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What is the best way for Democrats to proceed into 2020?

Keep Biden and focus on Trump's abuses
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Keep Biden with the intention of looking further into the complaint after the election
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Replace Biden
108
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Other (explain)
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Postby Weism Dus Imperium » Wed May 06, 2020 11:26 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Dude you post certain things you say Trump has done good. But they think Trump doesn't care. They think Trump cant do no right.


Trump does do some things right. He's not Satan. Nor is he Dick Dastardly who does the Wrong Thing as a point of pride.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about America or its people, except to the extent that they are a source of adoration for him.

He's not Hitler, but I'm pretty damn sure he's an immoral and corrupt person to a stunning extent.

That’s politics, no one is a golden boy/girl but both sides I’ll say are playing evil games with each other, I’m pointing out the fact that the Democratic Party has the media MOSTLY on its side, and that doesn’t help trump defend his actions in any way, which in my eyes is kinda corrupt, it’s ok if you have a different opinion

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:26 pm

Godular wrote:
Weism Dus Imperium wrote:Which is a part of that radical wave I am talking about, no one can take a “no you lost”, everything must be a fight. And it’s sad to see this country be so divided, even now here in a simple game chat room we can see the divide.


People were saying similar stuff about Republican behavior during the Obama admin. The phenomenon is not endemic to one party. It’s just endemic as a whole.


Except republicans were not always harasssing and in some cases attacking obama rallies like what we saw in 2016 where people would no shit form mobs and attack them.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed May 06, 2020 11:28 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Gormwood, you owe me an apology, I am not Bobabay and I can prove it. Bobabay is not one of my nations. Gormwood, you owe me an apology?

I can also prove that I’m not you but I don’t feel like revealing my location.

I don't understand your comment that you don't feel like revealing your location? But I think it is not necessary.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed May 06, 2020 11:29 pm

Weism Dus Imperium wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Trump does do some things right. He's not Satan. Nor is he Dick Dastardly who does the Wrong Thing as a point of pride.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about America or its people, except to the extent that they are a source of adoration for him.

He's not Hitler, but I'm pretty damn sure he's an immoral and corrupt person to a stunning extent.

That’s politics, no one is a golden boy/girl but both sides I’ll say are playing evil games with each other, I’m pointing out the fact that the Democratic Party has the media MOSTLY on its side, and that doesn’t help trump defend his actions in any way, which in my eyes is kinda corrupt, it’s ok if you have a different opinion


I'd love it if the media was unbiased across the board. Journalistic standards seem to be a thing of the past though sadly.

It would be nice if Trump would keep the hysterical wailing about the media lying about him to the things that were actually lies though. Since he's claimed 'fake news' about things which he'd done in the same day. Hell, I might even be closer to supporting him if he did that.

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Postby Weism Dus Imperium » Wed May 06, 2020 11:30 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Godular wrote:
People were saying similar stuff about Republican behavior during the Obama admin. The phenomenon is not endemic to one party. It’s just endemic as a whole.


Except republicans were not always harasssing and in some cases attacking obama rallies like what we saw in 2016 where people would no shit form mobs and attack them.

It boils down to whomever is president, gets most of the shit, now it’s trump who is being dare I say “bashed”
And yes this is radical in my life, the media has been somewhat biased in the past, but now... MmMmMm how extreme
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:30 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Bobabay wrote:I can also prove that I’m not you but I don’t feel like revealing my location.

I don't understand your comment that you don't feel like revealing your location? But I think it is not necessary.


Nobody owes you an apology this is the internet

I just figure everyone is a basement dwelling neckbeard and i get along just fine.
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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:30 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Bobabay wrote:I can also prove that I’m not you but I don’t feel like revealing my location.

I don't understand your comment that you don't feel like revealing your location? But I think it is not necessary.

Never mind it doesn’t matter. Not like we have to prove anything to him anyway.

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:31 pm

Weism Dus Imperium wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Except republicans were not always harasssing and in some cases attacking obama rallies like what we saw in 2016 where people would no shit form mobs and attack them.

It boils down to whomever is president, gets most of the shit, now it’s trump who is being dare I say “bashed”
And yes this is radical in my life, the media has been somewhat biased, but now... MmMmMm


Yeah they were biased now they are practically a propaganda wing
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Postby Albrenia » Wed May 06, 2020 11:32 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Godular wrote:
People were saying similar stuff about Republican behavior during the Obama admin. The phenomenon is not endemic to one party. It’s just endemic as a whole.


Except republicans were not always harasssing and in some cases attacking obama rallies like what we saw in 2016 where people would no shit form mobs and attack them.


Unmitigated agreement there. Nobody should be assaulting others in the streets for their political opinions.

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Postby Godular » Wed May 06, 2020 11:34 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Weism Dus Imperium wrote:That’s politics, no one is a golden boy/girl but both sides I’ll say are playing evil games with each other, I’m pointing out the fact that the Democratic Party has the media MOSTLY on its side, and that doesn’t help trump defend his actions in any way, which in my eyes is kinda corrupt, it’s ok if you have a different opinion


I'd love it if the media was unbiased across the board. Journalistic standards seem to be a thing of the past though sadly.

It would be nice if Trump would keep the hysterical wailing about the media lying about him to the things that were actually lies though. Since he's claimed 'fake news' about things which he'd done in the same day. Hell, I might even be closer to supporting him if he did that.


He’s also demonstrated a significantly more blatant version of taking all the credit for anything remotely good, while foisting the blame for bad stuff on others.The man does not possess the capacity to accept the consequences of his own actions if there is any negative ramification to them at all.

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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:34 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Weism Dus Imperium wrote:It boils down to whomever is president, gets most of the shit, now it’s trump who is being dare I say “bashed”
And yes this is radical in my life, the media has been somewhat biased, but now... MmMmMm


Yeah they were biased now they are practically a propaganda wing

Both sides are basically propaganda wings. Both sides present or omit facts to help their own narrative and neither side gives the other any credit when the do anything good. You can see that with Kav and Biden or with the treatment of Obama/Trump by the opposition. You just pick a narrative to believe or be like me and choose neither and both sides hate you even though I lean Democrat.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed May 06, 2020 11:35 pm

Weism Dus Imperium wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Dude you post certain things you say Trump has done good. But they think Trump doesn't care. They think Trump cant do no right at all.

Which is a part of that radical wave I am talking about, no one can take a “no you lost”, everything must be a fight. And it’s sad to see this country be so divided, even now here in a simple game chat room we can see the divide.

I agree. I for one have always stated, I will never tell anyone I am right and you are wrong based on my facts, I argue my facts on all issues and leave it at that.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:35 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Except republicans were not always harasssing and in some cases attacking obama rallies like what we saw in 2016 where people would no shit form mobs and attack them.


Unmitigated agreement there. Nobody should be assaulting others in the streets for their political opinions.


They would also destroy peoples cars, sometimes when they were driving them

It got so retarded that people were making there trump signs electric because dickheads kept trying to steal them.
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Postby Weism Dus Imperium » Wed May 06, 2020 11:35 pm

Godular wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I'd love it if the media was unbiased across the board. Journalistic standards seem to be a thing of the past though sadly.

It would be nice if Trump would keep the hysterical wailing about the media lying about him to the things that were actually lies though. Since he's claimed 'fake news' about things which he'd done in the same day. Hell, I might even be closer to supporting him if he did that.


He’s also demonstrated a significantly more blatant version of taking all the credit for anything remotely good, while foisting the blame for bad stuff on others.The man does not possess the capacity to accept the consequences of his own actions if there is any negative ramification to them at all.

Again, I’d like to say that is a description of both sides

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Postby New haven america » Wed May 06, 2020 11:35 pm

Godular wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I'd love it if the media was unbiased across the board. Journalistic standards seem to be a thing of the past though sadly.

It would be nice if Trump would keep the hysterical wailing about the media lying about him to the things that were actually lies though. Since he's claimed 'fake news' about things which he'd done in the same day. Hell, I might even be closer to supporting him if he did that.


He’s also demonstrated a significantly more blatant version of taking all the credit for anything remotely good, while foisting the blame for bad stuff on others.The man does not possess the capacity to accept the consequences of his own actions if there is any negative ramification to them at all.

It's almost as if his main claim to fame was being a reality star who loved starting drama and had a history of blaming everyone but himself for everything bad.

Who would've thought this would be the outcome?
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:36 pm

Bobabay wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Yeah they were biased now they are practically a propaganda wing

Both sides are basically propaganda wings. Both sides present or omit facts to help their own narrative and neither side gives the other any credit when the do anything good. You can see that with Kav and Biden or with the treatment of Obama/Trump by the opposition. You just pick a narrative to believe or be like me and choose neither and both sides hate you even though I lean Democrat.


Again, trump rallys were subjected to mob harassment and even attack, its not “both sides”
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Postby Weism Dus Imperium » Wed May 06, 2020 11:37 pm

Bobabay wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Yeah they were biased now they are practically a propaganda wing

Both sides are basically propaganda wings. Both sides present or omit facts to help their own narrative and neither side gives the other any credit when the do anything good. You can see that with Kav and Biden or with the treatment of Obama/Trump by the opposition. You just pick a narrative to believe or be like me and choose neither and both sides hate you even though I lean Democrat.

I’m not saying both sides aren’t presenting “propaganda” I’m saying MOST of the media is pro democrat

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Postby Albrenia » Wed May 06, 2020 11:37 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Unmitigated agreement there. Nobody should be assaulting others in the streets for their political opinions.


They would also destroy peoples cars, sometimes when they were driving them

It got so retarded that people were making there trump signs electric because dickheads kept trying to steal them.


That's actually pretty funny.

"I'm gonna steal this si-zzzzzttt ARRRGG"

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:38 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
They would also destroy peoples cars, sometimes when they were driving them

It got so retarded that people were making there trump signs electric because dickheads kept trying to steal them.


That's actually pretty funny.

"I'm gonna steal this si-zzzzzttt ARRRGG"



As funny as it seems it shows a much bigger and scarier problem.
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Postby Godular » Wed May 06, 2020 11:40 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Except republicans were not always harasssing and in some cases attacking obama rallies like what we saw in 2016 where people would no shit form mobs and attack them.


Unmitigated agreement there. Nobody should be assaulting others in the streets for their political opinions.


*differing definitions of ‘always’*

In any event, any violence in that area strikes me as evenly distributed, even now. The only reason there might be any perceived disparity in violence at rallies can just as easily fall on the note that there were nowhere near as many rallies under Obama.
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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:41 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Bobabay wrote:Both sides are basically propaganda wings. Both sides present or omit facts to help their own narrative and neither side gives the other any credit when the do anything good. You can see that with Kav and Biden or with the treatment of Obama/Trump by the opposition. You just pick a narrative to believe or be like me and choose neither and both sides hate you even though I lean Democrat.


Again, trump rallys were subjected to mob harassment and even attack, its not “both sides”

I’m guessing he was a Right winger but remember the man who waved the Nazi flag at a Sanders rally? I would count they as harassment.

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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 06, 2020 11:41 pm

New haven america wrote:
Godular wrote:
He’s also demonstrated a significantly more blatant version of taking all the credit for anything remotely good, while foisting the blame for bad stuff on others.The man does not possess the capacity to accept the consequences of his own actions if there is any negative ramification to them at all.

It's almost as if his main claim to fame was being a reality star who loved starting drama and had a history of blaming everyone but himself for everything bad.

Who would've thought this would be the outcome?

And unironically the people who support him sneered about how Clinton blamed everyone but herself for losing the election...
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Postby Godular » Wed May 06, 2020 11:41 pm

Weism Dus Imperium wrote:
Godular wrote:
He’s also demonstrated a significantly more blatant version of taking all the credit for anything remotely good, while foisting the blame for bad stuff on others.The man does not possess the capacity to accept the consequences of his own actions if there is any negative ramification to them at all.

Again, I’d like to say that is a description of both sides


And I wasn’t saying otherwise. What I was saying that under Trump, the problem is SIGNIFICANTLY more pronounced.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed May 06, 2020 11:42 pm

Godular wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Unmitigated agreement there. Nobody should be assaulting others in the streets for their political opinions.


*differing definitions of ‘always’*

In any event, any violence in that area strikes me as evenly distributed, even now. The only reason there might be any perceived disparity in violence at rallies can just as easily fall on the note that there were nowhere near as many rallies under Obama.


Show me an obama rally that got the same treatment as the trump rally in chicago
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Postby Bobabay » Wed May 06, 2020 11:43 pm

Godular wrote:
Weism Dus Imperium wrote:Again, I’d like to say that is a description of both sides


And I wasn’t saying otherwise. What I was saying that under Trump, the problem is SIGNIFICANTLY more pronounced.

Because he holds the idea that anyone who doesn’t support him hates America.

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