Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Kargintina the Third]

I can't believe it. Trump's actions are gonna kill potetially hundreds of thousands of Americans, and we can't do anything but watch in horror as he says "no, this is the limit. I'm pushing it."

Turn off the news bud

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Indeed, what capacity there is for a centralised response is seeing the least possible use because the man in charge is more concerned with protecting his own ego than anything else.

Quite simply Trump's only focus is on winning in November and his plan is to get the economy running and then blame the whole virus fiasco on China and the WHO, which is why he's coined Beijing Biden.

Asked whether reopening the economy too soon could have a cost, he replied with a euphemism for death. “Will some people be affected badly? Yes,” he said.

Deaths don't matter, they're mostly affecting the poor and African Americans anyway.

But aren't African Americans living in safe and luxurious inner cities that Trump built for them?

It's like he got into office and was shocked to discover that the President can't bulldoze cities and put up hotels in their place.

That would depend on if people do voting by mail.

Many states run by a certain party are gonna do their best to stop that.

Don't be pessimistic though. Old people vote strongly Republican and famously turn out. Old people are also the most at risk of catching covid at the polling place.

So Republican legislatures might see it as in their own interest to implement postal voting.

But postal votes usually favor Democrats? Yes. But that's normally: Democrats use the postal option to avoid long queues, also postal voting is (rightly or wrongly) seen as a new thing, so young people adopt it more readily. Neither of those really apply when going to the polling place is risky. Everyone, Dem or Rep or whatever, has an equal incentive to use postal votes this time.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Possibly. Not gonna lie. Which is why I also think there are many states hastening their reopening. Provoke infection rate spikes during the summer so they won't have to deal with a worse disaster for flu and CoVID19 season.

Which only works if there is not a 3rd spike during flu season.

Our best bet is finding treatment. I don't bank on a vaccine in the near future, but if we develop treatment for the disease, we may (may) stand a better chance.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Possibly. Not gonna lie. Which is why I also think there are many states hastening their reopening. Provoke infection rate spikes during the summer so they won't have to deal with a worse disaster for flu and CoVID19 season.

A couple weeks ago I was feeling optimistic, but now I feel nothing but dread, and the near future is looking very bleak thanks to the sheer chaos that is the federal response to COVID.

No need to feel dread. Just be realistic. Make a plan for you and your family. Keep masks, gloves, social distance, wash your hands, don't touch your eyes or face, clean surfaces. That's about all you can do to try and minimize your chances of getting it.

[SangMar]

A couple weeks ago I was feeling optimistic, but now I feel nothing but dread, and the near future is looking very bleak thanks to the sheer chaos that is the federal response to COVID.

No need to feel dread. Just be realistic. Make a plan for you and your family. Keep masks, gloves, social distance, wash your hands, don't touch your eyes or face, clean surfaces. That's about all you can do to try and minimize your chances of getting it.

And no street parties.

[-SARS-]

Viruses like going to the mall just like everyone else. We are not really so different from you.

You're not even alive.

I really value human contact, though.

[Punainen Suomi]

I can't believe it. Trump's actions are gonna kill potetially hundreds of thousands of Americans, and we can't do anything but watch in horror as he says "no, this is the limit. I'm pushing it."

Potentially a few million in a worse case scenario, should the states all reopen and social distancing rules are not followed. Considering how bad things already are in some places, hospitals will be overrun very quickly.

[Neutraligon]

Which only works if there is not a 3rd spike during flu season.

Our best bet is finding treatment. I don't bank on a vaccine in the near future, but if we develop treatment for the disease, we may (may) stand a better chance.

Vaccine will likely take at least another year to year and a half, so yes treatment is the best we can do. From what I understand a lot of the issue with this disease is that it strongly effects the blood vessels (any blood vessels), which is why we are seeing more strokes (and might also be why we are seeing people come in with dangerously low oxygen levels but who do not realize they are essentially suffocating).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No need to feel dread. Just be realistic. Make a plan for you and your family. Keep masks, gloves, social distance, wash your hands, don't touch your eyes or face, clean surfaces. That's about all you can do to try and minimize your chances of getting it.

And no street parties.

You remind me of angry man shouting at cloud with that party peeve.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Which only works if there is not a 3rd spike during flu season.

Our best bet is finding treatment. I don't bank on a vaccine in the near future, but if we develop treatment for the disease, we may (may) stand a better chance.

I agree. If we could save (almost all) of the people so sick they have to go to hospital, we could get to herd immunity and hardly even need a vaccine.

Ideally the treatment would be so effective it doesn't even need hospital. Get it from a GP.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Our best bet is finding treatment. I don't bank on a vaccine in the near future, but if we develop treatment for the disease, we may (may) stand a better chance.

Vaccine will likely take at least another year to year and a half, so yes treatment is the best we can do. From what I understand a lot of the issue with this disease is that it strongly effects the blood vessels (any blood vessels), which is why we are seeing more strokes (and might also be why we are seeing people come in with dangerously low oxygen levels but who do not realize they are essentially suffocating).

Trying to get a better understanding of the virus would help. But right now, many scientists are stumped and learning. We're in the middle of it. I hope the remdesivir and the other drug Vetalia mentioned (or was it Salan? I can't recall) pan out. Realistically speaking, 18 months for a vaccine is fast and may be a silly timeframe we won't meet.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You're not even alive.

I really value human contact, though.

You're the reason I've been getting those reCapcha tests just to use NS.

Viruses out!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Our best bet is finding treatment. I don't bank on a vaccine in the near future, but if we develop treatment for the disease, we may (may) stand a better chance.

I agree. If we could save (almost all) of the people so sick they have to go to hospital, we could get to herd immunity and hardly even need a vaccine.

Ideally the treatment would be so effective it doesn't even need hospital. Get it from a GP.

I'm hoping for something equivalent to the flu's Tamiflu.

[Rojava Free State]

I can't believe it. Trump's actions are gonna kill potetially hundreds of thousands of Americans, and we can't do anything but watch in horror as he says "no, this is the limit. I'm pushing it."

Rojava, sweetie, did you really expect anything different from Trump? It's fucked up but I am no longer surprised.

My dad was like "does this political stuff really affect us?" Yes, it does now

[SangMar]

You're not even alive.

I really value human contact, though.

-SARS-

Old buddy, friend, associate - could you get your cousin? You know, the Spaniard? Not Nana. Spanish Flu. To maybe... take Trump for a spin? Like, tell them to be nice - as they didn’t really kill elderly people last time they came through, and I certainly don’t want a warning for inciting a virus to kill someone. Just get them to make him ill for a couple days? So he can hopefully learn what a near-death-experience is like? After that, maybe he’ll actually help America.

Tell them I’ll even open the window for the little bird.

[Neutraligon]

Vaccine will likely take at least another year to year and a half, so yes treatment is the best we can do. From what I understand a lot of the issue with this disease is that it strongly effects the blood vessels (any blood vessels), which is why we are seeing more strokes (and might also be why we are seeing people come in with dangerously low oxygen levels but who do not realize they are essentially suffocating).

Trying to get a better understanding of the virus would help. But right now, many scientists are stumped and learning. We're in the middle of it. I hope the remdesivir and the other drug Vetalia mentioned (or was it Salan? I can't recall) pan out. Realistically speaking, 18 months for a vaccine is fast and may be a silly timeframe we won't meet.

It really is very fast and I am not sure it would need to be that fast. In a year and a half will this still as immediate an issue as it is today?

[SangMar]

And no street parties.

You remind me of angry man shouting at cloud with that party peeve.

“STOP HAVING FUN MILDRED! BACK INSIDE!”

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Rojava, sweetie, did you really expect anything different from Trump? It's fucked up but I am no longer surprised.

My dad was like "does this political stuff really affect us?" Yes, it does now

It affects us all but unless you have a competent state government, (do you?), all I can advise is for you and your loved ones to stay well informed and follow the CDC's guidelines.

[Diahon]

I can't believe it. Trump's actions are gonna kill potetially hundreds of thousands of Americans, and we can't do anything but watch in horror as he says "no, this is the limit. I'm pushing it."

Turn off the news bud

Will they make bad things not happen, or the bad people go away, or the everyone else live and be safe, if he just turns it off?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Trying to get a better understanding of the virus would help. But right now, many scientists are stumped and learning. We're in the middle of it. I hope the remdesivir and the other drug Vetalia mentioned (or was it Salan? I can't recall) pan out. Realistically speaking, 18 months for a vaccine is fast and may be a silly timeframe we won't meet.

It really is very fast and I am not sure it would need to be that fast. In a year and a half will this still as immediate an issue as it is today?

I often think, and don't quote me as I really am not an authority and I can be mistaken but, I often think that by the time we do get a vaccine, we'll be well underway to herd immunity. However, even if that's the case, we should still develop a vaccine because there's talk that it could become endemic.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You remind me of angry man shouting at cloud with that party peeve.

“STOP HAVING FUN MILDRED! BACK INSIDE!”

''MILLICENT, GREGORY, NO FUN RIGHT NOW!"

[Neutraligon]

It really is very fast and I am not sure it would need to be that fast. In a year and a half will this still as immediate an issue as it is today?

I often think, and don't quote me as I really am not an authority and I can be mistaken but, I often think that by the time we do get a vaccine, we'll be well underway to herd immunity. However, even if that's the case, we should still develop a vaccine because there's talk that it could become endemic.

Yes we should get the vaccine, for that reason, I am just not sure it needs to be rushed. The treatment on the otherhand does need to be rushed.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I often think, and don't quote me as I really am not an authority and I can be mistaken but, I often think that by the time we do get a vaccine, we'll be well underway to herd immunity. However, even if that's the case, we should still develop a vaccine because there's talk that it could become endemic.

Yes we should get the vaccine, for that reason, I am just not sure it needs to be rushed. The treatment on the otherhand does need to be rushed.

I agree with you that developing treatment as quickly as possible is far more pressing than the development of a vaccine.

[Bombadil]

My dad was like "does this political stuff really affect us?" Yes, it does now

It affects us all but unless you have a competent state government, (do you?), all I can advise is for you and your loved ones to stay well informed and follow the CDC's guidelines.

Spare a thought for my poor friend in Kentucky. Not only has he caught employees selling meth in the forecourt when we asked if he was working from home he was like 'I can't, I have to go in or those fuckers will steal everything from the shop'.

I mean.. the opioid crisis alone, why America, there is something seriously wrong with middle America given someone like Trump was elected in the first place.. and the consequences are very much being played out and still there's confederate flag waving bald moustachioed white men acting like complete dicks.

I kind of always believe in America's ability to reinvent itself but I fear large parts of America are just unsalvageable.

People need to look out for themselves.

[Neutraligon]

Yes we should get the vaccine, for that reason, I am just not sure it needs to be rushed. The treatment on the otherhand does need to be rushed.

I agree with you that developing treatment as quickly as possible is far more pressing than the development of a vaccine.

Still, the mechanisms of this are apparently fascinating and apparently very different from other diseases.