Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Trollgaard]

And what the hell are people supposed to do? Just stay locked down for the rest of the year? Fuck that.

2 months of our lives we have wasted in lockdown. No more.

Leaving lockdown too early will cost some people a lot more than 2 months of their lives.

And that sucks. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Sucky things happen.

Thousands are dying from this, so obviously some restrictions have to be in place. Destroying the economy and forcing millions of people into unemployment, potential food insecurity, homelessness, etc is not a solution.

We've done enough of the lockdowns. Work needs to resume so people can make a living.

People are going to die either way- starting to resume normality will lessen other impacts. Like a great fucking depression. Its a lesser of two evils. More people will likely die from the virus, or more people dying and suffering from the effects of a depression.

Simple as that.

[Nazeroth]

Leaving lockdown too early will cost some people a lot more than 2 months of their lives.

And that sucks. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Sucky things happen.

Thousands are dying from this, so obviously some restrictions have to be in place. Destroying the economy and forcing millions of people into unemployment, potential food insecurity, homelessness, etc is not a solution.

We've done enough of the lockdowns. Work needs to resume so people can make a living.

People are going to die either way- starting to resume normality will lessen other impacts. Like a great fucking depression. Its a lesser of two evils. More people will likely die from the virus, or more people dying and suffering from the effects of a depression.

Simple as that.

Better to have a virus than a virus and a great depression

OPEN OPEN

Plus i want to get another job already.

[Albrenia]

Better to have a virus than a virus and a great depression

You're going to have both anyway.

Unless you really think things would have just chugged on as normal had nothing been done to prevent the spread in the first place. In that case I think you're probably rather deluded.

[Nazeroth]

Better to have a virus than a virus and a great depression

You're going to have both anyway.

Unless you really think things would have just chugged on as normal had nothing been done to prevent the spread in the first place. In that case I think you're probably rather deluded.

True but if this was going to happen anyway why do i keep hearing people bitch

[Bombadil]

China and Korea have reported new outbreaks, meanwhile Trump blithely calls for reopening despite cases rising in the US.. he's taken fuck all responsibility, shown close to no empathy and now, without any real clear plan to slow the virus down he's actually calling for the risks to grow.

At what point can you sue a president for criminal negligence.

And what the hell are people supposed to do? Just stay locked down for the rest of the year? Fuck that.

2 months of our lives we have wasted in lockdown. No more.

I'm not necessarily arguing for continued lockdown, what I am asking for is a clear and coherent plan to mitigate the spread as opposed to 'I don't care how many people die I need the economy working to have a chance of winning in November'.

[Ifreann]

Leaving lockdown too early will cost some people a lot more than 2 months of their lives.

And that sucks. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Sucky things happen.

Thousands are dying from this, so obviously some restrictions have to be in place. Destroying the economy and forcing millions of people into unemployment, potential food insecurity, homelessness, etc is not a solution.

We've done enough of the lockdowns. Work needs to resume so people can make a living.

People are going to die either way- starting to resume normality will lessen other impacts. Like a great fucking depression. Its a lesser of two evils. More people will likely die from the virus, or more people dying and suffering from the effects of a depression.

Simple as that.

Indeed, it is very simple. Your enormously wealthy nation could take steps to provide for the needs of its people for as long as it is necessary to fight this pandemic, but that wouldn't be very profitable and would even threaten the system that funnels wealth into the hands of a small number of people. So instead you're all going to be thrown to the wolves.

[Nazeroth]

And what the hell are people supposed to do? Just stay locked down for the rest of the year? Fuck that.

2 months of our lives we have wasted in lockdown. No more.

I'm not necessarily arguing for continued lockdown, what I am asking for is a clear and coherent plan to mitigate the spread as opposed to 'I don't care how many people die I need the economy working to have a chance of winning in November'.

Slowy re opening like many are doing

Im sorry it will make your opponents look good?

[Trollgaard]

And what the hell are people supposed to do? Just stay locked down for the rest of the year? Fuck that.

2 months of our lives we have wasted in lockdown. No more.

I don't consider saving lives to be a waste. But I have this weird thing where I value human life and think it's good for people to be alive.

You don't seem to be considering the longer term affects of millions upon millions of people becoming jobless in a time when food prices are rising and even America has some potential food shortages.

The virus may kill me, but I know for damn sure starving will, or freezing come winter because I'm homeless, or a myriad of other possiblities will if the economy completely crashes due to these ludicrous shut downs.

People are going to die either way. It sucks.

I'll choose, and honestly I think most people would, choose risking contracting the virus to the worse alternative.

People like you act as if it a certainty the virus will kill you or everyone you know. It won't. Life is not nice all the time. Bad shit happens. Accept it, make the least bad choice, and carry on.

[Albrenia]

You're going to have both anyway.

Unless you really think things would have just chugged on as normal had nothing been done to prevent the spread in the first place. In that case I think you're probably rather deluded.

True but if this was going to happen anyway why do i keep hearing people bitch

Because people, including myself, enjoy bitching about bad things happening. The economy is gonna be in the toilet no matter what, and that's not even taking into account the immense damage having a fraction of those who catch Covid-19 being permanently disabled by it from lung and heart damage.

[Diahon]

You guys really think the world can just economically shrug off the deaths of a few ten thousand or hundred thousand more people due to relaxing restrictions right now? It's not gonna be a thing that just happens; human nature is far more emphatic than that. More people die, more people are traumatized, more people do their own lockdowns -- and so, instead of a managed recovery, a further collapse, and all because of our impatience.

[Bombadil]

I'm not necessarily arguing for continued lockdown, what I am asking for is a clear and coherent plan to mitigate the spread as opposed to 'I don't care how many people die I need the economy working to have a chance of winning in November'.

Slowy re opening like many are doing

Im sorry it will make your opponents look good?

No, it won't unfortunately because the economy is still going to be fucked given uncertainty while the virus continues to spread, it's a hail mary pass the wrong way.

Trump cannot magic the virus away no matter how much he wants to believe he can.

[Albrenia]

Slowy re opening like many are doing

Reopening slowly and at the right time is the correct cause of action. Just screaming 'NO MORE!' is not.

Although those in hard times due to loss of work or income do need to be supported by the government until lockdowns can be appropriately lifted.

[Trollgaard]

And that sucks. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Sucky things happen.

Thousands are dying from this, so obviously some restrictions have to be in place. Destroying the economy and forcing millions of people into unemployment, potential food insecurity, homelessness, etc is not a solution.

We've done enough of the lockdowns. Work needs to resume so people can make a living.

People are going to die either way- starting to resume normality will lessen other impacts. Like a great fucking depression. Its a lesser of two evils. More people will likely die from the virus, or more people dying and suffering from the effects of a depression.

Simple as that.

Indeed, it is very simple. Your enormously wealthy nation could take steps to provide for the needs of its people for as long as it is necessary to fight this pandemic, but that wouldn't be very profitable and would even threaten the system that funnels wealth into the hands of a small number of people. So instead you're all going to be thrown to the wolves.

Hmm.. yeah I'm not about to go commie because of a virus.

[Nazeroth]

Slowy re opening like many are doing

Im sorry it will make your opponents look good?

No, it won't unfortunately because the economy is still going to be fucked given uncertainty while the virus continues to spread, it's a hail mary pass the wrong way.

Trump cannot magic the virus away no matter how much he wants to believe he can.

Hes not magicing it away

Re opening will allow markets to begin recovering, which is not just good for trump its good for america but you seem upset because the after effect might help trump which is selfish imho

[Bombadil]

No, it won't unfortunately because the economy is still going to be fucked given uncertainty while the virus continues to spread, it's a hail mary pass the wrong way.

Trump cannot magic the virus away no matter how much he wants to believe he can.

Hes not magicing it away

Re opening will allow markets to begin recovering, which is not just good for trump its good for america but you seem upset because the after effect might help trump which is selfish imho

A fair few countries have managed this pretty well without the need for lockdowns, they just had a plan.. no country has done well by re-opening while cases are still rising.

It's insanity fuelled by one's man's obsession about himself, he couldn't give a shit about you or anyone else.

[Trollgaard]

You guys really think the world can just economically shrug off the deaths of a few ten thousand or hundred thousand more people due to relaxing restrictions right now? It's not gonna be a thing that just happens; human nature is far more emphatic than that. More people die, more people are traumatized, more people do their own lockdowns -- and so, instead of a managed recovery, a further collapse, and all because of our impatience.

Of course the economy is going to take a hit, but if things can reopen perhaps it can be mitigated somewhat. Better than sitting on our collective asses doing nothing.

[SangMar]

Indeed, it is very simple. Your enormously wealthy nation could take steps to provide for the needs of its people for as long as it is necessary to fight this pandemic, but that wouldn't be very profitable and would even threaten the system that funnels wealth into the hands of a small number of people. So instead you're all going to be thrown to the wolves.

Hmm.. yeah I'm not about to go commie because of a virus.

Helping people is communism? Imagine seeing the world like this. My person, explain what communism is.

[Bombadil]

Hmm.. yeah I'm not about to go commie because of a virus.

Helping people is communism? Imagine seeing the world like this. My person, explain what communism is.

Voluntarily wearing a mask apparently.

[Trollgaard]

Hmm.. yeah I'm not about to go commie because of a virus.

Helping people is communism? Imagine seeing the world like this. My person, explain what communism is.

If you know Ifraenn, than you know he doesn't agree with a lot of America's systems and ways of doing things. And I know he's not really a communist, but I used the term as a lazy crutch.

Nobody, well almost nobody, has issue with helping people.

[SangMar]

Helping people is communism? Imagine seeing the world like this. My person, explain what communism is.

Voluntarily wearing a mask apparently.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Calm down Mao. I’ll call up my good friend Senator McCarthy if I see any more snarky leftist talk out of you.

[Diahon]

You guys really think the world can just economically shrug off the deaths of a few ten thousand or hundred thousand more people due to relaxing restrictions right now? It's not gonna be a thing that just happens; human nature is far more emphatic than that. More people die, more people are traumatized, more people do their own lockdowns -- and so, instead of a managed recovery, a further collapse, and all because of our impatience.

Of course the economy is going to take a hit, but if things can reopen perhaps it can be mitigated somewhat. Better than sitting on our collective asses doing nothing.

Do you think more untraumatized healthy people powering up an economy means an economy that can rise faster from its present doldrums, or perhaps you think quantity matters less than the quality?

[Albrenia]

Helping people is communism? Imagine seeing the world like this. My person, explain what communism is.

If you no If, than you know he doesn't agree with a lot of America's systems and ways of doing things.

Nobody, well almost nobody, has issue with helping people.

Then why did you call helping those in need during a pandemic Communism?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If you no If, than you know he doesn't agree with a lot of America's systems and ways of doing things.

Nobody, well almost nobody, has issue with helping people.

Then why did you call helping those in need during a pandemic Communism?

Because it goes against the trickle down dogma obviously. Imagine these people acquaintancing themselves with the idea that meaningful amounts of wealth never goes from the richest to the poorest. I for one can't.

[SangMar]

Helping people is communism? Imagine seeing the world like this. My person, explain what communism is.

If you no If, than you know he doesn't agree with a lot of America's systems and ways of doing things.

Nobody, well almost nobody, has issue with helping people.

You replied with you’re not about to “go commie” in response to them saying that the US could maybe... rescind the 2nd Amendment, nationalise all businesses... um. Help people with its wealth? Really not seeing any communism there my man.

[Ifreann]

I don't consider saving lives to be a waste. But I have this weird thing where I value human life and think it's good for people to be alive.

You don't seem to be considering the longer term affects of millions upon millions of people becoming jobless in a time when food prices are rising and even America has some potential food shortages.

American farmers are destroying their harvests because with so many food-serving businesses closed, they have no way to sell their produce. It is simply not possible that you will have food shortages in America. You have more than enough food, you just aren't prioritising using it to feed people.

The virus may kill me, but I know for damn sure starving will, or freezing come winter because I'm homeless, or a myriad of other possiblities will if the economy completely crashes due to these ludicrous shut downs.

People are going to die either way. It sucks.

I'll choose, and honestly I think most people would, choose risking contracting the virus to the worse alternative.

The alternatives don't have to be worse, that is what you are failing to consider. You do not need to starve or freeze to fight this pandemic. The only people who say that you will are the people making it so, the people who write the rules, they're the ones saying that you'll be on the streets if you don't get a job.

People like you act as if it a certainty the virus will kill you or everyone you know. It won't.

I've never suggested anything of the sort.

Life is not nice all the time. Bad shit happens. Accept it, make the least bad choice, and carry on.

Accepting bad shit that we can change is just dumb.