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Postby Heloin » Mon May 11, 2020 3:04 pm

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They hadn't had a crime in the area for months, and the guy was literally a retired cop. They'd be the last people on Earth to feel deprived of justice or unrepresented, I'd think.


Not this incident i mean in general

I think these guys will catch manslaughter charges

If they called the police and pursued Arbery in spite of this I'm pretty sure that would make it murder in the 2nd degree maybe even 1st degree.

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon May 11, 2020 3:06 pm

Heloin wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Not this incident i mean in general

I think these guys will catch manslaughter charges

If they called the police and pursued Arbery in spite of this I'm pretty sure that would make it murder in the 2nd degree maybe even 1st degree.


We will have to wait until all the evidence comes out
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 11, 2020 3:06 pm

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Indeed. An innocent civilian would have gone for the kill.

Oh sorry, not what you meant ? Guess people react differently then.


Innocent people in general would never do what Ahmaud did. People react differently based on what they know and what they did.

Id probably start throwing punches because that’s what I’ve done in other similar situations. You’re argument is bad and you should feel bad
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Postby Allwar » Mon May 11, 2020 3:07 pm

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Allwar wrote:They do and will continue to do so as human nature dictates survival.


You might have a point had there been actual violence involved. There wasn’t. Three guys, armed, against one. Did the one actually commit a crime? There’s no evidence. No calls for a citizens arrest either. They shot him when I tried to defend himself from their stalking and chasing. They came at him, weapons drawn. Come on.

Assuming man made laws matter in nature...There'd be no difference if it were 3 cannibals and prey.

And, if there wasn't violence...how is there a man dead?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon May 11, 2020 3:10 pm

Allwar wrote:
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You might have a point had there been actual violence involved. There wasn’t. Three guys, armed, against one. Did the one actually commit a crime? There’s no evidence. No calls for a citizens arrest either. They shot him when I tried to defend himself from their stalking and chasing. They came at him, weapons drawn. Come on.

Assuming man made laws matter in nature...There'd be no difference if it were 3 cannibals and prey.

And, if there wasn't violence...how is there a man dead?


Because they had every intention to kill him. Duh.

There’s no evidence he was a bulglar. He was jogging. He wasn’t armed. It was the middle of the day. You have two guys chasing him with weapons. No call for a citizens arrest at any fucking point. Hello?
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon May 11, 2020 3:12 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Allwar wrote: Assuming man made laws matter in nature...There'd be no difference if it were 3 cannibals and prey.

And, if there wasn't violence...how is there a man dead?


Because they had every intention to kill him. Duh.

There’s no evidence he was a bulglar. He was jogging. He wasn’t armed. It was the middle of the day. You have two guys chasing him with weapons. No call for a citizens arrest at any fucking point. Hello?


I dont buy they intended to kill him from the start

When he reached for the weapon it probably caused it, im not saying its right or wrong
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Postby Allwar » Mon May 11, 2020 3:12 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Allwar wrote: Assuming man made laws matter in nature...There'd be no difference if it were 3 cannibals and prey.

And, if there wasn't violence...how is there a man dead?


Because they had every intention to kill him. Duh.

There’s no evidence he was a bulglar. He was jogging. He wasn’t armed. It was the middle of the day. You have two guys chasing him with weapons. No call for a citizens arrest at any fucking point. Hello?

Someone needs to look up the definition of Violence...

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 11, 2020 3:13 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
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They hadn't had a crime in the area for months, and the guy was literally a retired cop. They'd be the last people on Earth to feel deprived of justice or unrepresented, I'd think.


Not this incident i mean in general

I think these guys will catch manslaughter charges

They won’t. The feds are also considering pressing charges against them. They won’t see the light of day again.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon May 11, 2020 3:14 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Because they had every intention to kill him. Duh.

There’s no evidence he was a bulglar. He was jogging. He wasn’t armed. It was the middle of the day. You have two guys chasing him with weapons. No call for a citizens arrest at any fucking point. Hello?


I dont buy they intended to kill him from the start

When he reached for the weapon it probably caused it, im not saying its right or wrong


They still killed him. Completely disproportionate reaction. And when authorities wanted to investigate, a DA stepped in and thwarted the investigation. It had to take the outrage of many to prompt something happening finally and the perps being finally arrested. Imagine what happens when there’s no video surfacing in other incidents similar to this one.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon May 11, 2020 3:15 pm

On the whole 'he didn't act innocent' thing, I don't think it's a very sensible argument. If several people rolled up on me with guns visible, screaming at me to stop while I was just out on a normal day I'd likely assume they were up to no good.

I wouldn't charge them, but that's not because I'm 'more innocent', it's because I'm more likely to run the fuck away.

At least if I get shot in the back the bastards that kill me can't cry self defence...

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon May 11, 2020 3:15 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
I dont buy they intended to kill him from the start

When he reached for the weapon it probably caused it, im not saying its right or wrong


They still killed him. Completely disproportionate reaction. And when authorities wanted to investigate, a DA stepped in and thwarted the investigation. It had to take the outrage of many to prompt something happening finally and the perps being finally arrested. Imagine what happens when there’s no video surfacing in other incidents similar to this one.


Dude i know they still killed him and they should do time
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon May 11, 2020 3:16 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
They still killed him. Completely disproportionate reaction. And when authorities wanted to investigate, a DA stepped in and thwarted the investigation. It had to take the outrage of many to prompt something happening finally and the perps being finally arrested. Imagine what happens when there’s no video surfacing in other incidents similar to this one.


Dude i know they still killed him and they should do time


They ought to fucking rot in jail.
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Postby Allwar » Mon May 11, 2020 3:17 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Dude i know they still killed him and they should do time


They ought to fucking rot in jail.

With the crises they'll be immediately released.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon May 11, 2020 3:18 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Not this incident i mean in general

I think these guys will catch manslaughter charges

They won’t. The feds are also considering pressing charges against them. They won’t see the light of day again.

DOJ Considering to Press Federal Hate Crime Charges


At least if they're charged Federally, they might face impartial justice which isn't full of their neighbours and ex-coworkers.

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Postby Tobleste » Mon May 11, 2020 3:23 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They won’t. The feds are also considering pressing charges against them. They won’t see the light of day again.

DOJ Considering to Press Federal Hate Crime Charges


At least if they're charged Federally, they might face impartial justice which isn't full of their neighbours and ex-coworkers.


I'm not sure if I'd trust the feds atm given that the DOJ appears to be ran on the basis of who trump likes.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon May 11, 2020 3:25 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Gravlen wrote:He notably didn't describe any crimes being comitted. That's second nature to cops as well, is it?


That is but hes also retired, do you expect him to be sharp as a tac?

If he's arming himself and chasing down a black man simply for being a black man jogging? No.

But he should be, or he should have refrained from arming himself and chasing down a black man simply for being a black man jogging.
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Postby Heloin » Mon May 11, 2020 3:26 pm

Allwar wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
They ought to fucking rot in jail.

With the crises they'll be immediately released.

That makes no sense.

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Postby Gravlen » Mon May 11, 2020 3:36 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
They hadn't had a crime in the area for months, and the guy was literally a retired cop. They'd be the last people on Earth to feel deprived of justice or unrepresented, I'd think.


Not this incident i mean in general

I think these guys will catch manslaughter charges

You think the guys charged with (felony) murder and aggravated assault will be charged with manslaughter? Intriguing.
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Postby Allwar » Mon May 11, 2020 3:48 pm

Heloin wrote:
Allwar wrote: With the crises they'll be immediately released.

That makes no sense.

Jails are releasing their prisoners due to pandemic fears.

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Postby Heloin » Mon May 11, 2020 4:20 pm

Allwar wrote:
Heloin wrote:That makes no sense.

Jails are releasing their prisoners due to pandemic fears.

Prisons aren't releasing murderers.

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Postby Cisairse » Mon May 11, 2020 4:20 pm

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You're surprised that a cop had a power fantasy combined with obvious racism and had no moral issue with murdering an innocent person?

Are you new in town?


You keep saying obvious racsim, is there evidence of this?


Is there evidence of widespread racism and power trips among police offices?

Yes.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon May 11, 2020 4:22 pm

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And left wingers try to constantly portray police as the modern SS

Neither are true


It's not only left wingers who keep telling me the police are evil, though. That particular thing seems to cross all over the aisle.


Hey it's almost like it might be true
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon May 11, 2020 4:26 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
You keep saying obvious racsim, is there evidence of this?


Is there evidence of widespread racism and power trips among police offices?

Yes.


Should I go get the Clearview project real quick?
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Postby Cisairse » Mon May 11, 2020 4:29 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Is there evidence of widespread racism and power trips among police offices?

Yes.


Should I go get the Clearview project real quick?


Honestly that's not even necessary, just typing "police racism" into Google should give you a trillion articles.

EDIT:

Actually 80,400,000.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon May 11, 2020 4:36 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Should I go get the Clearview project real quick?


Honestly that's not even necessary, just typing "police racism" into Google should give you a trillion articles.

EDIT:

Actually 80,400,000.


It goes beyond even that. Police kill and injure people for many a reason, but the one thing that unites all those motives is the cops can get away with violence and they know it.
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