Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Ethel mermania]

That a big no from me. The government should not be tracking your every move. That is straight out of Orwell's 1984

With sufficient adoption this could track down every case in the country, get them into quarantine or hospital, and exterminate the virus.

But the government might find out that you visited a prostitute on tuesday morning ... too high a price to pay!


Actually the ap is supposed to only release information to government with the user's consent. But I'm pretty much assuming it will malfunction and spill my location information and I don't care. My phone company for one knows the location of my phone every minute it's turned on, I actually trust them LESS than I do government.

I wouldnt download it, not would I submit to contact tracing either. I comply with stay at home, social distancing, and wearing a mask. Government has no business knowing where I have been. And yes I often turn off my phone when I travel.

[Fartsniffage]

With sufficient adoption this could track down every case in the country, get them into quarantine or hospital, and exterminate the virus.

But the government might find out that you visited a prostitute on tuesday morning ... too high a price to pay!


Actually the ap is supposed to only release information to government with the user's consent. But I'm pretty much assuming it will malfunction and spill my location information and I don't care. My phone company for one knows the location of my phone every minute it's turned on, I actually trust them LESS than I do government.

I wouldnt download it, not would I submit to contact tracing either. I comply with stay at home, social distancing, and wearing a mask. Government has no business knowing where I have been. And yes I often turn off my phone when I travel.

Do you also pay for everything in cash and wear a full face mask when you travel?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Apparently, colds and flus weren't a thibg till about 200 years ago, which really makes you wonder about the history of this bloody thing. I wonder how it will play out for places with herd immunity vs places without herd immunity, especially when they re-open the borders

Maybe everyone was so sick with colds and flu and who knows what else, nobody even realized it was a disease!

You've forgotten what happens when mom and dad go away for the weekend.

Look, many of them are responsible and will do sensible things, maybe even including homework. But they won't learn nearly as much of the curriculum at home. I'm mostly concerned about their education. The younger kids I'm concerned about their education AND the extra childcare duties of their parents.

Schools were still open when the virus was around, how much did covid spread in/through the "petri dish"?

In nyc. About 50 teachers died, because the moron of a school chancellor bullied the schools into hiding the covid infections.

Some evidence is better than none at all. But how did those teachers catch it? From outside the school, from each other at school, or from the students?

I'm not insensitive to the interests of teachers, but if the risk is from each other not the kids, I don't see why workplace accomodations can't be made. Perhaps those who are old or otherwise at particular risk could be furloughed and a partial school week (with staggered year cohorts) arranged to make do with fewer teachers.

I really am prepared to change my mind, if someone can show me significant transmission between children at school, OR significant transmission from children to teachers.

[Ethel mermania]

I wouldnt download it, not would I submit to contact tracing either. I comply with stay at home, social distancing, and wearing a mask. Government has no business knowing where I have been. And yes I often turn off my phone when I travel.

Do you also pay for everything in cash and wear a full face mask when you travel?

Pay in cash mostly, but that is more to hide it from the wife. Covering your nose will disrupt most facial recognition software.


Full disclosure: security camera planning is part of my job.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

With sufficient adoption this could track down every case in the country, get them into quarantine or hospital, and exterminate the virus.

But the government might find out that you visited a prostitute on tuesday morning ... too high a price to pay!


Actually the ap is supposed to only release information to government with the user's consent. But I'm pretty much assuming it will malfunction and spill my location information and I don't care. My phone company for one knows the location of my phone every minute it's turned on, I actually trust them LESS than I do government.

I wouldnt download it, not would I submit to contact tracing either. I comply with stay at home, social distancing, and wearing a mask. Government has no business knowing where I have been. And yes I often turn off my phone when I travel.

You wouldn't submit to contract tracing EVER? So if you tested positive and a government official (or doctor on behalf of the government) asked you who you'd met in the last week ... you wouldn't tell them ANYTHING?

[Kannap]

That a big no from me. The government should not be tracking your every move. That is straight out of Orwell's 1984

With sufficient adoption this could track down every case in the country, get them into quarantine or hospital, and exterminate the virus.

But the government might find out that you visited a prostitute on tuesday morning ... too high a price to pay!


Actually the ap is supposed to only release information to government with the user's consent. But I'm pretty much assuming it will malfunction and spill my location information and I don't care. My phone company for one knows the location of my phone every minute it's turned on, I actually trust them LESS than I do government.

Google periodically sends me ominous emails asking me how I enjoyed a place I went to a few days ago, just have Google continue tracking everybody at all times like they already do

[The Alma Mater]

Ok doomer.

One is only a doomer if one believes it cannot be stopped or at least mitigated.
happily it can.

But if people keep yelling everything should reopen NOW and that nothing whatsoever should change and we should just return exactly to where we were... well..

Or to rephrase: people like San Lumen are destroying broadway and concerts.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Do you also pay for everything in cash and wear a full face mask when you travel?

Pay in cash mostly, but that is more to hide it from the wife.

Um, is your marriage in trouble would you say?

[Ethel mermania]

Apparently, colds and flus weren't a thibg till about 200 years ago, which really makes you wonder about the history of this bloody thing. I wonder how it will play out for places with herd immunity vs places without herd immunity, especially when they re-open the borders

Maybe everyone was so sick with colds and flu and who knows what else, nobody even realized it was a disease!

In nyc. About 50 teachers died, because the moron of a school chancellor bullied the schools into hiding the covid infections.

Some evidence is better than none at all. But how did those teachers catch it? From outside the school, from each other at school, or from the students?

I'm not insensitive to the interests of teachers, but if the risk is from each other not the kids, I don't see why workplace accomodations can't be made. Perhaps those who are old or otherwise at particular risk could be furloughed and a partial school week (with staggered year cohorts) arranged to make do with fewer teachers.

I really am prepared to change my mind, if someone can show me significant transmission between children at school, OR significant transmission from children to teachers.

That I cant answer, I got the information from a union email,

This is from April 20th, but does not speak to the question you asked.

https://abc7ny.com/coronavirus-nyc-teac ... s/6117522/

I dont know that BOE did any contact tracing. As I said earlier from the top they tried to bury it and keep the schools open.

[Fartsniffage]

Do you also pay for everything in cash and wear a full face mask when you travel?

Pay in cash mostly, but that is more to hide it from the wife. Covering your nose will disrupt most facial recognition software.


Full disclosure: security camera planning is part of my job.

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[Vassenor]

Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover

The scientist whose advice prompted Boris Johnson to lock down Britain resigned from his Government advisory position on Tuesday night as The Telegraph can reveal he broke social distancing rules to meet his married lover.

Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing in order to reduce the spread of coronavirus. The woman lives with her husband and their children in another house.

The epidemiologist leads the team at Imperial College London that produced the computer-modelled research that led to the national lockdown, which claimed that more than 500,000 Britons would die without the measures.

Prof Ferguson has frequently appeared in the media to support the lockdown and praised the "very intensive social distancing" measures.

The revelation of the "illegal" trysts will infuriate millions of couples living apart and banned by the Government from meeting up during the lockdown, which is now in its seventh week.

Jesus christ, dude. Play by your own god damn rules.

[Ethel mermania]

Pay in cash mostly, but that is more to hide it from the wife. Covering your nose will disrupt most facial recognition software.


Full disclosure: security camera planning is part of my job.

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LOLOL, no. The AI uses your nose to center and define your face. I would assume they will fix that soon enough.

[Australian rePublic]

What happens when Australia reopens her borders to the world, the disease has become more aggressive, and we have no herd immunity. Did anyone think this through?

The last I heard 5 million (of Australia's 25 million) people had installed a government ap called COVID-safe. Which tracks where you go and who (with the ap themselves) you come near.

I think the idea is that if someone you were near later tests positive for covid, you get a notification. And vice versa.

When it was first announced, government said it wouldn't be compulsory. My guess though, is they have some target adoption like half of all adults, and if that's not reached then it will be made compulsory. Probably the way vaccination is made compulsory by refusing pre-school: no ap, no government services.

I support the tracking ap, and will get around to installing it any day now.

That a big no from me. The government should not be tracking your every move. That is straight out of Orwell's 1984

I've already downloaded it. The government insists that they can't use it to track your every move. And even if they could use it to track your every move, so what? They can already do that with or without this app. T his makes it negligibly easier

[San Lumen]

What happens when Australia reopens her borders to the world, the disease has become more aggressive, and we have no herd immunity. Did anyone think this through?

That a big no from me. The government should not be tracking your every move. That is straight out of Orwell's 1984

I've already downloaded it. The government insists that they can't use it to track your every move. And even if they could use it to track your every move, so what? They can already do that with or without this app. T his makes it negligibly easier

as long as they don't use it for nefarious means I might be open to the idea.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

With sufficient adoption this could track down every case in the country, get them into quarantine or hospital, and exterminate the virus.

But the government might find out that you visited a prostitute on tuesday morning ... too high a price to pay!


Actually the ap is supposed to only release information to government with the user's consent. But I'm pretty much assuming it will malfunction and spill my location information and I don't care. My phone company for one knows the location of my phone every minute it's turned on, I actually trust them LESS than I do government.

Google periodically sends me ominous emails asking me how I enjoyed a place I went to a few days ago, just have Google continue tracking everybody at all times like they already do

Yeah, you can tell Google not to but won't stop you being tracked. Turn off bluetooth AND wireless when you leave the house, because they both send out a unique number which other phones (that more promiscuous information users have installed certain aps on) report back to the ap developer. Probably to Google too.

This is where it really gets scary for people who are afraid of government tracking. Google is a huge company which makes it's money knowing things about the users, yet somehow that doesn't bother the anti-government people. They're not even bothered that Google will sell information, they're all "government should get a warrant" and they haven't read the contracts they ticked OK to. The scary bit? It's not just Google. They don't know who actually made half the aps on their phone. It could be government. It could be China's government. It could be fucking anybody.

The bottom line is: if you don't want to be tracked by government, leave your phone at home.

[Gormwood]

Ok doomer.

One is only a doomer if one believes it cannot be stopped or at least mitigated.
happily it can.

But if people keep yelling everything should reopen NOW and that nothing whatsoever should change and we should just return exactly to where we were... well..

Or to rephrase: people like San Lumen are destroying broadway and concerts.

He probably thinks the elderly and sick should die for his economy.

[San Lumen]

One is only a doomer if one believes it cannot be stopped or at least mitigated.
happily it can.

But if people keep yelling everything should reopen NOW and that nothing whatsoever should change and we should just return exactly to where we were... well..

Or to rephrase: people like San Lumen are destroying broadway and concerts.

He probably thinks the elderly and sick should die for his economy.

I never said anything of the sort. Stop twisting my words

[Ethel mermania]

Pay in cash mostly, but that is more to hide it from the wife.

Um, is your marriage in trouble would you say?

Lolol, only if she finds out.

But for example for our anniversary I bought her present in cash. That way she didnt know what it was till I gave it to her.

Seriously though she sees the cash withdraws from the bank. As policy I would rather not spread around my debit card numbers to the world. So even when we go on vacation I will pull a wad of cash before we go, and spend that.

[Knask]

Phew! Well, I'm glad that's all over. Who's up for a game of golf?

White House coronavirus task force will be phased down around Memorial Day.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

What happens when Australia reopens her borders to the world, the disease has become more aggressive, and we have no herd immunity. Did anyone think this through?

We're not going to open our borders. The tourism industry is going to have to make do with New Zealanders. But interestingly:

"Domestic tourism is a significant part of the tourism industry, representing 73% of the total direct tourism GDP" --Wikipedia.

Australia being bigger than New Zealand, I think they'll be quite happy with Aussie tourists. Who might have preferred to go somewhere else (Bali, England, Europe) but won't if they can't get back in. They'll go to New Zealand instead.

There's another industry which relies on open borders, it's our higher education sector. But I think a lot of the students currently here will just stay. Now consider that a degree is usually three years, that's how long it will take before there are no foreign students. It's hardly a crisis.

Notice how hard the government is trying to make the Working Visa people stay? Can't get replacements you see.

[Australian rePublic]

What happens when Australia reopens her borders to the world, the disease has become more aggressive, and we have no herd immunity. Did anyone think this through?

We're not going to open our borders. The tourism industry is going to have to make do with New Zealanders. But interestingly:

"Domestic tourism is a significant part of the tourism industry, representing 73% of the total direct tourism GDP" --Wikipedia.

Australia being bigger than New Zealand, I think they'll be quite happy with Aussie tourists. Who might have preferred to go somewhere else (Bali, England, Europe) but won't if they can't get back in. They'll go to New Zealand instead.

There's another industry which relies on open borders, it's our higher education sector. But I think a lot of the students currently here will just stay. Now consider that a degree is usually three years, that's how long it will take before there are no foreign students. It's hardly a crisis.

Notice how hard the government is trying to make the Working Visa people stay? Can't get replacements you see.

You mean our borders will remain closed permanently past three years mark? Un-bloody likely. I can't see that happening. Also, are you kidding? Unis want more foreign students. That's why they're so pro-China

[Greater Miami Shores]

He probably thinks the elderly and sick should die for his economy.

I never said anything of the sort. Stop twisting my words

I think you don't want to see anyone die because of this evil virus, despite your different views. No one wants people to die of this evil virus, despite their different views.

[Australian rePublic]

Um, is your marriage in trouble would you say?

Lolol, only if she finds out.

But for example for our anniversary I bought her present in cash. That way she didnt know what it was till I gave it to her.

Seriously though she sees the cash withdraws from the bank. As policy I would rather not spread around my debit card numbers to the world. So even when we go on vacation I will pull a wad of cash before we go, and spend that.

I like cash too

[San Lumen]

We're not going to open our borders. The tourism industry is going to have to make do with New Zealanders. But interestingly:

"Domestic tourism is a significant part of the tourism industry, representing 73% of the total direct tourism GDP" --Wikipedia.

Australia being bigger than New Zealand, I think they'll be quite happy with Aussie tourists. Who might have preferred to go somewhere else (Bali, England, Europe) but won't if they can't get back in. They'll go to New Zealand instead.

There's another industry which relies on open borders, it's our higher education sector. But I think a lot of the students currently here will just stay. Now consider that a degree is usually three years, that's how long it will take before there are no foreign students. It's hardly a crisis.

Notice how hard the government is trying to make the Working Visa people stay? Can't get replacements you see.

You mean our borders will remain closed permanently past three years mark? Un-bloody likely. I can't see that happening. Also, are you kidding? Unis want more foreign students. That's why they're so pro-China

Australia is closing its borders for three years? That's insane

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Um, is your marriage in trouble would you say?

Lolol, only if she finds out.

But for example for our anniversary I bought her present in cash. That way she didnt know what it was till I gave it to her.

Seriously though she sees the cash withdraws from the bank. As policy I would rather not spread around my debit card numbers to the world. So even when we go on vacation I will pull a wad of cash before we go, and spend that.

That's a good explanation. Keeping secrets from your wife might have been a bad sign, but presents should of course be secret!

I also hate to use credit cards, only do it when I have to spend online. Likewise EFTPOS, I prefer cash. Not fear so much, rather I am stingy and don't like to give away information for nothing. Information is worth money to companies, they should offer me a discount or something if they want it from me.

Hmm, actually "points" on a loyalty card are a kind of payment for information. Annoyingly indirect though.