Open Season: "Vigilantes" Shoot Black Jogger in Georgia

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Theres a billion dollar black market for appliances, scrap metal, tools, and construction materials. You may as well have joked about the black market for pens in relation to a bank robbery.

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

"It's not that long" in his own words.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

There is for copper piping. But I tend to look into houses under construction when I walk past them. Pure curiosity. I guess I deserve to get gunned down since there are always burglaries in my area.

I regularly walked through construction when I came across it. No one ever threatened me with a shotgun.

I wonder what the difference was.

Bad BO?

[Albrenia]

I wonder if they'll get away with it anyway due to the combination of 'it's coming right for us' and one of them being a retired cop.

[Sodoran Alesia]

Looking inside the window of a building under construction apparently. I hear there's a black market for cement bags and drywall.

Theres a billion dollar black market for appliances, scrap metal, tools, and construction materials. You may as well have joked about the black market for pens in relation to a bank robbery.

So? Beyond looking at a window is there any evidence Arbery was a burglar? Should we citizen arrest me because I looked at a car and there is a black market for car parts? The grounds of suspicion are absurd, the McMichaels had no justification to go after Arbery, hell, even the 911 dispatcher said "I just need to know what he was doing wrong."

[Spirit of Hope]

The law says "If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape." What evidence is there that there was a felony the victim was attempting to escape? Ot os not attempting to escape to run past a location 2 months later.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... orgia/amp/

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/breaking-d ... l-shooting

Not case laws, but lawyers that are saying this wasn't a legal citizens arrest.

You are leaving out the rest of the sentence and a large portion of their defense.

If it is a felony and they are fleeing a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

The suspects claimed that he matched the description of someone who previously burglarized the homes. Matching the description of a suspected Burglar is reasonable suspicion.

Accept they had no evidence he was fleeing a felony.

[Cannot think of a name]

I wonder if they'll get away with it anyway due to the combination of 'it's coming right for us' and one of them being a retired cop.

Being a retired cop 100% has kept him free up to this point.

[Des-Bal]

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

I did? I did pretty quickly actually: So fucking what.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I wonder if they'll get away with it anyway due to the combination of 'it's coming right for us' and one of them being a retired cop.

Cops getting away with committing crimes. So hot right now.

[Fartsniffage]

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

I did? I did pretty quickly actually: So fucking what.

So you're full of shit. These guys hunted and then killed a person. And you're twisting and turning to find a way to justify it. I have no use for you. Be gone.

[Des-Bal]

Accept they had no evidence he was fleeing a felony.

The statute does not as written require that.

[Spirit of Hope]

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

I did? I did pretty quickly actually: So fucking what.

How does that meet the criteria of fleeing a felony? Again, please provide any proof that the state of Georgia has ever allowed a citizens arrest to stand months after the crime.

[Greed and Death]

Theres a billion dollar black market for appliances, scrap metal, tools, and construction materials. You may as well have joked about the black market for pens in relation to a bank robbery.

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

Defense attorney mode: The shooting occurred two months ago. Coincidence the burglaries stopped ?

[Albrenia]

Accept they had no evidence he was fleeing a felony.

The statute does not as written require that.

Pretty stupid law then, to be fair.

[Greed and Death]

You are leaving out the rest of the sentence and a large portion of their defense.

If it is a felony and they are fleeing a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

The suspects claimed that he matched the description of someone who previously burglarized the homes. Matching the description of a suspected Burglar is reasonable suspicion.

Accept they had no evidence he was fleeing a felony.

There is no imminence required between fleeing and the suspected felony occurring.

[Spirit of Hope]

Accept they had no evidence he was fleeing a felony.

The statute does not as written require that.

The statue says if it is a felony you can arrest them if they are fleeing and you have reasonable suspicion they committed the felony. Is your argument that by running past a house two months later, the victim is fleeing a felony? Do you have any proof that Gerogia has ever accepted that argument?

[Des-Bal]

So you're full of shit. These guys hunted and then killed a person. And you're twisting and turning to find a way to justify it. I have no use for you. Be gone.

No twisting or turning necessary. They acted in accordance with the law and require no further justification. If you want to complain about the law that's an issue for the legislature.

[Fartsniffage]

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

Defense attorney mode: The shooting occurred two months ago. Coincidence the burglaries stopped ?

There were no burglaries in the 2 months before they murdered the guy.

[Greed and Death]

The statute does not as written require that.

Pretty stupid law then, to be fair.

Its a fairly common citizens arrest statute.

[Cannot think of a name]

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

Defense attorney mode: The shooting occurred two months ago. Coincidence the burglaries stopped ?

Would this then be the part where the judge admonishes you publicly for not following your own case and make such a silly mistake as to not be able to suss out what two month period we were talking about? And then your client starts angry whispering at you because they're starting to lose faith in you and are pretty sure your lack of attention is going to get them thrown in jail?

Because it sounds like that's when that would happen.

[Greed and Death]

Defense attorney mode: The shooting occurred two months ago. Coincidence the burglaries stopped ?

There were no burglaries in the 2 months before they murdered the guy.

There you go be careful how you frame facts.

[Spirit of Hope]

Accept they had no evidence he was fleeing a felony.

There is no imminence required between fleeing and the suspected felony occurring.

I find it a stretch of the definition of fleeing to apply it to events happening months later.

[Albrenia]

Pretty stupid law then, to be fair.

Its a fairly common citizens arrest statute.

That one can consider someone to be 'fleeing a crime' two months after it happened seems poorly thought out. At what point is someone allowed to move quickly after a crime if they happen to share a similarity with the suspect?

[Fartsniffage]

There were no burglaries in the 2 months before they murdered the guy.

There you go be careful how you frame facts.

Conversation versus court rules. Don't be an ass.

[Sodoran Alesia]

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

I did? I did pretty quickly actually: So fucking what.

Did you read what happened in that burglary? From The Brunswick News

Only one burglary, an automobile burglary, was reported to county police in the Satilla Shores neighborhood between Jan. 1 and Feb. 23, according to documents obtained by The News in a public records request to the Glynn County Police Department. It involved a Smith & Wesson M&P 9 mm pistol stolen Jan. 1 from a pickup truck outside 230 Satilla Drive, the home of Travis McMichael, according to the police report.

Gregory McMichael moved the 2011 Ford F-150 from one spot to another in front of the home at around 9:30 a.m. Jan. 1, forgetting to lock it afterward, Travis McMichael told police. About an hour later, Travis McMichael found the handgun’s empty holster on the unlocked truck’s seat, the report said.

They weren't even there for the burglary, they didn't witness the burglar. What evidence is there that Arbery committed it? Now, the article says a caller allegedly said Arbery was seen on surveillance but then why wasn't it reported to the authorities? Reminder, the incident happened in February yet it has been shown no string of burglaries ever happened, the only police report is the one I quoted above. Where are all the reports of attempted burglaries? It's rather telling there's only one

[Des-Bal]

The statue says if it is a felony you can arrest them if they are fleeing and you have reasonable suspicion they committed the felony. Is your argument that by running past a house two months later, the victim is fleeing a felony? Do you have any proof that Gerogia has ever accepted that argument?

The Statute says that the crime must be a felony not that the flight must be from a felony. You're trying to add additional requirements to the statute. The ommission of a word or phrase must be read as intentional. If there is any requirement that you must be fleeing from a felony or from any crime for that matter then it can only exist because of case law, the burden is on you.