Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Kyapo]

Slowing it is better than nothing. Considering how large Australia's tropics are, we can set up temporary camps away from existing cities, for the people from down south, isolated from the rest of the tropics. The only problem is finding a source of water

The alternative to relocating the entire population of Australia isn't "nothing". There are lots of things people can do to slow the spread of the virus other than concentrating the whole country in one relatively small area. And even if the weather is warmer in that one area, moving the whole country there would massively increase the spread of the virus. One step forward, a hundred thousand steps back. And relocating the whole country would be enormously expensive. Like, you understand how many people are in Australia, yeah? You can't just hire a few fucking buses, we're talking about moving millions of people. Moving them to camps that you would first have to build, which would take years.

But even if we pretend that somehow you could magically create massive amounts of living space overnight and magically teleport everyone in Australia there, then what? You say in later posts that you don't think that the lockdown can be maintained, but what the hell are you planning to do after moving everyone up north?

This, plus infrastructure overload and other comunicable diseases and unhappy locals overloaded, finding everyone in the rural areas and telling them their moveing and and and and. . .

[Salandriagado]

It isn't "summer stops it", it's "it transfers somewhat more easily in winter". In particular, those hot countries with lots of cases generally have other issues driving case numbers up (got it early with less warning, sociocultural factors, limited social distancing, etc.). The main takeaway here is that we should worry about countries like Chile that have gotten off lightly so far, but might struggle as they enter into their winter over the next couple of months.

Then shouldn't we be encouraging travel to hot climates? At least here in Australia where we have large swathes of tropics. If heat is supposed to slow down this virus, then why would QLD close all regional travel of less than 250 kilometres? Shouldn't they be encouraging people to holiday up in Townsville or Cairns?

Slow =/= stop. That would result in far more spread than not doing that (because people would be in contact with each other more), and harder to control spread, too (because people would be in contact with people from thousands of miles away).

[Ifreann]

Northern Ireland has no reported covid-19 deaths today.

[Lost Memories]

‘People will think bad things’: Russian governor appears to tell staff to change 'faked' coronavirus figures in leaked audio
Lipetsk governor Igor Artamonov contends his interest was ensuring the accuracy of figures

A leaked audio file purporting to show a regional governor instructing staff to alter data has cast doubt on the reliability of Russia’s Covid-19 statistics.

The recording, released on anonymous social media channels on Monday morning, is muffled and somewhat difficult to decipher.
But the request to “change figures” — by a man whose voice appears to be that of Lipetsk governor Igor Artamonov — is clear enough.
their publication, the voice says, would make “people ... think bad things about [the] region."

The two-minute conversation contains such phrases as: “We need to correct this, to convince Moscow that we don’t have 72 [unclear]”, “don’t put the region’s neck on the line”, “we are at a critical stage, someone’s head needs to to be chopped off”, and “don’t tell me you are soft. Is it really so hard to change the data?”
At one point, the unidentified interlocutor pushes back and says changing the data would not be straightforward. “It’s not a matter of one click and we are done,” he says. “It’s complicated.”
“Then train yourself to do it!” says the first voice. “We’re already trained,” comes the reply.


In a comment to Russian media, Mr Artamonov confirmed the authenticity of the recording but insisted it had been unfairly interpreted.
On the contrary, it was an attempt to correct double reporting on testing figures.
“We have three services,” Mr Artamonov told the Znak publication. “Some give data to one place, and others to another [...] You get a situation where the figures are not entirely factual if you don’t keep a handle on them.”


According to the latest official data, Lipetsk region has recorded just five fatalities from 1696 diagnosed cases of Covid-19. This corresponds to a case fatality rate of 0.29 per cent. In other words, like the rest of Russia, well below the 6.42 per cent current rolling world average.

Whatever the truth behind the leaks, doubts about Russia’s Covid-19 data have persisted for several weeks.
At a minimum, problems in diagnostics have produced a de facto underreporting.
Anecdotally, local tests are no more than 10 per cent accurate, and Russia doesn’t report suspected coronavirus deaths. If you aren’t diagnosed with Covid-19 you can’t die from it.
But there is also evidence of misreporting of figures, with coronavirus deaths in some cases deliberately assigned to other illnesses.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 31461.html

[Cannot think of a name]

Northern Ireland has no reported covid-19 deaths today.

Is that two days in a row?

[Fartsniffage]

Northern Ireland has no reported covid-19 deaths today.

Is that two days in a row?

No. NI had 4 deaths yesterday.

RoI had no deaths yesterday.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

‘People will think bad things’: Russian governor appears to tell staff to change 'faked' coronavirus figures in leaked audio
Lipetsk governor Igor Artamonov contends his interest was ensuring the accuracy of figures

A leaked audio file purporting to show a regional governor instructing staff to alter data has cast doubt on the reliability of Russia’s Covid-19 statistics.

The recording, released on anonymous social media channels on Monday morning, is muffled and somewhat difficult to decipher.
But the request to “change figures” — by a man whose voice appears to be that of Lipetsk governor Igor Artamonov — is clear enough.
their publication, the voice says, would make “people ... think bad things about [the] region."

The two-minute conversation contains such phrases as: “We need to correct this, to convince Moscow that we don’t have 72 [unclear]”, “don’t put the region’s neck on the line”, “we are at a critical stage, someone’s head needs to to be chopped off”, and “don’t tell me you are soft. Is it really so hard to change the data?”
At one point, the unidentified interlocutor pushes back and says changing the data would not be straightforward. “It’s not a matter of one click and we are done,” he says. “It’s complicated.”
“Then train yourself to do it!” says the first voice. “We’re already trained,” comes the reply.


In a comment to Russian media, Mr Artamonov confirmed the authenticity of the recording but insisted it had been unfairly interpreted.
On the contrary, it was an attempt to correct double reporting on testing figures.
“We have three services,” Mr Artamonov told the Znak publication. “Some give data to one place, and others to another [...] You get a situation where the figures are not entirely factual if you don’t keep a handle on them.”


According to the latest official data, Lipetsk region has recorded just five fatalities from 1696 diagnosed cases of Covid-19. This corresponds to a case fatality rate of 0.29 per cent. In other words, like the rest of Russia, well below the 6.42 per cent current rolling world average.

Whatever the truth behind the leaks, doubts about Russia’s Covid-19 data have persisted for several weeks.
At a minimum, problems in diagnostics have produced a de facto underreporting.
Anecdotally, local tests are no more than 10 per cent accurate, and Russia doesn’t report suspected coronavirus deaths. If you aren’t diagnosed with Covid-19 you can’t die from it.
But there is also evidence of misreporting of figures, with coronavirus deaths in some cases deliberately assigned to other illnesses.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 31461.html

And the whole world gasped in shock.

Was anybody actually taking Russia's death rate seriously, especially with the state of their health system?

[Kyapo]

‘People will think bad things’: Russian governor appears to tell staff to change 'faked' coronavirus figures in leaked audio
Lipetsk governor Igor Artamonov contends his interest was ensuring the accuracy of figures

A leaked audio file purporting to show a regional governor instructing staff to alter data has cast doubt on the reliability of Russia’s Covid-19 statistics.

The recording, released on anonymous social media channels on Monday morning, is muffled and somewhat difficult to decipher.
But the request to “change figures” — by a man whose voice appears to be that of Lipetsk governor Igor Artamonov — is clear enough.
their publication, the voice says, would make “people ... think bad things about [the] region."

The two-minute conversation contains such phrases as: “We need to correct this, to convince Moscow that we don’t have 72 [unclear]”, “don’t put the region’s neck on the line”, “we are at a critical stage, someone’s head needs to to be chopped off”, and “don’t tell me you are soft. Is it really so hard to change the data?”
At one point, the unidentified interlocutor pushes back and says changing the data would not be straightforward. “It’s not a matter of one click and we are done,” he says. “It’s complicated.”
“Then train yourself to do it!” says the first voice. “We’re already trained,” comes the reply.


In a comment to Russian media, Mr Artamonov confirmed the authenticity of the recording but insisted it had been unfairly interpreted.
On the contrary, it was an attempt to correct double reporting on testing figures.
“We have three services,” Mr Artamonov told the Znak publication. “Some give data to one place, and others to another [...] You get a situation where the figures are not entirely factual if you don’t keep a handle on them.”


According to the latest official data, Lipetsk region has recorded just five fatalities from 1696 diagnosed cases of Covid-19. This corresponds to a case fatality rate of 0.29 per cent. In other words, like the rest of Russia, well below the 6.42 per cent current rolling world average.

Whatever the truth behind the leaks, doubts about Russia’s Covid-19 data have persisted for several weeks.
At a minimum, problems in diagnostics have produced a de facto underreporting.
Anecdotally, local tests are no more than 10 per cent accurate, and Russia doesn’t report suspected coronavirus deaths. If you aren’t diagnosed with Covid-19 you can’t die from it.
But there is also evidence of misreporting of figures, with coronavirus deaths in some cases deliberately assigned to other illnesses.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 31461.html

And the whole world gasped in shock.

Was anybody actually taking Russia's death rate seriously, especially with the state of their health system?

No one, including the Russians I should think.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And the whole world gasped in shock.

Was anybody actually taking Russia's death rate seriously, especially with the state of their health system?

No one, including the Russians I should think.

It's probably based on a random number generator.

[Gormwood]

Special Report: Bolsonaro brought in his generals to fight coronavirus. Brazil is losing the battle

Brazil now has the world’s second-worst outbreak behind the United States, with more than 374,000 confirmed cases. More than 23,000 Brazilians have died from COVID-19.

“So what?” Bolsonaro said recently when asked by reporters about Brazil’s mounting fatalities. “What do you want me to do?”

Sociopathic, kakistocrat asshole like his hero Trump.

[South Odreria 2]

Brazil now has the world’s second-worst outbreak behind the United States, with more than 374,000 confirmed cases. More than 23,000 Brazilians have died from COVID-19.

“So what?” Bolsonaro said recently when asked by reporters about Brazil’s mounting fatalities. “What do you want me to do?”

Incredible leadership right there.

[Gormwood]

Brazil now has the world’s second-worst outbreak behind the United States, with more than 374,000 confirmed cases. More than 23,000 Brazilians have died from COVID-19.

“So what?” Bolsonaro said recently when asked by reporters about Brazil’s mounting fatalities. “What do you want me to do?”

Incredible leadership right there.

"I don't take responsibility."

[Fartsniffage]

Well worth a watch, where ever you are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-5 ... type=share

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Well worth a watch, where ever you are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-5 ... type=share

It would be political suicide for him not to reverse them now, after the Cummings saga.

[Fartsniffage]

Well worth a watch, where ever you are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-5 ... type=share

It would be political suicide for him not to reverse them now, after the Cummings saga.

Reverse what?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It would be political suicide for him not to reverse them now, after the Cummings saga.

Reverse what?

The fines. I'm pretty sure many of them will have been given for people doing exactly what Cummings has done, or with as much proof of another breach as they have against cummings.

Those weird cases in which people were randomly stopped on the road by the police, like where they said shit like they'd travelled 150 miles to 'buy bread.' If it was a random road stop the police have no proof that these people didn't obey other social distancing regulations. If they decide to take it to court the government will end up using more money prosecuting these people who suddenly change their story (as they're not under caution when being issued with a fixed penalty notice and so they have not had the stuff about undue inferences read out to them), who now parrot what Cummings has said. I'm pretty sure even if he didn't talk to the pm before doing what he did he wouldn't have been stupid enough not to get legal advice, that doesn't strike me as in his character. If it turns out that due to some weird loophole what he did was in compliance with the law, it instantly throws into doubt any other fines that have been given out.

[Fartsniffage]

Reverse what?

The fines. I'm pretty sure many of them will have been given for people doing exactly what Cummings has done, or with as much proof of another breach as they have against cummings.

Those weird cases in which people were randomly stopped on the road by the police, like where they said shit like they'd travelled 150 miles to 'buy bread.' If it was a random road stop the police have no proof that these people didn't obey other social distancing regulations. If they decide to take it to court the government will end up using more money prosecuting these people who suddenly change their story (as they're not under caution when being issued with a fixed penalty notice and so they have not had the stuff about undue inferences read out to them), who now parrot what Cummings has said. I'm pretty sure even if he didn't talk to the pm before doing what he did he wouldn't have been stupid enough not to get legal advice, that doesn't strike me as in his character. If it turns out that due to some weird loophole what he did was in compliance with the law, it instantly throws into doubt any other fines that have been given out.

Okay. But that has nothing to do with what I linked. It was a video of life in a Covid ward.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The fines. I'm pretty sure many of them will have been given for people doing exactly what Cummings has done, or with as much proof of another breach as they have against cummings.

Those weird cases in which people were randomly stopped on the road by the police, like where they said shit like they'd travelled 150 miles to 'buy bread.' If it was a random road stop the police have no proof that these people didn't obey other social distancing regulations. If they decide to take it to court the government will end up using more money prosecuting these people who suddenly change their story (as they're not under caution when being issued with a fixed penalty notice and so they have not had the stuff about undue inferences read out to them), who now parrot what Cummings has said. I'm pretty sure even if he didn't talk to the pm before doing what he did he wouldn't have been stupid enough not to get legal advice, that doesn't strike me as in his character. If it turns out that due to some weird loophole what he did was in compliance with the law, it instantly throws into doubt any other fines that have been given out.

Okay. But that has nothing to do with what I linked. It was a video of life in a Covid ward.

Oh, the bbc video feed must have changed. The video at the top when I clicked on it was about how Hancock would 'look at' the fines that had been issued.
No wonder you were confused.

[Stellar Colonies]

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

[Rojava Free State]

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

When will gatherings of 10 people be allowed?

[Gormwood]

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

When the second wave hits the same people who bitched about LIBERATION will scream wondering why Newsom opened everything up So Soon.

[Shrillland]

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

We'll be doing the same on Friday, though our theme parks(mostly just Six Flags Great America) won't open until Phase 4 next month.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

We'll be doing the same on Friday, though our theme parks(mostly just Six Flags Great America) won't open until Phase 4 next month.

It does seem everything is starting to move a bit more quickly in terms of re-opening now. There seems to be some light at the end of the tunnel all around Europe and America.

[Stellar Colonies]

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

When will gatherings of 10 people be allowed?

I'm not certain, I can't find any information regarding our state's current policy on gathering sizes.

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

When the second wave hits the same people who bitched about LIBERATION will scream wondering why Newsom ppened everything up So Soon.

Perhaps...

California is shifting into Phase 3 of Reopening, which includes Disneyland and other theme parks, barbershops, and hair salons.

We'll be doing the same on Friday, though our theme parks(mostly just Six Flags Great America) won't open until Phase 4 next month.

Honestly, I'd prefer that our theme parks stay closed for the time being as well. Even if there are restrictions in place, there is still a bit leap between opening hair salons / beauty parlors and theme parks. Hilariously, our Phase 4 appears to include opening stuff like nightclubs and live audience sports as far as I can tell, which I'd think should also include theme parks.

Phase 4 also seems to involve the end of the stay-at-home order. I'm not sure how we can have a stay-at-home order while simultaneously opening theme parks and beauty parlors, but okay.

This link may be out of date

[Aureumterra]

Trump was so tough on xi that he claimed xi did a great job handling the virus until he needed a scapegoat for his own fuck ups.

That's called politeness. Prior to March, the media recognized this and complained that Trump was too mean to China.

The media still complains about Trump being too mean to China, it’s people on the internet who keep repeating Trump is "sucking up to Xi" without any foreign policy to back such a claim up