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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:It’s worse than just psychological damage, it can lead to depression and very quickly suicidal thoughts

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZhF9T1 ... 4HLOt/view

Long but worth a read.

TL;DR - The number of deaths due to suicide would be dwarfed by the number of deaths due to Covid is the response is fucked up and lockdowns released too soon.

Not nice maths to contemplate but the good of the many and all that.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Americans might be getting $2k a month UBI due to comrade corona

Does this mean the YANG GANG got the last laugh?

Yes

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

-SARS- wrote:
We'll learn sooner or later, when it starts running out for some of the people who got the virus during the first wave of infections.

I guess they're being tested to check they still have antibodies. It's pretty important to know for future planning.

They are, yes, but we won't learn anything for a while - it was always going to be at least a few months (even the cold-causing coronaviruses give a few months of immunity), and even then, it's not quite so cut and dry - you can remain immune without having any antibodies, if you've got memory immune cells chilling out ready to make new antibodies in response to infection. There's also likely to be a fair bit of variation - in particular, we already know that some children have beaten it off without forming antibodies at all (but frankly, probably had such minor infections that it's more a question of them already being immune than of them not becoming immune), and with SARS-CoV-1, the range of seropositivity duration was from ~2 years up to "18 years and counting".

Thermodolia wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Does this mean the YANG GANG got the last laugh?

Yes

All Hail Yang.

Finally, the ultimative victory of the Yang Gang proved to be historically... inevitable.

Thermodolia wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Does this mean the YANG GANG got the last laugh?

Yes

Then I shall await my NEETbucks.

Neutraligon wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:We were warned that this was bound to happen when lockdown is lifted:

That is interesting since it normally takes about a week for people to show symptoms.

Germany has a lot of random testing, though, so I imagine RKI is estimating based on that testing, rather than on more lagging indicators.

State of Turelisa wrote:Misanthropy requires no effort. Misanthropes are, generally, lazy loners who don't have to fend for themselves.

Many people just can’t empathize with those who had an active social life, it’s far worse than it may seem

Rojava Free State wrote:

What we have to tell people honestly, what they want to hear, they don’t want it sugarcoated and they don’t want it coated in fear. But somewhere between now and tomorrow, next year, we’re going to see 60 to 70% of Americans ultimately infected with this virus.

Saw this in a recent covid update from the Guardian and I gotta say is HOLY FUCK. That is nightmare fuel right there, if 60 to 70% of America gets COVID, millions may die.

Thanks Trump. You've doomed countless people to death.

There are some suggestions that it might, if not otherwise stopped, get shut down by herd immunity earlier than that - essentially, there seems to be a very high variance in infectivity that correllates with variation in exposure chance, so it's likely to burn through the (relatively small) more infectious population relatively quickly, leaving only the low-infectivity population (who seem to have an R₀ below 1 just by default) vulnerable. Some modelling suggests numbers around 40-50%.

Green October Z wrote:

Stellar Colonies wrote:There are lockdown protestors less than a mile away in my hometown...

Did they sign medical waivers?

Do US health insurance policies have "reckless behaviour" clauses like you sometimes see in other forms of insurance?

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Americans might be getting $2k a month UBI due to comrade corona

How the fuck are they going to pay for that one?

Relatively easily? It's a large amount of money, but not something the US can't afford for a few months.

With the constant raising of the debt ceiling I'm starting to wonder how long it's going to be until people decide the federal government isn't good for a loan.

Probably when it looks even remotely like they might conceivably fail to repay one exactly according to the terms. That is: never.

Salandriagado wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Saw this in a recent covid update from the Guardian and I gotta say is HOLY FUCK. That is nightmare fuel right there, if 60 to 70% of America gets COVID, millions may die.

Thanks Trump. You've doomed countless people to death.

There are some suggestions that it might, if not otherwise stopped, get shut down by herd immunity earlier than that - essentially, there seems to be a very high variance in infectivity that correllates with variation in exposure chance, so it's likely to burn through the (relatively small) more infectious population relatively quickly, leaving only the low-infectivity population (who seem to have an R₀ below 1 just by default) vulnerable. Some modelling suggests numbers around 40-50%.

I'm worried that when the second wave hits it's going to hit people who's already immune the hardest because of how our immune systems fatally overreact to a reintroduction of corona-type viruses.

The New California Republic wrote:We were warned that this was bound to happen when lockdown is lifted:

Coronavirus infections are rising in Germany, official data shows, just days after the country eased its lockdown restrictions.

According to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), Germany's reproduction rate - the number of people each confirmed patient infects - is now above 1.

This means the number of infections is now rising in the country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676

Big surprise.

Who would have guessed?

Nakena wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:We were warned that this was bound to happen when lockdown is lifted:

Big surprise.

Who would have guessed?

Tbh this is what Swedish epidemiologists are predicting for the rest of Scandinavia who are doing well for now... that once they open it's going to be like exposing virgin uninfected lands to COVID19.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
There are some suggestions that it might, if not otherwise stopped, get shut down by herd immunity earlier than that - essentially, there seems to be a very high variance in infectivity that correllates with variation in exposure chance, so it's likely to burn through the (relatively small) more infectious population relatively quickly, leaving only the low-infectivity population (who seem to have an R₀ below 1 just by default) vulnerable. Some modelling suggests numbers around 40-50%.

I'm worried that when the second wave hits it's going to hit people who's already immune the hardest because of how our immune systems fatally overreact to a reintroduction of corona-type viruses.

Zero other coronaviruses exhibit that behaviour, and this one isn't mutating to a degree that makes it likely. It's a valid concern, but not one that I think more than an extreme outside chance.

Salandriagado wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I'm worried that when the second wave hits it's going to hit people who's already immune the hardest because of how our immune systems fatally overreact to a reintroduction of corona-type viruses.

Zero other coronaviruses exhibit that behaviour, and this one isn't mutating to a degree that makes it likely. It's a valid concern, but not one that I think more than an extreme outside chance.

SARS I does it apparently.
Apparently reinfecting immunised mice with SARS I gives them severe pneumonia.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
Zero other coronaviruses exhibit that behaviour, and this one isn't mutating to a degree that makes it likely. It's a valid concern, but not one that I think more than an extreme outside chance.

SARS I does it apparently.
Apparently reinfecting immunised mice with SARS I gives them severe pneumonia.

This is something different - this is a vaccine attempt that failed in the early trial stages. Many viruses (though not this one so far) exhibit Antibody Dependent Enhancement, where presence of non-neutralising antibodies (that is: antibodies that do not make you immune - commonly antibodies to similar viruses, but also from other sources) can strengthen the virus. That's not the same as a second wave of the virus being more deadly to people who had the first wave.

Nakena wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:We were warned that this was bound to happen when lockdown is lifted:

Big surprise.

Who would have guessed?

I think a better question to ask at this point is who wouldn't have guessed.

Thermodolia wrote:

Aureumterra wrote:I dunno man, maybe some people don’t want to lose their jobs, or have a SO they aren’t able to see anymore?

Americans might be getting $2k a month UBI due to comrade corona

100% guaranteed I won’t be getting a dime just like I didn’t get a dime from the stimulus.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Americans might be getting $2k a month UBI due to comrade corona

100% guaranteed I won’t be getting a dime just like I didn’t get a dime from the stimulus.

Why?

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Blakk Metal wrote:Why is everyone comparing the US to South Korea, and not to a more mediocre country?

That's just mean. S. Korea is a valid comparison. It has liabilities in common with the US: a northern location, dense cities. It has advantages in common: good standard of living, good hospital system. It's actually a good example of what the US could have been, if the US had just acted early and got lots of tests early.

So would you criticize the governments of other countries the way you do the US'?

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Hopefully we can develop effective antiviral treatments for COVID by then so we can at least lessen the severity of things by the time a vaccine gets here.

A good enough treatment would make a vaccine unnecessary.

Which begs the question. After trillions of dollars of investment why haven't pharmas developed some chemical that kills ANY kind of virus in the bloodstream?

Is there some way that killing viruses in the bloodstream is actually bad? Are there any essential viruses we need to stay healthy?

It is a serious question to the experts here. Why do we need to wait for variations of a know virus to appear, then take a year or more to kill the bastard? Why don't we already have a medicine that just kills viruses?

The reason you can't kill viruses is because they are not alive, so they don't have any specialized systems to target like bacteria. Furthermore, since all the virus diseases known are not very deadly, rare, easy to avoid, or easy to vaccinate against, not much money is put into curing them.

Blakk Metal wrote:The reason you can't kill viruses is because they are not alive, so they don't have any specialized systems to target like bacteria. Furthermore, since all the virus diseases known are not very deadly, rare, easy to avoid, or easy to vaccinate against, not much money is put into curing them.

A cure for the flu would be worth billions. Viruses are just really difficult to cure, mostly because they spend most of their time inside human cells. Hard to find a thing that kills them without also killing the cells they reside in.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
There are some suggestions that it might, if not otherwise stopped, get shut down by herd immunity earlier than that - essentially, there seems to be a very high variance in infectivity that correllates with variation in exposure chance, so it's likely to burn through the (relatively small) more infectious population relatively quickly, leaving only the low-infectivity population (who seem to have an R₀ below 1 just by default) vulnerable. Some modelling suggests numbers around 40-50%.

I'm worried that when the second wave hits it's going to hit people who's already immune the hardest because of how our immune systems fatally overreact to a reintroduction of corona-type viruses.

If that happens then 70 % of people catching it woikd be horrible. There would be no herd immunity but instead mass death.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Blakk Metal wrote:The reason you can't kill viruses is because they are not alive, so they don't have any specialized systems to target like bacteria. Furthermore, since all the virus diseases known are not very deadly, rare, easy to avoid, or easy to vaccinate against, not much money is put into curing them.

A cure for the flu would be worth billions.

It would also cost billions to develop, and could very well become ineffective in a few years due to rapid mutation.

Nazeroth wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:100% guaranteed I won’t be getting a dime just like I didn’t get a dime from the stimulus.

Why?

Cause alot of the checks got sent to the wrong address.

Blakk Metal wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
A cure for the flu would be worth billions.

It would also cost billions to develop, and could very well become ineffective in a few years due to rapid mutation.

How about a cure or even a vaccine for HIV?