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South Odreria 2 wrote:

Brazil now has the world’s second-worst outbreak behind the United States, with more than 374,000 confirmed cases. More than 23,000 Brazilians have died from COVID-19.

“So what?” Bolsonaro said recently when asked by reporters about Brazil’s mounting fatalities. “What do you want me to do?”

Incredible leadership right there.

This is the kind of effective leadership you get with a populist strongman. Just getting in there and doing what needs to be done for the good of the nation.

Australian rePublic wrote:

San Lumen wrote:No I would not ban it but the government should not be mandating it

Alright San Lumen, since you hate everything that everyone's proposed, you're in charge of New York State under current conditions. The USA's federal government gives you 100% absolute power to do whatever you want to your own state, then what do you do?

Let businesses decide for themselves.

San Lumen wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Alright San Lumen, since you hate everything that everyone's proposed, you're in charge of New York State under current conditions. The USA's federal government gives you 100% absolute power to do whatever you want to your own state, then what do you do?

Let businesses decide for themselves.

*Morgan freeman voice* ah yes, the Sweden approach.

So, it seems pres trump is sliding further from the plot again. Starting a war with twitter. This should be fun/worrying.

San Lumen wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Alright San Lumen, since you hate everything that everyone's proposed, you're in charge of New York State under current conditions. The USA's federal government gives you 100% absolute power to do whatever you want to your own state, then what do you do?

Let businesses decide for themselves.

Never pegged you for one of those free market fairy believers.

Juristonia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Let businesses decide for themselves.

Never pegged you for one of those free market fairy believers.

I have always been a moderate Democrat

San Lumen wrote:I have always been a moderate Democrat

I'll shit on moderates any chance I'll get, but even moderate democrats fully understand that letting business decide in matters of national health is mindbogglingly stupid.

Rojava Free State wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Let businesses decide for themselves.

*Morgan freeman voice* ah yes, the Sweden approach.

No, Sweden actually regulated businesses. It's more like the Russian approach

Australian rePublic wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
*Morgan freeman voice* ah yes, the Sweden approach.

No, Sweden actually regulated businesses. It's more like the Russian approach

and Sweden isn’t on the verge of bankrupting entire towns and destroying entire industries

Instead they just have a high death rate.
Much better.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/sweden-p ... =true&r=US

San Lumen wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:No, Sweden actually regulated businesses. It's more like the Russian approach

and Sweden isn’t on the verge of bankrupting entire towns and destroying entire industries

The US is the richest country on the planet by a considerable margin. It is mind bogglingly wealthy.

How you can comment about towns going bankrupt and industries going under due to a shortfall in money coming in for just a few months without also including a paragraph of scathing commentary on the utter failings of the US federal government, State governments, and local government is beyond me.

Literally every other developed country and most of the developing countries have handled this crisis without having to face towns going bankrupt and entire industries failing. Why is the USA so shit?

You know, all this has really got me to wonder who exactly are the "experts" whom are cited all the time by journalists, of all the articles I’ve read, only a handful have actually cited the particular scientist making the claim, most just vaguely say "experts say this" or "scientists say this"

I'd suggest reading better articles.

Aureumterra wrote:You know, all this has really got me to wonder who exactly are the "experts" whom are cited all the time by journalists, of all the articles I’ve read, only a handful have actually cited the particular scientist making the claim, most just vaguely say "experts say this" or "scientists say this"

If you’re reading online, there should ideally be a footnote somewhere which cites the particular scientists.

Then again considering the way journalism has been going in modern times, I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn't

Aureumterra wrote:You know, all this has really got me to wonder who exactly are the "experts" whom are cited all the time by journalists, of all the articles I’ve read, only a handful have actually cited the particular scientist making the claim, most just vaguely say "experts say this" or "scientists say this"

Ofc. That way they cannot be checked. And no doubt there are plenty of scientists will to have an opinion so they arr not even lying.
If the opinion of a geologist is relevant when talking about the spread of disease... well.

Fartsniffage wrote:

San Lumen wrote:and Sweden isn’t on the verge of bankrupting entire towns and destroying entire industries

The US is the richest country on the planet by a considerable margin. It is mind bogglingly wealthy.

How you can comment about towns going bankrupt and industries going under due to a shortfall in money coming in for just a few months without also including a paragraph of scathing commentary on the utter failings of the US federal government, State governments, and local government is beyond me.

Literally every other developed country and most of the developing countries have handled this crisis without having to face towns going bankrupt and entire industries failing. Why is the USA so shit?

Because we’ve let many problems fester for years without doing anything about it. We only put band aids on larger problems

San Lumen wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
The US is the richest country on the planet by a considerable margin. It is mind bogglingly wealthy.

How you can comment about towns going bankrupt and industries going under due to a shortfall in money coming in for just a few months without also including a paragraph of scathing commentary on the utter failings of the US federal government, State governments, and local government is beyond me.

Literally every other developed country and most of the developing countries have handled this crisis without having to face towns going bankrupt and entire industries failing. Why is the USA so shit?

Because we’ve let many problems fester for years without doing anything about it. We only put band aids on larger problems

So maybe it's time for things to start collapsing.

Fartsniffage wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Because we’ve let many problems fester for years without doing anything about it. We only put band aids on larger problems

So maybe it's time for things to start collapsing.

There seems to be very little interest in maintaining or in improving the US infrastructure. They are slowly rotting from the inside.

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/499440-california-to-allow-places-of-worship-to-reopen-in-store-retail-shopping

California will allow religious services to resume and retail to reopen

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... en-june-15
Most shops in in the UK will be allowed to reopen june 15th

The UK has been in Lockdown longer than the US, so we have been able to (at least) keep a second spike from happening.

Celritannia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/499440-california-to-allow-places-of-worship-to-reopen-in-store-retail-shopping

California will allow religious services to resume and retail to reopen

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... en-june-15
Most shops in in the UK will be allowed to reopen june 15th

The UK has been in Lockdown longer than the US, so we have been able to (at least) keep a second spike from happening.

You’re not acting like entitled snowflakes in most cases.

AP-NORC poll: Half of Americans would get a COVID-19 vaccine

Only about half of Americans say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine if the scientists working furiously to create one succeed, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

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Gormwood wrote:AP-NORC poll: Half of Americans would get a COVID-19 vaccine

Only about half of Americans say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine if the scientists working furiously to create one succeed, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

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Wow. That’s shockingly low numbers. I’m embarrassed for my country

The CDC says that antibody tests should not be used for decisions on returning to work.

They cite the test's questionable accuracy and stated it remains unknown how immune one is or how long it lasts. This comes as Washington DC will lift their stay-at-home order on Friday and will enter into Phase One.

The Mayor cites the fact the city has seen a 2-week decline in cases and adequate testing in place though they are remaining cautious. They continue to recommend people stay six feet apart and wear masks. The order allows non-essential retail to sell curbside only, hair salons by appointments only, and restaurants with outdoor seating can open as long as they adhere to the guidelines. Gatherings of more than 10 people are still banned.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
The UK has been in Lockdown longer than the US, so we have been able to (at least) keep a second spike from happening.

You’re not acting like entitled snowflakes in most cases.

Ironically the British government is.

Zurkerx wrote:The CDC says that antibody tests should not be used for decisions on returning to work.

They cite the test's questionable accuracy and stated it remains unknown how immune one is or how long it lasts. This comes as Washington DC will lift their stay-at-home order on Friday and will enter into Phase One.

The Mayor cites the fact the city has seen a 2-week decline in cases and adequate testing in place though they are remaining cautious. They continue to recommend people stay six feet apart and wear masks. The order allows non-essential retail to sell curbside only, hair salons by appointments only, and restaurants with outdoor seating can open as long as they adhere to the guidelines. Gatherings of more than 10 people are still banned.

Was reading that the tests are wrong half the time.