Open Season: "Vigilantes" Shoot Black Jogger in Georgia

[Albrenia]

Come to think of it, it is rather weird how both aisles of politics in the US seem a bit fractured in their message on the police:

Republicans: Only guns can make you free, don't trust the police to save you!
Also Republicans: We shouldn't question our boys in blue, these thugs had it coming.

Democrats: Guns are a health and safety hazard, we can trust to police to keep order.
Also Democrats: Police are racist fascists shooting minorities at will.

It's a bit odd, if nothing else.

[Rojava Free State]

Come to think of it, it is rather weird how both aisles of politics in the US seem a bit fractured in their message on the police:

Republicans: Only guns can make you free, don't trust the police to save you!
Also Republicans: We shouldn't question our boys in blue, these thugs had it coming.

Democrats: Guns are a health and safety hazard, we can trust to police to keep order.
Also Democrats: Police are racist fascists shooting minorities at will.

It's a bit odd, if nothing else.

Neither of them really cares about police brutality. Democratic politicians like Republicans are elitists and will use the police to keep a commoner like you or I out of their communities, and the police are also there to protect their donors from annoying protesters who demand the silly right of being able to survive.

[Cannot think of a name]

Pastor runs 2.23 miles shirtless, hat backward, and carrying a TV to prove a point about what 'looks suspicious' really means.

[Bear Stearns]

I usually side with the police/self-defense civilians in these scenarios, and when I first heard about this, given the evidence available, it looked like I'd actually take the other side for once.

But then the video came out and I gotta say, I find the whole "just out for a jog" thing a bit implausible. That's not say this guy was doing something worth being killed over, but I don't think the "EVIL WHITE REDNECKS LYNCH INNOCENT BLACK" narrative really fits here either.

And given the media's usual treatment of interracial crime, it's frankly hard to care.

[Ifreann]

Running while black is now illegal. I'll assume running while brown is as well at this point.

Hes also a retired cop, it was probably second nature to describe him. We literally did that in the military police corp.

You called 911 when you saw black people running? When you were in the military?

Damn, local cops must have hated you.

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The police are absolutely the single greatest threat to your individual rights and liberties. Black people in public are not categorically criminals like police are categorically a threat to the average individual.

If police are the greatest threat why do the left arm them and disarm thensekves?

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Pastor runs 2.23 miles shirtless, hat backward, and carrying a TV to prove a point about what 'looks suspicious' really means.

The police and local residents must have just been having an off day, I'm sure that's it. No other reason the suspicious white man wasn't confronted.

[Nazeroth]

Hes also a retired cop, it was probably second nature to describe him. We literally did that in the military police corp.

You called 911 when you saw black people running? When you were in the military?

Damn, local cops must have hated you.

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If police are the greatest threat why do the left arm them and disarm thensekves?

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Pastor runs 2.23 miles shirtless, hat backward, and carrying a TV to prove a point about what 'looks suspicious' really means.

The police and local residents must have just been having an off day, I'm sure that's it. No other reason the suspicious white man wasn't confronted.

Nonsensical response followed by a guy whos legacy is remembered in the number of mass graves

[Seangoli]

I usually side with the police/self-defense civilians in these scenarios, and when I first heard about this, given the evidence available, it looked like I'd actually take the other side for once.

But then the video came out and I gotta say, I find the whole "just out for a jog" thing a bit implausible. That's not say this guy was doing something worth being killed over, but I don't think the "EVIL WHITE REDNECKS LYNCH INNOCENT BLACK" narrative really fits here either.

And given the media's usual treatment of interracial crime, it's frankly hard to care.

Look, the McMichaels admitted that they saw him run by and thought he was a suspect in previous burglaries. They also fully admit to getting their guns, getting in their vehicle, and chasing him in order to stop and detain him on this suspicion. This insinuates that the reason they were stopped ahead of Arbery is because they were trying to cut him off. These actions, which they had no legal authority to do, created the situation in which Arbery was shot. Had they not illegally tried to detain him by giving chase and trying to stop him based on suspicion alone due to his presence in the neighborhood, while armed with deadly weapons no less, the event never would have happened.

[Ifreann]

You called 911 when you saw black people running? When you were in the military?

Damn, local cops must have hated you.

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The police and local residents must have just been having an off day, I'm sure that's it. No other reason the suspicious white man wasn't confronted.

Nonsensical response followed by a guy whos legacy is remembered in the number of mass graves

You: Silly left disarms themselves
Karl Actual Marx: Never give up your guns

Sure does make you think.

[Seangoli]

Come to think of it, it is rather weird how both aisles of politics in the US seem a bit fractured in their message on the police:

Republicans: Only guns can make you free, don't trust the police to save you!
Also Republicans: We shouldn't question our boys in blue, these thugs had it coming.

Democrats: Guns are a health and safety hazard, we can trust to police to keep order.
Also Democrats: Police are racist fascists shooting minorities at will.

It's a bit odd, if nothing else.

Honest opinion: Republicans don't give two flying shits about the health or well being of police, and its a convenient hill to fake concern with. The number of Republicans and Trump supporters who say some of the worst shit about police will in the next breath defend them as sacrosanct. My dad was a police officer for decades, and I will tell you that this 'concern' for police is utter horseshit; the same WASPy 'supporters' were the exact same people who treated him like complete garbage during his tenure, and some of the people who actually respected him the most were the people he arrested, whom the typical Republican despises.

[Evil Corporation 52]

"He was shot for exercising while black "
"He was shot for jogging while black."

No, he was shot for being a fuckung idiot.

The video made by William Bryan clearly shows the shooting in realtime.

From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck. A brief skirmish ensues in which it appear [sic] Arbery strikes McMichael and appears to grab the shotgun and pull it from McMichael.

The shot is through Arbery’s right hand palm which is consistent with him grabbing and pulling the shotgun at the barrel tip, the 2nd and 3rd wounds are consistent with the struggle for the shotgun as depicted in the video, the angle of the 2nd shot with the rear of the buttstock being pushed away and down from the fight are also consistent with the upward angle of blood plume shown in the video and that McMichael was attempting to push the gun away from Arbery while Arbery was pulling it toward himself.

The 3rd shot too appears to be in a struggle over the gun. The angle of the shots and the video show this was from the beginning or almost immediately became– a fight over the shotgun.

Moral of the story: don't be dumb enough to try and wrestle a gun from someone. Trayvon Martin couldn't figure this out, Michael Brown couldn't figure this out, and apparently neither could Mr. Arbery.

But yeah, he was totally shot for jogging while black. Doesn't everyone jog through construction sites in Timberlands?

[Nazeroth]

Nonsensical response followed by a guy whos legacy is remembered in the number of mass graves

You: Silly left disarms themselves
Karl Actual Marx: Never give up your guns

Sure does make you think.

Yeah makes me think the instructions werent clear lol

[Bear Stearns]

I usually side with the police/self-defense civilians in these scenarios, and when I first heard about this, given the evidence available, it looked like I'd actually take the other side for once.

But then the video came out and I gotta say, I find the whole "just out for a jog" thing a bit implausible. That's not say this guy was doing something worth being killed over, but I don't think the "EVIL WHITE REDNECKS LYNCH INNOCENT BLACK" narrative really fits here either.

And given the media's usual treatment of interracial crime, it's frankly hard to care.

Look, the McMichaels admitted that they saw him run by and thought he was a suspect in previous burglaries. They also fully admit to getting their guns, getting in their vehicle, and chasing him in order to stop and detain him on this suspicion. This insinuates that the reason they were stopped ahead of Arbery is because they were trying to cut him off. These actions, which they had no legal authority to do, created the situation in which Arbery was shot. Had they not illegally tried to detain him by giving chase and trying to stop him based on suspicion alone due to his presence in the neighborhood, while armed with deadly weapons no less, the event never would have happened.

Not even sure if that narrative is entirely true, but if so, then it is a tragic case of a misunderstanding gone horribly wrong. A crime for which the McMichaels should still be punished, sure, but not of evidence of "lynching on the rise" or anything to do with the current president, as many people in this thread seem to believe.

[Albrenia]

"He was shot for exercising while black "
"He was shot for jogging while black."

No, he was shot for being a fuckung idiot.

The video made by William Bryan clearly shows the shooting in realtime.

From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck. A brief skirmish ensues in which it appear [sic] Arbery strikes McMichael and appears to grab the shotgun and pull it from McMichael.

The shot is through Arbery’s right hand palm which is consistent with him grabbing and pulling the shotgun at the barrel tip, the 2nd and 3rd wounds are consistent with the struggle for the shotgun as depicted in the video, the angle of the 2nd shot with the rear of the buttstock being pushed away and down from the fight are also consistent with the upward angle of blood plume shown in the video and that McMichael was attempting to push the gun away from Arbery while Arbery was pulling it toward himself.

The 3rd shot too appears to be in a struggle over the gun. The angle of the shots and the video show this was from the beginning or almost immediately became– a fight over the shotgun.

Moral of the story: don't be dumb enough to try and wrestle a gun from someone. Trayvon Martin couldn't figure this out, Michael Brown couldn't figure this out, and apparently neither could Mr. Arbery.

But yeah, he was totally shot for jogging while black. Doesn't everyone jog through construction sites in Timberlands?

*sigh*

He wasn't anywhere near the construction site at the time of the shooting to my knowledge, and the people chasing him would have had no knowledge of that alleged incident anyway.

He was chased down by people with guns who had no business trying to stop or detain him, reacted poorly to them chasing him with guns and trying to apprehend him for no legitimate reason, and they shot him.

[Evil Corporation 52]

"He was shot for exercising while black "
"He was shot for jogging while black."

No, he was shot for being a fuckung idiot.

Moral of the story: don't be dumb enough to try and wrestle a gun from someone. Trayvon Martin couldn't figure this out, Michael Brown couldn't figure this out, and apparently neither could Mr. Arbery.

But yeah, he was totally shot for jogging while black. Doesn't everyone jog through construction sites in Timberlands?

*sigh*

He wasn't anywhere near the construction site at the time of the shooting to my knowledge, and the people chasing him would have had no knowledge of that alleged incident anyway.

He was chased down by people with guns who had no business trying to stop or detain him, reacted poorly to them chasing him with guns and trying to apprehend him for no legitimate reason, and they shot him.

Your knowledge would be spotty.

The new surveillance video, obtained by Atlanta ABC affiliate WSB, was recorded shortly before Arbery's death. It shows a man walking outside toward a home construction site and then entering.

[Ifreann]

"He was shot for exercising while black "
"He was shot for jogging while black."

No, he was shot for being a fuckung idiot.

The video made by William Bryan clearly shows the shooting in realtime.

From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck. A brief skirmish ensues in which it appear [sic] Arbery strikes McMichael and appears to grab the shotgun and pull it from McMichael.

The shot is through Arbery’s right hand palm which is consistent with him grabbing and pulling the shotgun at the barrel tip, the 2nd and 3rd wounds are consistent with the struggle for the shotgun as depicted in the video, the angle of the 2nd shot with the rear of the buttstock being pushed away and down from the fight are also consistent with the upward angle of blood plume shown in the video and that McMichael was attempting to push the gun away from Arbery while Arbery was pulling it toward himself.

The 3rd shot too appears to be in a struggle over the gun. The angle of the shots and the video show this was from the beginning or almost immediately became– a fight over the shotgun.

Moral of the story: don't be dumb enough to try and wrestle a gun from someone. Trayvon Martin couldn't figure this out, Michael Brown couldn't figure this out, and apparently neither could Mr. Arbery.

But yeah, he was totally shot for jogging while black. Doesn't everyone jog through construction sites in Timberlands?

Fighting back isn't always the best course of action in life threatening situations, but it was Arbery's right to do so.

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You: Silly left disarms themselves
Karl Actual Marx: Never give up your guns

Sure does make you think.

Yeah makes me think the instructions werent clear lol

Makes me think that you don't know who the left are.

[Albrenia]

*sigh*

He wasn't anywhere near the construction site at the time of the shooting to my knowledge, and the people chasing him would have had no knowledge of that alleged incident anyway.

He was chased down by people with guns who had no business trying to stop or detain him, reacted poorly to them chasing him with guns and trying to apprehend him for no legitimate reason, and they shot him.

Your knowledge would be spotty.

The new surveillance video, obtained by Atlanta ABC affiliate WSB, was recorded shortly before Arbery's death. It shows a man walking outside toward a home construction site and then entering.

The people chasing him aren't psychics, they couldn't have known about that.

[Evil Corporation 52]

"He was shot for exercising while black "
"He was shot for jogging while black."

No, he was shot for being a fuckung idiot.

Moral of the story: don't be dumb enough to try and wrestle a gun from someone. Trayvon Martin couldn't figure this out, Michael Brown couldn't figure this out, and apparently neither could Mr. Arbery.

But yeah, he was totally shot for jogging while black. Doesn't everyone jog through construction sites in Timberlands?

Fighting back isn't always the best course of action in life threatening situations, but it was Arbery's right to do so.

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Yeah makes me think the instructions werent clear lol

Makes me think that you don't know who the left are.

He gambled, he lost.

[Evil Corporation 52]

Your knowledge would be spotty.

The people chasing him aren't psychics, they couldn't have known about that.

They said there'd been break ins, and a man who looks strikingly like Mr Arbery was recorded jogging through a construction site.

Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

[Nazeroth]

Your knowledge would be spotty.

The people chasing him aren't psychics, they couldn't have known about that.

They were under the impression he was being criminal, looks like he was up to something suspect

Though, that in no way excuses what happened

But it is annoying how some people have painted this guy as a saint, dude has a record and brought gun to school.

[Albrenia]

The people chasing him aren't psychics, they couldn't have known about that.

They said there'd been break ins, and a man who looks strikingly like Mr Arbery was recorded jogging through a construction site.

Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

There had not been a break in for months.

[Nazeroth]

They said there'd been break ins, and a man who looks strikingly like Mr Arbery was recorded jogging through a construction site.

Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

There had not been a break in for months.

Did there need to be?

And thats only what was reported and filed in a cabinet

[Albrenia]

The people chasing him aren't psychics, they couldn't have known about that.

They were under the impression he was being criminal, looks like he was up to something suspect

Though, that in no way excuses what happened

But it is annoying how some people have painted this guy as a saint, dude has a record and brought gun to school.

Agreed, actually. He may well have been up to something, but the people who chased him down with guns didn't have enough information to detain him. That their hunch may have been correct doesn't excuse breaking the law on a hunch.

[Evil Corporation 52]

They said there'd been break ins, and a man who looks strikingly like Mr Arbery was recorded jogging through a construction site.

Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

There had not been a break in for months.

People do not always report these things. My side mirror got knocked off my car once. I never reported it since the insurance increase would have been greater than the cost to fix the damn thing.

[Albrenia]

There had not been a break in for months.

Did there need to be?

And thats only what was reported and filed in a cabinet

Well if they suspected him of being part of a break in, the break in existing is probably important.

[Albrenia]

There had not been a break in for months.

People do not always report these things. My side mirror got knocked off my car once. I never reported it since the insurance increase would have been greater than the cost to fix the damn thing.

So we're just going to assume there was a string of break ins which nobody cared enough to have reported, yet people felt strongly enough about to arm up and chase someone down over?