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What is the best way for Democrats to proceed into 2020?

Keep Biden and focus on Trump's abuses
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Keep Biden with the intention of looking further into the complaint after the election
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Replace Biden
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Other (explain)
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:00 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
The allegations are part of the reason I want him replaced, but the main reason is that I don't think he has any chance against Trump, particularly because of the allegations.

Trump'll use them as a weapon, and "he's innocent!" doesn't matter to someone who doesn't care about truth. The last thing I want is a second term of Trump, and I don't think Biden is the candidate that can stop that.


It doesn't matter what sort of ridiculous allegations Trump will make up if swing voters and Democrats don't believe him. Trump's base might believe him, but they would vote for Trump no matter what anyway.


Remember that last time, the alternative to trump wasn't enough to beat him.
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 5:02 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
It doesn't matter what sort of ridiculous allegations Trump will make up if swing voters and Democrats don't believe him. Trump's base might believe him, but they would vote for Trump no matter what anyway.


Remember that last time, the alternative to trump wasn't enough to beat him.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun May 03, 2020 5:02 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
It doesn't matter what sort of ridiculous allegations Trump will make up if swing voters and Democrats don't believe him. Trump's base might believe him, but they would vote for Trump no matter what anyway.


Remember that last time, the alternative to trump wasn't enough to beat him.


Considering that "the best" they could come up with was Hillary to compete against him, it's almost like Dems wanted Trump to win.

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Postby Free Republics » Sun May 03, 2020 5:03 pm

By nominating Biden, the Democrats re-elected Trump. This was true before the rape allegations and it is true now.

The only question is whether he's going to go down in flames with an awful VP choice like Abrams or Whitmer or he's going to lose by a margin small enough to avoid GOP supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 03, 2020 5:03 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
It doesn't matter what sort of ridiculous allegations Trump will make up if swing voters and Democrats don't believe him. Trump's base might believe him, but they would vote for Trump no matter what anyway.


Remember that last time, the alternative to trump wasn't enough to beat him.


This is a different year with a different nominee. Pretending that this election is exactly the same as 2016 is ridiculous. For one thing, we have the benefit of hindsight and the ability to learn from our past mistakes. A Democratic candidate can absolutely win if they make sure to campaign hard in key rustbelt swing states.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:04 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Remember that last time, the alternative to trump wasn't enough to beat him.


This is a different year with a different nominee. Pretending that this election is exactly the same as 2016 is ridiculous. For one thing, we have the benefit of hindsight and the ability to learn from our past mistakes. A Democratic candidate can absolutely win if they make sure to campaign hard in key rustbelt swing states.


Unfortunately the current candidate is a clown. He doesn't even remember Obama name. I dont know how he could forget since everyone knows who Obama is, but he did. 2011 Biden may have had a fighting chance but this Biden looks doomed.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:05 pm

Free Republics wrote:By nominating Biden, the Democrats re-elected Trump. This was true before the rape allegations and it is true now.

The only question is whether he's going to go down in flames with an awful VP choice like Abrams or Whitmer or he's going to lose by a margin small enough to avoid GOP supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.


Stacy Abrams just sounds whiney the longer she complains about losing the election in Georgia to Brian Kemp, a man with an IQ so low, it's a negative number.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun May 03, 2020 5:08 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Free Republics wrote:By nominating Biden, the Democrats re-elected Trump. This was true before the rape allegations and it is true now.

The only question is whether he's going to go down in flames with an awful VP choice like Abrams or Whitmer or he's going to lose by a margin small enough to avoid GOP supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.


Stacy Abrams just sounds whiney the longer she complains about losing the election in Georgia to Brian Kemp, a man with an IQ so low, it's a negative number.

well she makes his IQ look like its in the positives.

Any ways what I want to see is the DNC treat Biden the same way they treated Justice Kavanagh during his obviously fake sexual assault allegations hearing.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun May 03, 2020 5:09 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Stacy Abrams just sounds whiney the longer she complains about losing the election in Georgia to Brian Kemp, a man with an IQ so low, it's a negative number.

well she makes his IQ look like its in the positives.

Any ways what I want to see is the DNC treat Biden the same way they treated Justice Kavanagh during his obviously fake sexual assault allegations hearing.


Don't hold your breath on that one....

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:13 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:well she makes his IQ look like its in the positives.

Any ways what I want to see is the DNC treat Biden the same way they treated Justice Kavanagh during his obviously fake sexual assault allegations hearing.


Don't hold your breath on that one....


The Democrat establishment are as hypocritical as Trump. Just to run some little trivia facts by you all:

•Bill Clinton molested several women and yet MeToo has yet to catch up to him.

•Obama drone strikes killed thousands of innocent people in the middle east but somehow Trump is the anti Muslim one.

•Biden can call a guy fat and demand he do push-ups but when Trump fat shames, it's bad.

•when a trumpster commits violence, the blame is rightly pinned on him and on trump if trump encouraged it, but when people were violently assaulting Trumpsters at a rally in Chicago, people were blaming...Trump, for them being attacked over politics. Somehow it was Trump's fault that his supporters were attacked.
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Postby SangMar » Sun May 03, 2020 5:15 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:well she makes his IQ look like its in the positives.

Any ways what I want to see is the DNC treat Biden the same way they treated Justice Kavanagh during his obviously fake sexual assault allegations hearing.


Don't hold your breath on that one....


Exactly, the Dems can cry about “muh partisanship!!!!” all they like, but unless they actually show themselves to be better than the Republican Party then they have no room to grandstand and point fingers.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun May 03, 2020 5:25 pm

... Biden too?

Really?

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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 03, 2020 5:35 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Atheris wrote:Biden is anything but normal.


Biden. Make America Even Dumber.


I don't think Biden is 'even dumber' than Trump... although obviously these allegations need some sort of investigation.

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Postby Pythaga » Sun May 03, 2020 6:12 pm

Replacing Biden is probably the best course of action, but I'm unsure who'd they replace him with, or if it's even legally possible considering how primaries and caucuses with their sworn delegates work.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun May 03, 2020 6:24 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Everybody was so worried about a socialist, they picked a rapist instead.

I have a feeling four more years of Trump lie ahead. Four hellish, violent years.


Please no. I don't think I can take four more years of this psychotic circus. It's driving me mad.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun May 03, 2020 6:30 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Remember that last time, the alternative to trump wasn't enough to beat him.


Considering that "the best" they could come up with was Hillary to compete against him, it's almost like Dems wanted Trump to win.


It's entirely possible. Trump knows the Clintons on a personal level. They've been buddies since the 90s. Why do you think he was screeching throughout his whole campaign "Lock Her Up!" and as soon as he got in office, poof. Not a word. Nothing came of it. Just another broken promise.

So yeah, I wouldn't put it past them to have schemed to get on or the other into the White House so they and all the other wealthy elite in America can have it even better than they already did.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun May 03, 2020 7:11 pm

No moving forward. The Democrats have been pretty hung ho for the position that any accusation should be a disqualifying factor and it's too late for a replacement to gain momentum. Not enough supporters will eat crow for Biden and Trump's victory is assured.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 03, 2020 7:31 pm

Bombadil wrote:Indeed, and Kavanaugh should retire from the Supreme Court and Trump should resign as well - I'm glad we all agree on standards of evidence now.

IOKIYAR, silly.
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 7:32 pm

Des-Bal wrote:No moving forward. The Democrats have been pretty hung ho for the position that any accusation should be a disqualifying factor and it's too late for a replacement to gain momentum. Not enough supporters will eat crow for Biden and Trump's victory is assured.

He's probably gonna live for two more years before dropping dead in the Oval Office. Mark my words, he's not going to live through a second term.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Sun May 03, 2020 7:34 pm

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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 03, 2020 7:35 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:You guys need a better candidate to rival my candidate


Are you implying Trump is Russia's candidate? :p

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Postby Kannap » Sun May 03, 2020 7:37 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Indeed, and Kavanaugh should retire from the Supreme Court and Trump should resign as well - I'm glad we all agree on standards of evidence now.

IOKIYAR, silly.


Bombadil was suggesting that they all be held accountable.

You're suggesting none of them be held accountable because the two Republicans haven't been.

Apparently it's just okay, regardless.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 03, 2020 7:46 pm

Kannap wrote:
Gormwood wrote:IOKIYAR, silly.


Bombadil was suggesting that they all be held accountable.

You're suggesting none of them be held accountable because the two Republicans haven't been.

Apparently it's just okay, regardless.

That is some serious telepathic powers you got there, saying I think none of them should be held accountable because Republicans always get a pass.

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Bookmark that link, you're going to need it a lot.

I guess you're openly advocating it by your logic then.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 03, 2020 7:50 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Bombadil was suggesting that they all be held accountable.

You're suggesting none of them be held accountable because the two Republicans haven't been.

Apparently it's just okay, regardless.

That is some serious telepathic powers you got there, saying I think none of them should be held accountable because Republicans always get a pass.


Republicans don't get a pass though. The Dems (previously) held the high ground on the topic and did their best to bring things to light.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 03, 2020 7:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gormwood wrote:That is some serious telepathic powers you got there, saying I think none of them should be held accountable because Republicans always get a pass.


Republicans don't get a pass though. The Dems (previously) held the high ground on the topic and did their best to bring things to light.

Sure worked for the White House currently!
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