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Kowani wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Sacrifice too much liberty for safety and there will be no safety from the government. Most governments in the past, present and likely in the future don't usually do something without the ulterior motive of expanding their power or protecting themselves, and already tyrants worldwide are using COVID to expand their power (Orban, dutuerte, etc).

Yeah, but it’s GVH. Mate probably thinks speed limits are tyranny.

Estanglia wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
There will be alot of social consequences because of COVID. It's hard to tell if we are doing everything right now, and that'll only be truly known years from now when COVID no longer exists.

Indeed.

My best-case scenario is that this situation exposes the complete incompetence and in some cases evil of modern governments, people get sick of it and want change, and leads to some long-term positive changes (even if in the short term it worsens).

My worst-case scenario is that in a few years, Coronavirus (or at least the significant threat it poses) is gone, nobody gives a shit about changing anything, and we go right back to pre-pandemic conditions, just with more authoritarian laws slipped through during the pandemic that nobody cares to remove (or, if a state goes full authoritarian, can remove).

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Kowani wrote:Yeah, but it’s GVH. Mate probably thinks speed limits are tyranny.

Daily reminder that GVH thinks rabies quarantine measures aren't for him and introducing an untreatable disease to Britain is just fine.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Estanglia wrote:
Indeed.

My best-case scenario is that this situation exposes the complete incompetence and in some cases evil of modern governments, people get sick of it and want change, and leads to some long-term positive changes (even if in the short term it worsens).

My worst-case scenario is that in a few years, Coronavirus (or at least the significant threat it poses) is gone, nobody gives a shit about changing anything, and we go right back to pre-pandemic conditions, just with more authoritarian laws slipped through during the pandemic that nobody cares to remove (or, if a state goes full authoritarian, can remove).

If we don't learn from this, something worse will come along that is far deadlier and will burn the world to the ground.

*cough cough* Climate Change.

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Yes.

Why?

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Yes.

Why?

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Kowani wrote:Yeah, but it’s GVH. Mate probably thinks speed limits are tyranny.

Daily reminder that GVH thinks rabies quarantine measures aren't for him and introducing an untreatable disease to Britain is just fine.

Ifreann wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Why?

I assume he was too busy contemplating his own farts.

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I assume he was too busy contemplating his own farts.

That’s not an answer

Estanglia wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
If we don't learn from this, something worse will come along that is far deadlier and will burn the world to the ground.

*cough cough* Climate Change.

And then if we don't learn from that impending threat and do something to at least mitigate it (if we can't completely stop it by the time we get off our asses and deal with it), we probably deserve our fate.

The Black Forrest wrote:

San Lumen wrote:That’s not an answer

Fart Proudly.

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I assume he was too busy contemplating his own farts.

That’s not an answer

Ifreann wrote:

San Lumen wrote:That’s not an answer

I said he was wrong, you asked why, I just told you why he was wrong. You are answered.

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I said he was wrong, you asked why, I just told you why he was wrong. You are answered.

No you did not give an answer

The Black Forrest wrote:

San Lumen wrote:No you did not give an answer

How about he was too busy chasing women?

Nakena wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Daily reminder that GVH thinks rabies quarantine measures aren't for him and introducing an untreatable disease to Britain is just fine.

Be careful, GVH has been said to report those to the mods who call him out.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Estanglia wrote:
Either way you sacrifice freedoms.

You either sacrifice the freedoms of many temporarily (assuming you're not living in an authoritarian or about-to-be-authoritarian state) to reduce the number of people who lose their freedoms permanently, or sacrifice the freedoms of a larger number of people permanently to prevent the temporary loss of the freedoms of many.

Their is freedom in the afterlife.

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I said he was wrong, you asked why, I just told you why he was wrong. You are answered.

No you did not give an answer

San Lumen wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
How about he was too busy chasing women?

How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

San Lumen wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
How about he was too busy chasing women?

How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

San Lumen wrote:How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

The fuck is going on

San Lumen wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
How about he was too busy chasing women?

How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

The Black Forrest wrote:

San Lumen wrote:How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

Asked and answered. He was not talking about pandemics.

Diahon wrote:hi

Rojava Free State wrote:

Estanglia wrote:
And then if we don't learn from that impending threat and do something to at least mitigate it (if we can't completely stop it by the time we get off our asses and deal with it), we probably deserve our fate.

We have until 2030 to reverse course and if we don't, we have till either 2050 or 2100 before the modern world comes to an end from floods, fires and famine. I would like to think we will deal with climate change but knowing how people work, let's just say I think my grandkids are gonna be living in cave somewhere in the Michigan marshland, overlooking the half submerged monoliths that once were the Detroit skyline.

San Lumen wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Asked and answered. He was not talking about pandemics.

I don’t think his quote had stipulations