the process, and what to do. However if the stuff they were showing is from when the guy was 10, I am wondering if those records were sealed.
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Rojava Free State wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:No, it's the defense attorneys job to do so. His job is to cast aspersions on the victim to create reasonable doubt.


It isnt the defense attorney I'm referring to. It's the random people who think that running a guy down in your truck and shooting him is self defense, and when it becomes clear how unjustified this was, they try to rewrite history so the victim is a dangerous animal that had to be put down. The victim could have been a church choir boy and I guarantee you they would be talking about the time he shoplifter a bag of cheetos at age 5 just to push the idea that him being shot was a good thing. I won't say that everyone who pushes this idea is an out and out racist but I'm pretty sure a majority of them are at least unconsciously prejudiced.


They always smear the victim of racially motivated murders, and they shamelessly use the most irrelevant and inconsequential thing. "He got into a fight in middle school." "He had marijuana in his system."
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Page wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
It isnt the defense attorney I'm referring to. It's the random people who think that running a guy down in your truck and shooting him is self defense, and when it becomes clear how unjustified this was, they try to rewrite history so the victim is a dangerous animal that had to be put down. The victim could have been a church choir boy and I guarantee you they would be talking about the time he shoplifter a bag of cheetos at age 5 just to push the idea that him being shot was a good thing. I won't say that everyone who pushes this idea is an out and out racist but I'm pretty sure a majority of them are at least unconsciously prejudiced.


They always smear the victim of racially motivated murders, and they shamelessly use the most irrelevant and inconsequential thing. "He got into a fight in middle school." "He had marijuana in his system."

"He was no angel", as if black men need to be angels to go about their business without getting murdered.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri May 08, 2020 7:42 am

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They always smear the victim of racially motivated murders, and they shamelessly use the most irrelevant and inconsequential thing. "He got into a fight in middle school." "He had marijuana in his system."

"He was no angel", as if black men need to be angels to go about their business without getting murdered.


Do we live in Rodrigo dutuerte Philippines? I didn't know doing weed was justification to be extrajudicially killed.
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Postby Galloism » Fri May 08, 2020 8:29 am

Risottia wrote:
Galloism wrote:I’ll agree these guys committed murder, but plain reading of the Georgia stalking law would seem to preclude this for lack of a pattern.



https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/20 ... 7/16-5-90/

Lacking an established pattern, it’s hard to see it as stalking.


Maybe tye escalation from chase with vehicle to waylaying and assault can be considered as a pattern? I don't see a requirement of time duration for the pattern.

Usually a pattern must be longer than a single continuous event to constitute a pattern.
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