Open Season: "Vigilantes" Shoot Black Jogger in Georgia

[The South Falls]

How? The last burglary was literally 2 months ago, there was no "string of burglaries," the citizens' arrest argument is completely unjustified.

1) two months is literally not a very long time 2) If it was the only burglary that had ever occurred anywhere in the world it would still be a felony and still satisfy the citizens arrest statute.

Did they have reasonable cause, however? Arresting a black guy off the street isn't reasonable cause to me.

[Rojava Free State]

1) two months is literally not a very long time 2) If it was the only burglary that had ever occurred anywhere in the world it would still be a felony and still satisfy the citizens arrest statute.

Did they have reasonable cause, however? Arresting a black guy off the street isn't reasonable cause to me.

I still fail to see how this is self defense considering primarily that the two assailants actively put themselves in that situation. They were looking for a fight.

[Albrenia]

Citizens arrest in Georgia requires you catch them in the act or, if it is a felony, while fleeing. It is hard to say he is fleeing the burglary 2 months later. If you have case law to support citizens arrest months after the crime, please present it.

No part of the statute requires the flight be from the actual burglary and if you have case law that amends that then you may present it.

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Remind me to only go for walks if I ever visit the US...

[The South Falls]

Did they have reasonable cause, however? Arresting a black guy off the street isn't reasonable cause to me.

I still fail to see how this is self defense considering primarily that the two assailants actively put themselves in that situation. They were looking for a fight.

No, no, I often pull up on people in my neighborhood with a shotgun and scream at them just to say hi.

[Risottia]

How? The last burglary was literally 2 months ago, there was no "string of burglaries," the citizens' arrest argument is completely unjustified.

1) two months is literally not a very long time 2) If it was the only burglary that had ever occurred anywhere in the world it would still be a felony and still satisfy the citizens arrest statute.

I've seen two white men sell forbidden drugs six months ago near my house. Citizen-arrest those folks, there's a reasonable suspicion it was them.

[Risottia]

No part of the statute requires the flight be from the actual burglary and if you have case law that amends that then you may present it.

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Running since two months ago, mind you, and still in the area.
Basically running in circles for two months.

[Gormwood]

No part of the statute requires the flight be from the actual burglary and if you have case law that amends that then you may present it.

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Remind me to only go for walks if I ever visit the US...

Looking inside the window of a building under construction apparently. I hear there's a black market for cement bags and drywall.

[Des-Bal]

Did they have reasonable cause, however? Arresting a black guy off the street isn't reasonable cause to me.

He was spotted looking into a house and identified as the suspect in a burglary.

I still fail to see how this is self defense considering primarily that the two assailants actively put themselves in that situation. They were looking for a fight.

If their conduct in doing so was illegal it wouldn't be self defense. You are allowed to be uncivil and even stupid bit if your conduct is lawful you have the right of self defense.

[Spirit of Hope]

Citizens arrest in Georgia requires you catch them in the act or, if it is a felony, while fleeing. It is hard to say he is fleeing the burglary 2 months later. If you have case law to support citizens arrest months after the crime, please present it.

No part of the statute requires the flight be from the actual burglary and if you have case law that amends that then you may present it.

The law says "If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape." What evidence is there that there was a felony the victim was attempting to escape? Ot os not attempting to escape to run past a location 2 months later.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... orgia/amp/

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/breaking-d ... l-shooting

Not case laws, but lawyers that are saying this wasn't a legal citizens arrest.

[Greed and Death]

1) two months is literally not a very long time 2) If it was the only burglary that had ever occurred anywhere in the world it would still be a felony and still satisfy the citizens arrest statute.

I've seen two white men sell forbidden drugs six months ago near my house. Citizen-arrest those folks, there's a reasonable suspicion it was them.

Go for it Risottia, though keep in mind drug dealers are often armed.

[Des-Bal]

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Remind me to only go for walks if I ever visit the US...

No, he was identified as a suspect in a burglary and was spotted looking into a house.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Remind me to only go for walks if I ever visit the US...

No, he was identified as a suspect in a burglary and was spotted looking into a house.

[Risottia]

I've seen two white men sell forbidden drugs six months ago near my house. Citizen-arrest those folks, there's a reasonable suspicion it was them.

Go for it Risottia, though keep in mind drug dealers are often armed.

By "those folks" I mean the Georgia vigilantes.

[Spirit of Hope]

Did they have reasonable cause, however? Arresting a black guy off the street isn't reasonable cause to me.

He was spotted looking into a house and identified as the suspect in a burglary.

The shooter didn't see him look into a house, that was a separate 911 call they would have had no knowledge about.

He was identified as a suspect from a crime 2 months ago, that is not an immediate crime that justifies a citizens arrest. Again, provide some proof citizens arrests are allowed months later.

[Albrenia]

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Remind me to only go for walks if I ever visit the US...

No, he was identified as a suspect in a burglary and was spotted looking into a house.

How is he legitimately a suspect in a two-month old burglary?

[Fartsniffage]

He didn't have to cooperate with gun wielding thugs. That's the point.

He didn't have to attack the gun wielding thugs either. He was woefully under-equipped for it.

But it was his right to do so under stand your ground laws. He ran away once and they chased him with guns. He had every right to put a bullet in their heads.

[Myrensis]

It just seems that the rules you want to apply would make people who resist strangers demanding them getting into a van and kidnapping them would be assaulting their kidnappers.

Really? Because I specifically said if he was on trial for killing all three men I'd be behind him. Further I've said repeatedly that illegal conduct prior to the altercation would invalidate a claim of self defense. If they brandished their weapons, if they were just seeking to scare the guy, if they were doing anything actually illegal it's a different ballgame but they didnt so its not.

You have actual evidence that they didn't?

We see Dumbass Wannabe Vigilante #1 standing outside of the truck off to the left side, Arbery runs around the right side, then the camera cuts away, and when it goes back they're both clearly in front of the truck and moving left as they struggle.

So, you know, alternate theory: Ahmaud Arbery was out for a jog, he comes across some random asshole holding a gun and screaming at him, he tries to go around him, and when the lunatic asshole follows him around and tries to cut him off he decides going for the gun is a better option than trying to outrun buckshot.

[Spirit of Hope]

No, he was identified as a suspect in a burglary and was spotted looking into a house.

How is he legitimately a suspect in a two-month old burglary?

They said they recognized him, and apparently according to DB that is all the proof they needed to detain him.

[Fartsniffage]

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Remind me to only go for walks if I ever visit the US...

Looking inside the window of a building under construction apparently. I hear there's a black market for cement bags and drywall.

There is for copper piping. But I tend to look into houses under construction when I walk past them. Pure curiosity. I guess I deserve to get gunned down since there are always burglaries in my area.

[Des-Bal]

Looking inside the window of a building under construction apparently. I hear there's a black market for cement bags and drywall.

Theres a billion dollar black market for appliances, scrap metal, tools, and construction materials. You may as well have joked about the black market for pens in relation to a bank robbery.

[Cannot think of a name]

So one is able to assume a burglary happened based on someone running, seriously?

Running since two months ago, mind you, and still in the area.
Basically running in circles for two months.

Well, what Des Bal is doing is validating the premise presented in the first post.

If the interpretation of the law is that gap jaw stupid, it's open season on black people.

If 'reasonable suspicion' is 'the guy who just jogged by my house looks enough like someone who may have committed a crime months ago,' then it validates every racist piece of shit that thinks any black person 'looks like the guy who committed a crime.' Just jot down your local police blotter now and then and you have a handy list of 'that black man looks like...' Now you're justified to stop any black person you see.

If, in the execution of you trying to stop and interrogate this person you decided was a criminal and thus interpreted one of the most common cardio exercises in the world with 'fleeing' you also 'just so happen' to be carrying a shotgun and that's not considered brandishing or threatening, then you get to create a situation where someone has a reasonable fear that you'll kill them so they'll act and then you get to kill them.

What Des Bal is doing is giving you a primer on how to legally kill black people in Georgia. Because it's open season.

[Fartsniffage]

Looking inside the window of a building under construction apparently. I hear there's a black market for cement bags and drywall.

Theres a billion dollar black market for appliances, scrap metal, tools, and construction materials. You may as well have joked about the black market for pens in relation to a bank robbery.

No burglaries for 2 months in the area. Answer that.

[Greed and Death]

No part of the statute requires the flight be from the actual burglary and if you have case law that amends that then you may present it.

The law says "If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape." What evidence is there that there was a felony the victim was attempting to escape? Ot os not attempting to escape to run past a location 2 months later.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... orgia/amp/

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/breaking-d ... l-shooting

Not case laws, but lawyers that are saying this wasn't a legal citizens arrest.

You are leaving out the rest of the sentence and a large portion of their defense.

If it is a felony and they are fleeing a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

The suspects claimed that he matched the description of someone who previously burglarized the homes. Matching the description of a suspected Burglar is reasonable suspicion.

[Cannot think of a name]

Looking inside the window of a building under construction apparently. I hear there's a black market for cement bags and drywall.

There is for copper piping. But I tend to look into houses under construction when I walk past them. Pure curiosity. I guess I deserve to get gunned down since there are always burglaries in my area.

I regularly walked through construction when I came across it. No one ever threatened me with a shotgun.

I wonder what the difference was.

[The South Falls]

Did they have reasonable cause, however? Arresting a black guy off the street isn't reasonable cause to me.

He was spotted looking into a house and identified as the suspect in a burglary.

I still fail to see how this is self defense considering primarily that the two assailants actively put themselves in that situation. They were looking for a fight.

If their conduct in doing so was illegal it wouldn't be self defense. You are allowed to be uncivil and even stupid bit if your conduct is lawful you have the right of self defense.

Where did you see that? I'd like a source.