The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Nazeroth wrote:And if he did do these things we would have another thread on nsg about “trumps being a dictator by holding the nation hostage and not letting people in or out”
Probably, but I’m pretty sure Trump doesn’t read NSG so why would that matter?
I HOPE he doesn't. There are some REALLY bad ideas here which I don't want him exposed to.
Blakk Metal wrote:-SARS- wrote:China's actions do not explain why the US is doing so much worse than somewhere like South Korea. Countries that had some sort of pandemic response plan ready to go have been able to slow the spread a lot more effectively, even if they still have a few cases here or there.
Why is everyone comparing the US to South Korea, and not to a more mediocre country?
That's just mean. S. Korea is a valid comparison. It has liabilities in common with the US: a northern location, dense cities. It has advantages in common: good standard of living, good hospital system. It's actually a good example of what the US could have been, if the US had just acted early and got lots of tests early.
I think there is a critical difference that the US can't do much about. South Korea didn't need a lot of restrictions, because the populace observed the ones they had. According to Galloism that approach is working well in Arkansas, but that doesn't mean it would work across the US.
Bombadil wrote:Nakena wrote:Corona would have hit hard anyways. Maybe not as much but there be other problems including a lot of GOP governors openly defying a democratic presidency and a lot more militias and tea partyiers would be whining big time right now.
Would it change much? There would likely be still 10.000 of deaths...
The single biggest mistake was banning China nationals but allowing floods of Americans to return from China and Europe with zero testing, tracking or tracing.. two weeks of viral incubation later and the mass outbreak occurred.
From Asia direct flights to the US go to NY, Chicago, LA, SF and then Boston and Seattle.. oh look, NY, NJ, Massachusetts, Illinois and California are the top hardest hit states with Washington not too far behind..
..go figure, the president is a dangerous moron.
I agree. Furthermore if it had been China banning any travel out of the country, the US would have demanded it's citizens back
and then not quarantined them. I guess fewer of them would have been infected (it being earlier in China's epidemic) but some certainly would.
Neutraligon wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:And this is why I don't totally miss Obama.
Man think of how much Trump lowered the bar. We look at Biden, a guy who was accused by several women of sexual misconduct and by one of full on rape, and we think he's a viable alternative to this madman.
Biden at least is not a danger to the US. Trump is actively a danger. I wonder how much China's hiding things has to do with the bad blood between the US and China in addition to the saving face thing.
It sort of makes sense. China didn't completely hide the problem, but they did understate it. Taiwan and South Korea who habitually pay a lot of attention to any word from China, got the hint. America and most of the West didn't get it, "there's a new flu-something in China big whoop, that's their problem."
So was it China's fault for understatement, or the US's fault for not paying attention?
I think it was both, but blame has to go to the WHO as well. With medical expertise they should have decoded the information out of China and put it in terms that world leaders can understand. Now I don't believe the WHO should be recommending one way or the other major government policies like shutting down air travel, but they did. They recommended against it. That was a mistake.
SangMar wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Maybe try and keep this to the virus?
You can’t tell me what to do.Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?
Think of it as a war. You're the guy saying "please tell me this will be over by Christmas" and anyone who tells you Yes is lying. They don't actually know.
The virus is our enemy, and we're in the fog of war.
Kargintina the Third wrote:SangMar wrote:You can’t tell me what to do.Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?
Idk about most states but it seems Cuomo wants my state in eternal lockdown
Kargintina the Third wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:That isnt what I heard. It sounds like he wants to end the shelter in place by June.
Incorrect, he plans to just START plans to open in June
The former post is either a lie, or it's a mistake you don't have the decency to retract.
Perhaps you don't want to admit you didn't know your own governor's policy when you sounded off against it?
Nakena wrote:Bombadil wrote:Yep, it's all fun..
On Monday the Republican governor of Nebraska, Pete Ricketts, a close ally of Donald Trump and frequent visitor to the White House, opened his daily coronavirus briefing with a big announcement. “Today is May 4,” he said, “the first day of loosened restrictions statewide.”
With his declaration, Ricketts placed Nebraska at the vanguard of America’s reopening. Churches can now open their doors to worshippers, wedding bells and funeral dirges will be heard once more, hospitals can reschedule elective surgeries, and most Nebraskans will be able to resumehaving their hair cut, nails manicured, bodies massaged and skin tattooed.
Restaurants are once again serving diners, though at half capacity. Nebraska Crossing has become one of the first malls in North America to welcome back shoppers.
It’s a happy day in sunny Nebraska.
But the statistics paint a very different picture. In the last seven days, the state recorded a 57% leap in the daily number of new cases, to a total of 7,190. The death rate too is rising sharply, standing at 90.
Well, I guess Nebraska is then designated as Covid-19 experimental region. What happens if the lockdown is lifted early?
See and what happens. Denizens of Nebraska who do not wish to participate shall remain in personal isolation.
It's an experiment of sorts, but the results will really only apply to medium sized cities and extra-urban areas.
Big cities need restrictions the most, as the unchecked spread of the virus would be fastest there.
The biggest city in Nebraska is Omaha, about half a million. 40th largest in the US, so I'm calling it medium sized.
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 9:09 pm