Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Rojava Free State]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/498567-dewine-lifts-last-of-ohios-stay-at-home-order

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has lifted the last of mandatory restrictions in the state including a ban on large gatherings and is transitioning to strong recommendations

The Safe at Home” order will be replaced with an “Urgent Health Advisory.

Why did he lift the ban on large gatherings? That ought to be in place till there's a vaccine or something else that destroys covid entirely. I agree with lifting lockdowns but getting rid of all restrictions? Oh god Mike what are you doing? Fuck, and I'm just north of him.

[Rojava Free State]

So I did some research and they say immunity to SARS and MERS lasts about two to three years. While this doesn't conclusively prove anything about covid, I would be willing to hypothesize that immunity to this current plague probably lasts about the same length of time since it is a very similar disease to SARS and MERS.

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but it gives me some optimism. If the natural immunity lasts two years, you probably won't get this thing ever again because by the time that wears off, there will likely be a vaccine.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Tangentially related, but have any of you guys heard of the Itaewon incident, where four Korean idols (Jungkook of BTS, Cha Eunwoo of Astro, Mingyu of Seventeen and Jaehyun of NCT) went out to eat in Itaewon? They’re receiving backlash for this, and this is because of a cluster that was spotted in Itaewon a few days ago. They did go a few days before the cluster popped up, and avoided bars (which were noted to be the main locations for clusters). They also weren’t violating any lockdown orders because they were non -existent at the time.

I do, however, agree that the companies should have let them do the two-week quarantine. All of them tested negative, btw.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/498567-dewine-lifts-last-of-ohios-stay-at-home-order

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has lifted the last of mandatory restrictions in the state including a ban on large gatherings and is transitioning to strong recommendations

The Safe at Home” order will be replaced with an “Urgent Health Advisory.

Why did he lift the ban on large gatherings? That ought to be in place till there's a vaccine or something else that destroys covid entirely. I agree with lifting lockdowns but getting rid of all restrictions? Oh god Mike what are you doing? Fuck, and I'm just north of him.

I have absolutely no idea. From what I read it seems he is now leaving it up to the people to express their best judgement and practice good hygiene

So I did some research and they say immunity to SARS and MERS lasts about two to three years. While this doesn't conclusively prove anything about covid, I would be willing to hypothesize that immunity to this current plague probably lasts about the same length of time since it is a very similar disease to SARS and MERS.

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but it gives me some optimism. If the natural immunity lasts two years, you probably won't get this thing ever again because by the time that wears off, there will likely be a vaccine.

That's a very plausible theory

[Vetalia]

Why did he lift the ban on large gatherings? That ought to be in place till there's a vaccine or something else that destroys covid entirely. I agree with lifting lockdowns but getting rid of all restrictions? Oh god Mike what are you doing? Fuck, and I'm just north of him.

It's shifting from a ban to a recommendation; already most if not all large-scale gatherings have been voluntarily postponed or canceled in Ohio by event sponsors. Similarly, most towns and cities have implemented their own restrictions on certain activities as well, and most private-sector companies are doing so on their own. Overall, voluntary compliance is proving to be highly effective.

Also, importantly "The guidelines will say the most vulnerable Ohioans -- people who are 65 and older and people with underlying medical conditions, people with chronic lung disease, moderate-to-severe heart disease, diabetes, obesity should avoid places where they will encounter a lot of people when they go out in public." This is exactly how we should be handling this situation; I think earlier on when less was known about this virus the lockdown approach was best in an excess of caution but now we can tailor these measures to be more effective and increase buy-in by the public. Ohio has seen very little in terms of protests against these measures thanks to DeWine's leadership

Since there's absolutely no strain on the health care system and no indications of any ongoing problems it's not reasonable to continue to uphold stricter measures. Obviously we will need to monitor the situation but I trust Gov. DeWine's leadership in this as he's done such a spectacular job so far. Only 1,720 deaths in a state of 11 million people.

The one area I do have criticism for him on is his decision not to expand mass testing to all nursing home residents and employees. That should be priority #1 as half of our state's deaths are in nursing homes.

[Zurkerx]

In the United States, public health officials in some States are being accused of fudging or bungling COVID-19 testing data to deliberately make things look better than they are.

In Virginia, Texas and Vermont, for example, officials said they have been combining the results of viral tests, which show an active infection, with antibody tests, which show a past infection. Public health experts say that can make for impressive-looking testing totals but does not give a true picture of how the virus is spreading.

In Florida, the data scientist who developed the state’s coronavirus dashboard, Rebekah Jones, said this week that she was fired for refusing to manipulate data “to drum up support for the plan to reopen.” Calls to health officials for comment were not immediately returned Tuesday.

In Georgia, one of the earliest states to ease up on lockdowns and assure the public it was safe to go out again, the Department of Public Health published a graph around May 11 that showed new COVID-19 cases declining over time in the most severely affected counties. The daily entries, however, were not arranged in chronological order but in descending order.

For example, the May 7 totals came right before April 26, which was followed by May 3. A quick look at the graph made it appear as if the decline was smoother than it really was. The graph was taken down within about a day.

I seriously hope this isn't the case.

[Rojava Free State]

In the United States, public health officials in some States are being accused of fudging or bungling COVID-19 testing data to deliberately make things look better than they are.

In Virginia, Texas and Vermont, for example, officials said they have been combining the results of viral tests, which show an active infection, with antibody tests, which show a past infection. Public health experts say that can make for impressive-looking testing totals but does not give a true picture of how the virus is spreading.

In Florida, the data scientist who developed the state’s coronavirus dashboard, Rebekah Jones, said this week that she was fired for refusing to manipulate data “to drum up support for the plan to reopen.” Calls to health officials for comment were not immediately returned Tuesday.

In Georgia, one of the earliest states to ease up on lockdowns and assure the public it was safe to go out again, the Department of Public Health published a graph around May 11 that showed new COVID-19 cases declining over time in the most severely affected counties. The daily entries, however, were not arranged in chronological order but in descending order.

For example, the May 7 totals came right before April 26, which was followed by May 3. A quick look at the graph made it appear as if the decline was smoother than it really was. The graph was taken down within about a day.

I seriously hope this isn't the case.

Looks like Ron DeSantis is going full Wuhan mode.

[San Lumen]

Why did he lift the ban on large gatherings? That ought to be in place till there's a vaccine or something else that destroys covid entirely. I agree with lifting lockdowns but getting rid of all restrictions? Oh god Mike what are you doing? Fuck, and I'm just north of him.

It's shifting from a ban to a recommendation; already most if not all large-scale gatherings have been voluntarily postponed or canceled in Ohio by event sponsors. Similarly, most towns and cities have implemented their own restrictions on certain activities as well, and most private-sector companies are doing so on their own. Overall, voluntary compliance is proving to be highly effective.

Also, importantly "The guidelines will say the most vulnerable Ohioans -- people who are 65 and older and people with underlying medical conditions, people with chronic lung disease, moderate-to-severe heart disease, diabetes, obesity should avoid places where they will encounter a lot of people when they go out in public." This is exactly how we should be handling this situation; I think earlier on when less was known about this virus the lockdown approach was best in an excess of caution but now we can tailor these measures to be more effective and increase buy-in by the public. Ohio has seen very little in terms of protests against these measures thanks to DeWine's leadership

Since there's absolutely no strain on the health care system and no indications of any ongoing problems it's not reasonable to continue to uphold stricter measures. Obviously we will need to monitor the situation but I trust Gov. DeWine's leadership in this as he's done such a spectacular job so far. Only 1,720 deaths in a state of 11 million people.

The one area I do have criticism for him on is his decision not to expand mass testing to all nursing home residents and employees. That should be priority #1 as half of our state's deaths are in nursing homes.

This is how it should be going forward.

[Rojava Free State]

Why did he lift the ban on large gatherings? That ought to be in place till there's a vaccine or something else that destroys covid entirely. I agree with lifting lockdowns but getting rid of all restrictions? Oh god Mike what are you doing? Fuck, and I'm just north of him.

I have absolutely no idea. From what I read it seems he is now leaving it up to the people to express their best judgement and practice good hygiene

So I did some research and they say immunity to SARS and MERS lasts about two to three years. While this doesn't conclusively prove anything about covid, I would be willing to hypothesize that immunity to this current plague probably lasts about the same length of time since it is a very similar disease to SARS and MERS.

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but it gives me some optimism. If the natural immunity lasts two years, you probably won't get this thing ever again because by the time that wears off, there will likely be a vaccine.

That's a very plausible theory

I wouldnt be surprised if covid immunity lasts at least a couple years.

[San Lumen]

I have absolutely no idea. From what I read it seems he is now leaving it up to the people to express their best judgement and practice good hygiene



That's a very plausible theory

I wouldnt be surprised if covid immunity lasts at least a couple years.

I would think for most viruses it does

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... phone-data
58 percent of US citizens are uncomfortable with using smartphone data to trace the virus

[Albrenia]

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/498579-poll-58-percent-of-voters-uncomfortable-using-smartphone-data
58 percent of US citizens are uncomfortable with using smartphone data to trace the virus

Probably even higher than that in reality, to be honest.

Americans seem to despise the government gaining information on them for any reason. So I doubt they'd even go for something as light on as contact-tracking wristbands which can be discarded after the pandemic's over.

[Ethel mermania]

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/498579-poll-58-percent-of-voters-uncomfortable-using-smartphone-data
58 percent of US citizens are uncomfortable with using smartphone data to trace the virus

Probably even higher than that in reality, to be honest.

Americans seem to despise the government gaining information on them for any reason. So I doubt they'd even go for something as light on as contact-tracking wristbands which can be discarded after the pandemic's over.

Laffin, yeah you are right, that is a hard no for me.

[San Lumen]

Probably even higher than that in reality, to be honest.

Americans seem to despise the government gaining information on them for any reason. So I doubt they'd even go for something as light on as contact-tracking wristbands which can be discarded after the pandemic's over.

Laffin, yeah you are right, that is a hard no for me.

Im opposed to it as well

[Rojava Free State]

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/498579-poll-58-percent-of-voters-uncomfortable-using-smartphone-data
58 percent of US citizens are uncomfortable with using smartphone data to trace the virus

Probably even higher than that in reality, to be honest.

Americans seem to despise the government gaining information on them for any reason. So I doubt they'd even go for something as light on as contact-tracking wristbands which can be discarded after the pandemic's over.

Considering everything the US government has done, I don't blame them for not trusting it.

[Albrenia]

Probably even higher than that in reality, to be honest.

Americans seem to despise the government gaining information on them for any reason. So I doubt they'd even go for something as light on as contact-tracking wristbands which can be discarded after the pandemic's over.

Considering everything the US government has done, I don't blame them for not trusting it.

Testing chemical weapons on one's own people does seem to breed distrust. I don't blame them for distrusting it.

[Vetalia]

This is how it should be going forward.

No doubt about it, another win for Governor DeWine.

[San Lumen]

This is how it should be going forward.

No doubt about it, another win for Governor DeWine.

Hopefully every Governor in the US looks to him for how to handle this going forward.

[Rojava Free State]

Considering everything the US government has done, I don't blame them for not trusting it.

Testing chemical weapons on one's own people does seem to breed distrust. I don't blame them for distrusting it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/militar ... ons-2016-9

Oh boy here is some real fucked shit.

[Albrenia]

Testing chemical weapons on one's own people does seem to breed distrust. I don't blame them for distrusting it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/militar ... ons-2016-9

Oh boy here is some real fucked shit.

Frigging hell.

Yeah, not trusting one's government is one of the most understandable traits of US culture.

[Rojava Free State]

Gretchen Whitmer has stated that she wants to move the rest of the state into phases 4 over the next several days. She mentioned them keeping an eye on Lansing's cases but noted the sustained fall in cases and deaths in southeast Michigan, which gives me hope that we will be one of the next regions to reopen.

[Albrenia]

Gretchen Whitmer has stated that she wants to move the rest of the state into phases 4 over the next several days. She mentioned them keeping an eye on Lansing's cases but noted the sustained fall in cases and deaths in southeast Michigan, which gives me hope that we will be one of the next regions to reopen.

Is that the governor that people were complaining was on a power trip just a few days back?

[San Lumen]

Gretchen Whitmer has stated that she wants to move the rest of the state into phases 4 over the next several days. She mentioned them keeping an eye on Lansing's cases but noted the sustained fall in cases and deaths in southeast Michigan, which gives me hope that we will be one of the next regions to reopen.

Is that the governor that people were complaining was on a power trip just a few days back?

Yes that would be her

[Rojava Free State]

Gretchen Whitmer has stated that she wants to move the rest of the state into phases 4 over the next several days. She mentioned them keeping an eye on Lansing's cases but noted the sustained fall in cases and deaths in southeast Michigan, which gives me hope that we will be one of the next regions to reopen.

Is that the governor that people were complaining was on a power trip just a few days back?

There sure seems to be alot of militias around here these days in my state.

[Zurkerx]

Texas, North Carolina, Arizona see rising cases as they reopen.

There are two reasons for the increases: testing has increased and all three States are relaxing their restrictions. This varies from Georgia, which has a slight decrease and Florida's which has remained flat line. Of course, it is possible increases could occur due to some not showing symptoms until about 2 weeks later. Either way, it's a case by case basis.