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What is the best way for Democrats to proceed into 2020?

Keep Biden and focus on Trump's abuses
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Keep Biden with the intention of looking further into the complaint after the election
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Replace Biden
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Other (explain)
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 07, 2020 9:17 am

Albrenia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Actually by the n I thought he meant nuclear bombs in those speeches, it took me a while to figure out he meant if Biden had used the N word. Actually if Biden has anything dems line up to protect him, like many are doing right now with the Biden sexual allegations against him. So yes good post, because they are defending Biden against the sexual allegations, while they did not believe Brett Kavanaugh and attacked him.


Isn't that entirely reasonable to you, though? That Democrats should slavishly defend Biden while condemning Kavanaugh for exactly the same thing, since they are Proud Democrats who think Biden will Make America Great Again?


Can’t answer the MAGA question as the MAGA people haven’t explain what it means or the process around it.

Should the claim be investigated? Sure. Just as the 14-16 claims against trump.

It’s not going to happen though. The trumpests like it for the political points. Wouldn’t mind it if it did happen through other means. They don’t want an investigation just because of their leader and what it could mean for him.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu May 07, 2020 9:18 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Bobabay wrote:If were balkanizing who is gonna be Bosnia? I feel like Colorado.


Idk

I only know that we have two sides in this country who dynamically oppose eachother, there ideas cannot coexist

You can't split the country in two. It's a terrible idea.
You have to balkanize substantially more than that. Major states with indefensible borders are just not a good idea to create out of whole cloth.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu May 07, 2020 9:20 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Republicans are out for blood after what the Democrats did with Kavanaugh, and frankly they kind of deserve it at this point.

Republicans rushed the FBI investigation of the accusations of Kavanaugh far too quickly for us to get a full picture of what really happened.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 07, 2020 9:20 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
If you have the proof, by all means.

We have already seen the cultists defend “grab ‘em by the pussy”

Actually by the n I thought he meant nuclear bombs in those speeches, it took me a while to figure out he meant if Biden had used the N word. Actually if Biden has anything dems line up to protect him, like many are doing right now with the Biden sexual allegations against him. So yes good post, because they are defending Biden against the sexual allegations, while they did not believe Brett Kavanaugh and attacked him.


*shrugs* so you are not happy the dems are doing what the trumpests did for Kav?

It’s not going to happen simply because all the claims ands and pending cases against you hero.

The assault claim will only be investigated and tried by the court of politics. Even the trump party doesn’t want it going forward as to what it opens the door against trump.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 07, 2020 9:21 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Republicans are out for blood after what the Democrats did with Kavanaugh, and frankly they kind of deserve it at this point.


Well BS. I disagree. Kav was placed. They like it for political fodder. They will not be doing much on the legal front.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu May 07, 2020 9:24 am

The Black Forrest wrote:The assault claim will only be investigated and tried by the court of politics. Even the trump party doesn’t want it going forward as to what it opens the door against trump.

I will say that nobody really cares about the truthfulness of these claims. Just the letter after the accused's name. I'd say it's a sad indictment of our political system, but it's about what we should expect at this point.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu May 07, 2020 12:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:The assault claim will only be investigated and tried by the court of politics. Even the trump party doesn’t want it going forward as to what it opens the door against trump.


Door's been open against Trump for a few years now. Don't think they're worried about that.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu May 07, 2020 12:05 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Republicans are out for blood after what the Democrats did with Kavanaugh, and frankly they kind of deserve it at this point.

Republicans rushed the FBI investigation of the accusations of Kavanaugh far too quickly for us to get a full picture of what really happened.


Biden won't even get an FBI investigation. If Trump direct the AG to begin one, you'd all complain he was being a dictator.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu May 07, 2020 12:07 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Republicans rushed the FBI investigation of the accusations of Kavanaugh far too quickly for us to get a full picture of what really happened.


Biden won't even get an FBI investigation. If Trump direct the AG to begin one, you'd all complain he was being a dictator.


It's worth noting that while Trump's allies hound Biden for the allegations, Trump himself has taken a more conciliatory tone, which is a strange thing to see. Quoting from Politico here;

“I’ve been falsely accused by people that I’ve never even seen,” Trump told conservative radio host Dan Bongino. “And some of these people, I met them — zero interest, OK? Like zero. So I guess in a way you could say I’m, I’m sticking up for him (Biden).”
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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 07, 2020 12:07 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Republicans rushed the FBI investigation of the accusations of Kavanaugh far too quickly for us to get a full picture of what really happened.


Biden won't even get an FBI investigation. If Trump direct the AG to begin one, you'd all complain he was being a dictator.

Pfffft. Please, an investigation would be good. Besides, Trump could have saved himself an impeachment. :)
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Postby Rijkenlandd » Thu May 07, 2020 12:10 pm

It's quite funny to witness all this; this just shows that Democrats don't care about #MeToo, only using it for their own political gain and not giving a shit about the women that accuse.

If they proceed with Biden, they will lose any an all moral high ground and can expect to lose the electorate yet again. Have they not learned from their mistakes?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu May 07, 2020 12:19 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Republicans rushed the FBI investigation of the accusations of Kavanaugh far too quickly for us to get a full picture of what really happened.


Biden won't even get an FBI investigation. If Trump direct the AG to begin one, you'd all complain he was being a dictator.


Well, it wasn't an unreasonable allegation when Trump was launching an unreasonable investigation for blatantly partisan purposes like Trump did in his negotiations with Ukraine. But this is a different situation. For one thing, this is a purely domestic affair and doesn't involve bullying a foreign ally. Furthermore, rape is a different crime: more serious, but also harder to investigate. And finally this is something that many Democrats are concerned about and not just obviously phony scandal made up by Trump and his cronies out of the blue. But I think the investigation would better be treated as a bipartisan cooperation for the good of the country rather than a ploy to take down a political opponent. In fact, I think we need rape investigations against both Biden and Trump.
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Postby Tokora » Thu May 07, 2020 4:13 pm

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Tokora wrote:Not to rain on your parade, but there are a few problems with implying Trump is god fearing.


About that.

James 5:1-6 has Jesus going on a full tirade against those that worship profit.


I see you purposefully cherry picked quotes to suit your own needs, pretty fucking scummy but what could one expect?

It's not cherry picking if you link the entire article, let alone eight.

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Nazeroth wrote:
Idk

I only know that we have two sides in this country who dynamically oppose eachother, there ideas cannot coexist

So you actually support dividing the county in half? There have always been two sides against each other. It only got much worse with the internet.

My opinion is that when the south seceded the first time we should've just went "good riddance" and offer all escaping blacks asylum. Nothing good came from shackling ourselves to a sore loser.

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Postby The South Falls » Thu May 07, 2020 4:17 pm

Rijkenlandd wrote:It's quite funny to witness all this; this just shows that Democrats don't care about #MeToo, only using it for their own political gain and not giving a shit about the women that accuse.

If they proceed with Biden, they will lose any an all moral high ground and can expect to lose the electorate yet again. Have they not learned from their mistakes?

Where do they go from here? Unless they're ready to elect some random DNC puppet, I think it's too late to change candidates.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 4:18 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Rijkenlandd wrote:It's quite funny to witness all this; this just shows that Democrats don't care about #MeToo, only using it for their own political gain and not giving a shit about the women that accuse.

If they proceed with Biden, they will lose any an all moral high ground and can expect to lose the electorate yet again. Have they not learned from their mistakes?

Where do they go from here? Unless they're ready to elect some random DNC puppet, I think it's too late to change candidates.


Vote third party and show they have some brains towards the future
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Postby The South Falls » Thu May 07, 2020 4:19 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Where do they go from here? Unless they're ready to elect some random DNC puppet, I think it's too late to change candidates.


Vote third party and show they have some brains towards the future

Ah, the choices. Libertarians or greens. If the supreme meme known as Gary Johnson runs again I might do it, otherwise, no dice.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu May 07, 2020 4:28 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:You’re assuming every right winger voted for Trump (or just voted, for that matter)

Which is a pretty bold take

And that every left winger voted, too.

Which we know for a fact many did not since they hated Clinton as well
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu May 07, 2020 4:30 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Isn't that entirely reasonable to you, though? That Democrats should slavishly defend Biden while condemning Kavanaugh for exactly the same thing, since they are Proud Democrats who think Biden will Make America Great Again?


Can’t answer the MAGA question as the MAGA people haven’t explain what it means or the process around it.

Should the claim be investigated? Sure. Just as the 14-16 claims against trump.

It’s not going to happen though. The trumpests like it for the political points. Wouldn’t mind it if it did happen through other means. They don’t want an investigation just because of their leader and what it could mean for him.


Donald Trump supporters calling Biden a rapist are like a pot calling a kettle black.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 4:35 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Can’t answer the MAGA question as the MAGA people haven’t explain what it means or the process around it.

Should the claim be investigated? Sure. Just as the 14-16 claims against trump.

It’s not going to happen though. The trumpests like it for the political points. Wouldn’t mind it if it did happen through other means. They don’t want an investigation just because of their leader and what it could mean for him.


That literally translates to trump supporters are rapists

Might want to reword that.

Donald Trump supporters calling Biden a rapist are like a pot calling a kettle black.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 07, 2020 5:08 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:The assault claim will only be investigated and tried by the court of politics. Even the trump party doesn’t want it going forward as to what it opens the door against trump.


Door's been open against Trump for a few years now. Don't think they're worried about that.


No...not really. You have all that nonsense about not being able to go after a sitting President.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 07, 2020 5:08 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Republicans rushed the FBI investigation of the accusations of Kavanaugh far too quickly for us to get a full picture of what really happened.


Biden won't even get an FBI investigation. If Trump direct the AG to begin one, you'd all complain he was being a dictator.


You don’t see a problem with trump calling for an investigation of Biden?
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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 07, 2020 6:06 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Can’t answer the MAGA question as the MAGA people haven’t explain what it means or the process around it.

Should the claim be investigated? Sure. Just as the 14-16 claims against trump.

It’s not going to happen though. The trumpests like it for the political points. Wouldn’t mind it if it did happen through other means. They don’t want an investigation just because of their leader and what it could mean for him.


Donald Trump supporters calling Biden a rapist are like a pot calling a kettle black.

He actually would. Unironically called Bill Clinton a rapist during the 2016 campaign.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu May 07, 2020 6:31 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Republicans rushed the FBI investigation of the accusations of Kavanaugh far too quickly for us to get a full picture of what really happened.


Biden won't even get an FBI investigation. If Trump direct the AG to begin one, you'd all complain he was being a dictator.


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Postby Myrensis » Thu May 07, 2020 7:33 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Weism Dus Imperium wrote:It boils down to whomever is president, gets most of the shit, now it’s trump who is being dare I say “bashed”
And yes this is radical in my life, the media has been somewhat biased, but now... MmMmMm


Yeah they were biased now they are practically a propaganda wing


You're correct, Fox has basically become Trump's Ministry of Truth at this point.

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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 07, 2020 7:54 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Yeah they were biased now they are practically a propaganda wing


You're correct, Fox has basically become Trump's Ministry of Truth at this point.

And Trump at times manage to make them uncomfortable.
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