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Moving Forward from Biden Allegations

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What is the best way for Democrats to proceed into 2020?

Keep Biden and focus on Trump's abuses
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Keep Biden with the intention of looking further into the complaint after the election
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Replace Biden
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Other (explain)
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Moving Forward from Biden Allegations

Postby Tokora » Sun May 03, 2020 4:08 pm

The allegations against Biden have complicated the race against Trump. Despite Trump's decades long list of abuses he himself committed, this give him ammo to fuels the "nothing matters" sentiment that helped elect him in 2016. On the one hand, voting out Trump to make sure our democracy continues to exist is a priority, on the other hand, if the allegations are true than Biden should very well be held accountable. In a perfect world both Biden and Trump would be under fire but with Trump and his supporters' philosophy of IDGAF Biden gets most of the focus creating a very uneven playing field regarding to how accountability should be approached.

My personal solution would be for Biden to drop out and for Warren or Sanders to replace him but with the virus going on it looks like the Biden train is going full speed ahead. What do you think is the best option to getting rid of Trump without becoming him?

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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 4:17 pm

I don't think it's possible to replace Biden this late before the election.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 03, 2020 4:20 pm

The Dems have largely lost any high ground to attack Trump on this front given how much they've downplayed it. My personal favorite was Pelosi saying she was pleased with Biden's response before Biden had even acknowledged the allegations.

Ultimately nobody is going to be held accountable and I feel we should all accept a lot of people in politics are shitty, awful people and even things like this are drawn on partisan lines.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 03, 2020 4:21 pm

Atheris wrote:I don't think it's possible to replace Biden this late before the election.


The Democrats haven't even had their convention yet. So, I am pretty sure it is not too late in the case of an extroardinary circumstance like this. Of course, I still think we need to investigate more to find out if the allegations were true or not, but it would be good if we could get that done before it really is too late.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 03, 2020 4:28 pm

Also, while I agree that Democrats should be preparing for the possibility of replacing Biden just in case the allegations turn out to be true, Sanders and Warren would not be good choices to replace Biden. For one thing, Sanders is too far left and likely to alienate voters, for another thing Tara Reade is known to have supported Sanders and Warren, so if Sanders or Warren were the nominee it would look like there might have been a conspiracy from their wing of the party to replace Biden. Klobuchar or Buttigieg would make better replacement candidates.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun May 03, 2020 4:28 pm

Denying it isn't enough, he needs to face trial if he legally can. This is wrong.
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 4:29 pm

Sundiata wrote:Denying it isn't enough, he needs to face trial if he legally can. This is wrong.

Quite ironic coming from a Catholic. (I jest, I jest.)
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Postby Sundiata » Sun May 03, 2020 4:32 pm

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Denying it isn't enough, he needs to face trial if he legally can. This is wrong.

Quite ironic coming from a Catholic. (I jest, I jest.)

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 4:37 pm

Everybody was so worried about a socialist, they picked a rapist instead.

I have a feeling four more years of Trump lie ahead. Four hellish, violent years.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 4:39 pm

My tolerance for Gretchen Whitmer finally ended after she said there was no way Biden raped someone cause "I know him and he's a nice guy." Gretchen you didn't need to say anything but here you are coming to the defense of a molester.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 03, 2020 4:42 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:My tolerance for Gretchen Whitmer finally ended after she said there was no way Biden raped someone cause "I know him and he's a nice guy." Gretchen you didn't need to say anything but here you are coming to the defense of a molester.


What makes you so sure about that? It sounds like you are jumping to conclusions just like Governor Whitmer herself.
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 4:42 pm

Biden should be replaced. He doesn't have the same populist appeal of Trump, and a record that makes him an easy to attack for Trump and difficult to defend for the Democrats (regardless of if he's guilty of the accusations or not).

But he probably won't, and Donald Trump might beat him come the election, meaning the asshole gets a second term.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun May 03, 2020 4:42 pm

Indeed, and Kavanaugh should retire from the Supreme Court and Trump should resign as well - I'm glad we all agree on standards of evidence now.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 4:43 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:My tolerance for Gretchen Whitmer finally ended after she said there was no way Biden raped someone cause "I know him and he's a nice guy." Gretchen you didn't need to say anything but here you are coming to the defense of a molester.


What makes you so sure about that? It sounds like you are jumping to conclusions just like Governor Whitmer herself.


I don't know if Biden is a rapist, but there are many sexual harassment accusations against him and there are actual videos of him creeping on kids. Little heuritistic here, if multiple women who don't know each other say a man sexually harassed them, 99% of the time it's because he did. He's an old perv like Trump.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 4:44 pm

Bombadil wrote:Indeed, and Kavanaugh should retire from the Supreme Court and Trump should resign as well - I'm glad we all agree on standards of evidence now.


Trump should have resigned long ago for many a reason, and I am certain there are over 10 women in this world who were minding their own business when Trump walked up on them, began fingerings them under their dress and whispered in their ear "don't try to fight it."
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 03, 2020 4:46 pm

Estanglia wrote:Biden should be replaced. He doesn't have the same populist appeal of Trump, and a record that makes him an easy to attack for Trump and difficult to defend for the Democrats (regardless of if he's guilty of the accusations or not).

But he probably won't, and Donald Trump might beat him come the election, meaning the asshole gets a second term.


If he is replaced even though he appears innocent there would likely be a strong backlash. The allegations need to be investigated thoroughly before the convention and if the evidence seems to support the allegations I would support replacing him. But I only support replacing him if he actually commited a crime. If people just don't like his personality or political platform, that is their problem.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 4:47 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Biden should be replaced. He doesn't have the same populist appeal of Trump, and a record that makes him an easy to attack for Trump and difficult to defend for the Democrats (regardless of if he's guilty of the accusations or not).

But he probably won't, and Donald Trump might beat him come the election, meaning the asshole gets a second term.


If he is replaced even though he appears innocent there would likely be a strong backlash. The allegations need to be investigated thoroughly before the convention and if the evidence seems to support the allegations I would support replacing him. But I only support replacing him if he actually commited a crime. If people just don't like his personality or political platform, that is their problem.


I believe that if he did nothing wrong, he should not be replaced, but if he legit is a rapist...please, we don't need to vote for that.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 03, 2020 4:49 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
If he is replaced even though he appears innocent there would likely be a strong backlash. The allegations need to be investigated thoroughly before the convention and if the evidence seems to support the allegations I would support replacing him. But I only support replacing him if he actually commited a crime. If people just don't like his personality or political platform, that is their problem.


I believe that if he did nothing wrong, he should not be replaced, but if he legit is a rapist...please, we don't need to vote for that.

Ok then. It appears we agree on something. :clap:
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 4:50 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I believe that if he did nothing wrong, he should not be replaced, but if he legit is a rapist...please, we don't need to vote for that.

Ok then. It appears we agree on something. :clap:


I want an investigation, and not a witch hunt. I think it is very likely biden raped Tara, but nothing is 100% certain and there is always the possibility he didn't do it, so if he did nothing wrong, I'm sure he would be okay with being investigated.
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 4:52 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Biden should be replaced. He doesn't have the same populist appeal of Trump, and a record that makes him an easy to attack for Trump and difficult to defend for the Democrats (regardless of if he's guilty of the accusations or not).

But he probably won't, and Donald Trump might beat him come the election, meaning the asshole gets a second term.


If he is replaced even though he appears innocent there would likely be a strong backlash. The allegations need to be investigated thoroughly before the convention and if the evidence seems to support the allegations I would support replacing him. But I only support replacing him if he actually commited a crime. If people just don't like his personality or political platform, that is their problem.


The allegations are part of the reason I want him replaced, but the main reason is that I don't think he has any chance against Trump, particularly because of the allegations.

Trump'll use them as a weapon, and "he's innocent!" doesn't matter to someone who doesn't care about truth. The last thing I want is a second term of Trump, and I don't think Biden is the candidate that can stop that.
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Postby Bromagia » Sun May 03, 2020 4:54 pm

Nobody is voting for Biden. It's his VP you'll be voting for. Biden himself I don't see finishing a 4 year term.

On the sex assault matter and general creepiness, it's not enough for the party to drop him. He is the candidate. Whoever he picks for VP better have a lot more charisma than he does, though, or Trump will win from Democrat voter apathy.
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 4:55 pm

We will soon need a dedicated Biden Thread. To absorb all other Biden threads. MANA.

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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 4:56 pm

Nakena wrote:We will soon need a dedicated Biden Thread. To absorb all other Biden threads. MANA.

Make America Normal Again

Biden is anything but normal.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 4:57 pm

Atheris wrote:
Nakena wrote:We will soon need a dedicated Biden Thread. To absorb all other Biden threads. MANA.

Make America Normal Again

Biden is anything but normal.


Biden. Make America Even Dumber.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 03, 2020 4:59 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
If he is replaced even though he appears innocent there would likely be a strong backlash. The allegations need to be investigated thoroughly before the convention and if the evidence seems to support the allegations I would support replacing him. But I only support replacing him if he actually commited a crime. If people just don't like his personality or political platform, that is their problem.


The allegations are part of the reason I want him replaced, but the main reason is that I don't think he has any chance against Trump, particularly because of the allegations.

Trump'll use them as a weapon, and "he's innocent!" doesn't matter to someone who doesn't care about truth. The last thing I want is a second term of Trump, and I don't think Biden is the candidate that can stop that.


It doesn't matter what sort of ridiculous allegations Trump will make up if swing voters and Democrats don't believe him. Trump's base might believe him, but they would vote for Trump no matter what anyway.
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