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Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

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Have you or anyone in your vincinity been affected by COVID-19?

I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with COVID-19
288
44%
I know someone was diagnosed with COVID-19
152
23%
Someone very close to me was diagnosed with COVID-19
39
6%
I know someone who was hospitalized with COVID-19
59
9%
Someone very close to me was hospitalized with COVID-19
27
4%
I was diagnosed with COVID-19
22
3%
I was hospitalized with COVID-19
8
1%
I don't know/unsure/other
55
8%
 
Total votes : 650

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:33 pm

Mexar wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
If immunity from an infection is not permanent, immunity from a vaccine would probably not be permanent either. You'd have to get revaccinated periodically.


More $$$$ for big pharma!


Please my guy, not this now.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 03, 2020 5:33 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
If immunity from an infection is not permanent, immunity from a vaccine would probably not be permanent either. You'd have to get revaccinated periodically.


Every few months seems kinda pointless though. At that point the vaccine is desperation and not a real solution.

At that point there is no solution.

Well the same problem exists with the flu, that's why you have to get a vaccine every year.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:33 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Every few months seems kinda pointless though. At that point the vaccine is desperation and not a real solution.

At that point there is no solution.

Well the same problem exists with the flu, that's why you have to get a vaccine every year.


But that's every year. Every three months is alot more frequent.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 03, 2020 5:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
If the unconfirmed reports of people not being immune for long after catching it turn out to be true, herd immunity without a vaccine would be next to impossible, I think.

If people do remain immune after catching it, I still don't think we'd have herd immunity without a vaccine, but at least it wouldn't be quite so bad. Herd immunity without a vaccine would require like... 90%-ish (I think) of a population to catch and survive the disease, which would likely still add many more thousands to the death toll even if all were given full medical support.


I heard it was much less than that more like 60 or 70 percent.

Therm told me that company that is behind the vaccine he was supposed to part of the first phase trial for is planning to have widespread disruption by the election

Distribution, not disruption. Not being a grammar Nazi, I was just very confused and had to figure what you meant.
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and the greatest is love."
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 03, 2020 5:35 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Well the same problem exists with the flu, that's why you have to get a vaccine every year.


But that's every year. Every three months is alot more frequent.


We still don’t know how long the immunity lasts. If this becomes endemic, however, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have to get booster shots every 6 months to a year. We do it with the flu. *shrug*
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 5:35 pm

-SARS- wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Can we may an effective vaccine if immunity only lasts four months?


If immunity from an infection is not permanent, immunity from a vaccine would probably not be permanent either. You'd have to get revaccinated periodically.


The question is how Long.

Chicken pox immunity is generally for a lifetime. The cold Causing Variety of Corona virus is 2-4 months. SARS ( SARS Covid-1) is 2 years the question is what is the immunity time frame of this Corona virus ?

2-4 months and a vaccine is not worth it. We would have to wait for antivirals to work. 2 years could work though it would likely require decades of vaccination and re-vaccinations to get a global herd immunity and eradicate this.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 03, 2020 5:35 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Well the same problem exists with the flu, that's why you have to get a vaccine every year.


But that's every year. Every three months is alot more frequent.

That's true. Well, the thing is that once we have A vaccine, we can improve that vaccine as well. We can build on a canvas once we've made the canvas.
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So apparently I am an ENFP!

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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 5:36 pm

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I heard it was much less than that more like 60 or 70 percent.

Therm told me that company that is behind the vaccine he was supposed to part of the first phase trial for is planning to have widespread disruption by the election

Distribution, not disruption. Not being a grammar Nazi, I was just very confused and had to figure what you meant.

Disruption is right it is an non-attenuated live virus.


Just realized antivax people might not catch the joke. No not serious.
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 5:36 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
If immunity from an infection is not permanent, immunity from a vaccine would probably not be permanent either. You'd have to get revaccinated periodically.


Every few months seems kinda pointless though. At that point the vaccine is desperation and not a real solution.

At that point there is no solution.


If you deploy it aggressively enough, you could eliminate it in certain areas, even if immunity is only for a couple of months. It won't be eliminated forever, but it could be used to prevent hotspots from worsening.

Or, you use it to protect the vulnerable. Require all who come into contact with vulnerable populations be vaccinated every couple of months.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:37 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Every few months seems kinda pointless though. At that point the vaccine is desperation and not a real solution.

At that point there is no solution.


If you deploy it aggressively enough, you could eliminate it in certain areas, even if immunity is only for a couple of months. It won't be eliminated forever, but it could be used to prevent hotspots from worsening.

Or, you use it to protect the vulnerable. Require all who come into contact with vulnerable populations be vaccinated every couple of months.


That second idea is actually very good.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 5:41 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
If you deploy it aggressively enough, you could eliminate it in certain areas, even if immunity is only for a couple of months. It won't be eliminated forever, but it could be used to prevent hotspots from worsening.

Or, you use it to protect the vulnerable. Require all who come into contact with vulnerable populations be vaccinated every couple of months.


That second idea is actually very good.


Who doesn't have parents or grand parents though ? I think we could protect medical staff and the those elderly in care homes but not much further.
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 5:41 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nakena wrote:Next poll is going to be this, but the wording and phrasing might need some big improvement:



I just realized your flag is of Kim Yo-Jong. :lol2:

Many states are, btw, maintaining good curves: https://rt.live/


I imagine the reaction of the cat on your flag upon realizing it.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 5:42 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
That second idea is actually very good.


Who doesn't have parents or grand parents though ? I think we could protect medical staff and the those elderly in care homes but not much further.


Care homes would be the main focus, because social distancing is very difficult there.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 03, 2020 5:43 pm

Hopefully even if the vaccinations only last four months or so for immunity a massive, free and mandatory (except for those who are unable to, obviously) roll-out of vaccinations might be able to eradicate the virus in a way similar to smallpox.

That might be asking a bit much though.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 5:43 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nakena wrote:Next poll is going to be this, but the wording and phrasing might need some big improvement:



I just realized your flag is of Kim Yo-Jong. :lol2:

Many states are, btw, maintaining good curves: https://rt.live/



I suspect Georgia is about to screw up its curve.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/crowds-ga ... wn-lifted/
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 03, 2020 5:44 pm

Nakena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I just realized your flag is of Kim Yo-Jong. :lol2:

Many states are, btw, maintaining good curves: https://rt.live/


I imagine the reaction of the cat on your flag upon realizing it.


Nah. Mostly this.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 03, 2020 5:45 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I just realized your flag is of Kim Yo-Jong. :lol2:

Many states are, btw, maintaining good curves: https://rt.live/



I suspect Georgia is about to screw up its curve.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/crowds-ga ... wn-lifted/


The states of GA and FL, acting like idiots.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 5:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:

I suspect Georgia is about to screw up its curve.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/crowds-ga ... wn-lifted/


The states of GA and FL, acting like idiots.


Having lived in Georgia for just under a year this is not unusual for GA.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 03, 2020 5:48 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nakena wrote:Next poll is going to be this, but the wording and phrasing might need some big improvement:



I just realized your flag is of Kim Yo-Jong. :lol2:

Many states are, btw, maintaining good curves: https://rt.live/

I don't entirely understand how this chart works, but it looks like Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Arkansas are all doing awesome. Kansas is...not?
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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 03, 2020 5:48 pm

It's unfortunate that the lifting of protective measures is likely to make those places in a rush to 'get back to work as a nation' those who will have the longest lasting and most economically damaging effects. Not to mention the massive body count, although a disturbing number of people don't seem to even consider that in the calculations.

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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 03, 2020 5:49 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I just realized your flag is of Kim Yo-Jong. :lol2:

Many states are, btw, maintaining good curves: https://rt.live/



I suspect Georgia is about to screw up its curve.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/crowds-ga ... wn-lifted/

That kind of crowd for JORDANS? At JIMMY JAZZ?

No sense. None. And when they're done paying for those expensive shoes, no cents either.
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. Not that I need the coffee, but you know... :3

So apparently I am an ENFP!

Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 03, 2020 5:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I just realized your flag is of Kim Yo-Jong. :lol2:

Many states are, btw, maintaining good curves: https://rt.live/

I don't entirely understand how this chart works, but it looks like Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Arkansas are all doing awesome. Kansas is...not?


In maintaining Rt, how many are getting sick versus how many are getting well? Yes. All states in green are maintaining good curves here.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 03, 2020 5:50 pm

Albrenia wrote:It's unfortunate that the lifting of protective measures is likely to make those places in a rush to 'get back to work as a nation' those who will have the longest lasting and most economically damaging effects. Not to mention the massive body count, although a disturbing number of people don't seem to even consider that in the calculations.

People rushing in droves to the stores for Jordans proves to me we just need more restrictions for people to actually remain safe. Some people are too stupid with their freedoms and need them restricted.
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. Not that I need the coffee, but you know... :3

So apparently I am an ENFP!

Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson

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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 03, 2020 5:51 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I don't entirely understand how this chart works, but it looks like Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Arkansas are all doing awesome. Kansas is...not?


In maintaining Rt, how many are getting sick versus how many are getting well? Yes. All states in green are maintaining good curves here.

Some parishes have seen rises in cases, in Louisiana, but it seems our latest spike of 700 cases in one day was due to positive cases being released from a backlog of several weeks. I imagine state-testing is to blame.
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. Not that I need the coffee, but you know... :3

So apparently I am an ENFP!

Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 03, 2020 5:51 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Albrenia wrote:It's unfortunate that the lifting of protective measures is likely to make those places in a rush to 'get back to work as a nation' those who will have the longest lasting and most economically damaging effects. Not to mention the massive body count, although a disturbing number of people don't seem to even consider that in the calculations.

People rushing in droves to the stores for Jordans proves to me we just need more restrictions for people to actually remain safe. Some people are too stupid with their freedoms and need them restricted.


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