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What is the best way for Democrats to proceed into 2020?

Keep Biden and focus on Trump's abuses
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Keep Biden with the intention of looking further into the complaint after the election
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Replace Biden
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Other (explain)
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Postby Godular » Wed May 06, 2020 11:43 pm

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Again, trump rallys were subjected to mob harassment and even attack, its not “both sides”

I’m guessing he was a Right winger but remember the man who waved the Nazi flag at a Sanders rally? I would count they as harassment.


If seem to recall something about Charlottesville, m’self.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:43 pm

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Again, trump rallys were subjected to mob harassment and even attack, its not “both sides”

I’m guessing he was a Right winger but remember the man who waved the Nazi flag at a Sanders rally? I would count they as harassment.


Waving a flag is whatever

Im talking spitting, blocking peoples way, throwing things etc etc
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:44 pm

Godular wrote:
Bobabay wrote:I’m guessing he was a Right winger but remember the man who waved the Nazi flag at a Sanders rally? I would count they as harassment.


If seem to recall something about Charlottesville, m’self.


A unique event not the norm.
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Postby Godular » Wed May 06, 2020 11:46 pm

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And I wasn’t saying otherwise. What I was saying that under Trump, the problem is SIGNIFICANTLY more pronounced.

Because he holds the idea that anyone who doesn’t support him hates America.


I wouldn’t go that far. The trend I see is that he just takes every remotely negative thing said about him as a personal insult, including constructive criticism.
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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:46 pm

Godular wrote:
Bobabay wrote:I’m guessing he was a Right winger but remember the man who waved the Nazi flag at a Sanders rally? I would count they as harassment.


If seem to recall something about Charlottesville, m’self.

I was thinking about that but it was basically a far-right rally fighting counter protesters so it doesn’t fit his criteria. Even though the protest was so odious on its own it demonstrates the point.

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Postby Albrenia » Wed May 06, 2020 11:48 pm

Speaking of the problem of worsening divide in the US, I do hope all those claiming for a 'civil war' if Trump loses or Biden loses are just talking shit. Your last civil war was incredibly deadly and you guys are rather more adept at killing each other nowadays.

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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:48 pm

Godular wrote:
Bobabay wrote:Because he holds the idea that anyone who doesn’t support him hates America.


I wouldn’t go that far. The trend I see is that he just takes every remotely negative thing said about him as a personal insult, including constructive criticism.

I’m subscribed to his campaign texts and they are usually. “10 patriots already donated!” Or “Friend, fellow supporters who love America already donated” so I get the idea that if you don’t donate you are there opposite of loving America, which is hate.

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:50 pm

Albrenia wrote:Speaking of the problem of worsening divide in the US, I do hope all those claiming for a 'civil war' if Trump loses or Biden loses are just talking shit. Your last civil war was incredibly deadly and you guys are rather more adept at killing each other nowadays.


Nah were past that point, were balkanizing
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Postby Godular » Wed May 06, 2020 11:53 pm

Bobabay wrote:
Godular wrote:
I wouldn’t go that far. The trend I see is that he just takes every remotely negative thing said about him as a personal insult, including constructive criticism.

I’m subscribed to his campaign texts and they are usually. “10 patriots already donated!” Or “Friend, fellow supporters who love America already donated” so I get the idea that if you don’t donate you are there opposite of loving America, which is hate.


I mostly just chalk that up to him being a drama-whore.

Granted, that’s the biggest part of the problem anyway.
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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:56 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Speaking of the problem of worsening divide in the US, I do hope all those claiming for a 'civil war' if Trump loses or Biden loses are just talking shit. Your last civil war was incredibly deadly and you guys are rather more adept at killing each other nowadays.


Nah were past that point, were balkanizing

If were balkanizing who is gonna be Bosnia? I feel like Colorado.

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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:58 pm

Godular wrote:
Bobabay wrote:I’m subscribed to his campaign texts and they are usually. “10 patriots already donated!” Or “Friend, fellow supporters who love America already donated” so I get the idea that if you don’t donate you are there opposite of loving America, which is hate.


I mostly just chalk that up to him being a drama-whore.

Granted, that’s the biggest part of the problem anyway.

His irresponsibility for what he says.

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:59 pm

Bobabay wrote:
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Nah were past that point, were balkanizing

If were balkanizing who is gonna be Bosnia? I feel like Colorado.


Idk

I only know that we have two sides in this country who dynamically oppose eachother, there ideas cannot coexist
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Postby Bobabay » Thu May 07, 2020 12:02 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Bobabay wrote:If were balkanizing who is gonna be Bosnia? I feel like Colorado.


Idk

I only know that we have two sides in this country who dynamically oppose eachother, there ideas cannot coexist

So you actually support dividing the county in half? There have always been two sides against each other. It only got much worse with the internet.

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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 12:06 am

Bobabay wrote:
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Idk

I only know that we have two sides in this country who dynamically oppose eachother, there ideas cannot coexist

So you actually support dividing the county in half? There have always been two sides against each other. It only got much worse with the internet.


I support splitting the country for the sake of everyone in it, peaceful seperation is honestly the only way we can save lives at this point.

Otherwise we will have mass unrest and civil war/insurgency

From my side: we will not be called nazis and evil white men forever, when we protest with our weapons were called terrorists. Its as simple as that.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu May 07, 2020 12:44 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Bobabay wrote:So you actually support dividing the county in half? There have always been two sides against each other. It only got much worse with the internet.


I support splitting the country for the sake of everyone in it, peaceful seperation is honestly the only way we can save lives at this point.

Otherwise we will have mass unrest and civil war/insurgency

From my side: we will not be called nazis and evil white men forever, when we protest with our weapons were called terrorists. Its as simple as that.


I mean, if one resorts to shooting people as a response to being called a nazi, that's just murder. Hopefully that's not what you mean by 'protesting with weapons' though.

Maybe don't take being called names so badly. Learn from the 'SJW' types poor example of what happens when people take that sort of thing too seriously.

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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 12:46 am

Albrenia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
I support splitting the country for the sake of everyone in it, peaceful seperation is honestly the only way we can save lives at this point.

Otherwise we will have mass unrest and civil war/insurgency

From my side: we will not be called nazis and evil white men forever, when we protest with our weapons were called terrorists. Its as simple as that.


I mean, if one resorts to shooting people as a response to being called a nazi, that's just murder. Hopefully that's not what you mean by 'protesting with weapons' though.

Maybe don't take being called names so badly. Learn from the 'SJW' types poor example of what happens when people take that sort of thing too seriously.


We had 2,000 armed men/women protest peacefully and were called nazis and white extremists by the mainstream media(not a single shot fired)

Thats just one example, there is a much larger and broader issue at play here, im just pointing out one ingedient that will make this shit sandwitch.

Again, the left and right in america are balkanizing.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu May 07, 2020 12:51 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I mean, if one resorts to shooting people as a response to being called a nazi, that's just murder. Hopefully that's not what you mean by 'protesting with weapons' though.

Maybe don't take being called names so badly. Learn from the 'SJW' types poor example of what happens when people take that sort of thing too seriously.


We had 2,000 armed men/women protest peacefully and were called nazis and white extremists by the mainstream media(not a single shot fired)

Thats just one example, there is a much larger and broader issue at play here, im just pointing out one ingedient that will make this shit sandwitch.

Again, the left and right in america are balkanizing.


Ah, ok then. I don't have problems with people posing with guns in a protest as long as they don't start shooting people. Although myself I consider it to give an unpleasantly threatening tone to the protest.

I hope the US can mend its division somehow, although to be honest that seems unlikely at this time.

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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 12:52 am

Albrenia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
We had 2,000 armed men/women protest peacefully and were called nazis and white extremists by the mainstream media(not a single shot fired)

Thats just one example, there is a much larger and broader issue at play here, im just pointing out one ingedient that will make this shit sandwitch.

Again, the left and right in america are balkanizing.


Ah, ok then. I don't have problems with people posing with guns in a protest as long as they don't start shooting people. Although myself I consider it to give an unpleasantly threatening tone to the protest.

I hope the US can mend its division somehow, although to be honest that seems unlikely at this time.


You cannot mend fire with ice, the two sides are radicaly opposed and share little in values.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu May 07, 2020 12:54 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Ah, ok then. I don't have problems with people posing with guns in a protest as long as they don't start shooting people. Although myself I consider it to give an unpleasantly threatening tone to the protest.

I hope the US can mend its division somehow, although to be honest that seems unlikely at this time.


You cannot mend fire with ice, the two sides are radicaly opposed and share little in values.


What happens to the 'purple' states in this sort of split? Or would it be fifty little individual states rather than Democratland and Republia?

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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 12:55 am

Albrenia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
You cannot mend fire with ice, the two sides are radicaly opposed and share little in values.


What happens to the 'purple' states in this sort of split? Or would it be fifty little individual states rather than Democratland and Republia?


Idk

Anyways i gtg now and were way off topic
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Postby Albrenia » Thu May 07, 2020 12:55 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
What happens to the 'purple' states in this sort of split? Or would it be fifty little individual states rather than Democratland and Republia?


Idk

Anyways i gtg now and were way off topic


Sorry, I have a bad habit of wandering a bit.

Have a nice day or night. :)

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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 6:32 am

Albrenia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
We had 2,000 armed men/women protest peacefully and were called nazis and white extremists by the mainstream media(not a single shot fired)

Thats just one example, there is a much larger and broader issue at play here, im just pointing out one ingedient that will make this shit sandwitch.

Again, the left and right in america are balkanizing.


Ah, ok then. I don't have problems with people posing with guns in a protest as long as they don't start shooting people. Although myself I consider it to give an unpleasantly threatening tone to the protest.

I hope the US can mend its division somehow, although to be honest that seems unlikely at this time.


Of course, if said peaceful protest happens to have neo-nazis and white supremacists in it, it strikes as unreasonable to get mad when such is pointed out.

Trump has not been assisting on the matter, choosing to be a divisive force rather than a unifying one. Those that hang off of Trump’s every word with the devotion of a religious zealot have little rationale to blame the other side for being divisive. They’ll do it anyway, though.

That being said, there is bias in the media. You can’t stop that. Fox, CNN, BBC, all of ‘em. You just gotta read each story and parse through the commentary to identify the facts of the matter. Outright denial of extant facts though does nobody any favors.

Bringing this back to Biden, I doubt that this will have much of an effect on the election in the long run. The folks voting against were going to do so anyway, and the folks voting for him will still do so. The Swing voters will mostly be decided on the campaign trail.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu May 07, 2020 6:55 am

Bobabay wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Nah were past that point, were balkanizing

If were balkanizing who is gonna be Bosnia? I feel like Colorado.


I'm more interested in who gets to be Eastern Rumelia.

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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 7:04 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Bobabay wrote:If were balkanizing who is gonna be Bosnia? I feel like Colorado.


I'm more interested in who gets to be Eastern Rumelia.


Delaware. Specifically.
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Republicans are out for blood after what the Democrats did with Kavanaugh, and frankly they kind of deserve it at this point.
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