Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[San Lumen]

It would take decades and would be worse than just letting it run its course.

No it would not. If we let it run its course, millions of consumers will be permanently pulled out of the economy. Not at a greatly reduced consumptive capacity (even homeless, jobless, people will contribute at least a few dollars a year to the economy), a total loss of contribution. Not for days, months, or years, forever. This is on top of those who will lose their jobs, not in place of. That happens, those with sense will self-isolate and lead to a de-facto lockdown as well.

And it took decades to recover from Spanish Flu right? The 1920s were such an awful time

[Greater Miami Shores]

A restaurant cannot make money with limited capacity

The delivery industry proves that they can. Just replacing in person custom with remote custom. Restaurants are probably going to have it the easiest of the service industries tbh.

Most Persons like to eat out, the personal service, not having to cook, not having to do the dishes, going out with the family, Like a few weeks ago my family and I ate at an olive garden restaurant, over a month or so now, so far we all feel ok.'

All customers have to wear a mask to enter and walk around the restaurant. All workers have to wear a mask. Every other table in between is closed to provide social distancing. Naturally, we are allowed to not wear the masks at the table to eat.

[Valrifell]

And the fact is, unless the workforce is mostly 65+ year olds with serious preexisting conditions this isn't doing a single bit of damage to the workforce. This is why reopening is happening and is not being reversed even with an increase in cases, the cost is simply not worth the benefit.

This is only true if you think government actors are entirely rational and methodical with their actions and not really really silly.

Reopening is happening because it's politically expedient to have people pretend that everything is fine and a return to normalcy is a) possible and b) imminent, regardless of how many lives would be lost in the process. I assure you the economic cost wasn't factored in this assessment.

[Valrifell]

No it would not. If we let it run its course, millions of consumers will be permanently pulled out of the economy. Not at a greatly reduced consumptive capacity (even homeless, jobless, people will contribute at least a few dollars a year to the economy), a total loss of contribution. Not for days, months, or years, forever. This is on top of those who will lose their jobs, not in place of. That happens, those with sense will self-isolate and lead to a de-facto lockdown as well.

And it took decades to recover from Spanish Flu right? The 1920s were such an awful time

Look at all the arts and businesses that survived the lockdowns for the Spanish Flu and went on to thrive in the 20s, good point.

[Greater Miami Shores]

And the fact is, unless the workforce is mostly 65+ year olds with serious preexisting conditions this isn't doing a single bit of damage to the workforce. This is why reopening is happening and is not being reversed even with an increase in cases, the cost is simply not worth the benefit.

This is only true if you think government actors are entirely rational and methodical with their actions and not really really silly.

Reopening is happening because it's politically expedient to have people pretend that everything is fine and a return to normalcy is a) possible and b) imminent, regardless of how many lives would be lost in the process. I assure you the economic cost wasn't factored in this assessment.

Reopening safely following the health guidelines is necessary, because people need jobs and money, we cant depend on the government forever.

[Valrifell]

This is only true if you think government actors are entirely rational and methodical with their actions and not really really silly.

Reopening is happening because it's politically expedient to have people pretend that everything is fine and a return to normalcy is a) possible and b) imminent, regardless of how many lives would be lost in the process. I assure you the economic cost wasn't factored in this assessment.

Reopening safely following the health guidelines is necessary, because people need jobs and money, we cant depend on the government forever.

Lockdowns wouldn't be forever, when there's actually a substantial drop in cases we'll talk (like every other sane country has been doing). Reopening in the middle of a huge wave of cases is fucking suicidal and moronic.

[Vetalia]

This is only true if you think government actors are entirely rational and methodical with their actions and not really really silly.

Reopening is happening because it's politically expedient to have people pretend that everything is fine and a return to normalcy is a) possible and b) imminent, regardless of how many lives would be lost in the process. I assure you the economic cost wasn't factored in this assessment.

It was the entire point...the cost was not worth it any longer and reopening became necessary.

It sounds harsh but if nothing at all was ever done about this virus even from the beginning it would have literally no impact on the economy and no real impact on demographics on a long-term basis, in fact it would have had no real impact on anything after the past year or so.

[Greater Miami Shores]

This is only true if you think government actors are entirely rational and methodical with their actions and not really really silly.

Reopening is happening because it's politically expedient to have people pretend that everything is fine and a return to normalcy is a) possible and b) imminent, regardless of how many lives would be lost in the process. I assure you the economic cost wasn't factored in this assessment.

It was the entire point...the cost was not worth it any longer and reopening became necessary.

It sounds harsh but if nothing at all was ever done about this virus even from the beginning it would have literally no impact on the economy and no real impact on demographics on a long-term basis, in fact it would have had no real impact on anything after the past year or so.

Damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is why we need to open up the economy safely following the health guidelines, most businesses support and are doing, no matter what the laws say.

[Vetalia]

Damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is why we need to open up the economy safely following the health guidelines, most businesses support and are doing, no matter what the laws say.

I agree 100%, open things up, mandate masks at businesses and implement social distancing requirements tailored to the specific circumstances of the business in question.

A simple mask mandate at big box stores would do a lot more than anything else we can think of.

[Gormwood]

Damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is why we need to open up the economy safely following the health guidelines, most businesses support and are doing, no matter what the laws say.

I agree 100%, open things up, mandate masks at businesses and implement social distancing requirements tailored to the specific circumstances of the business in question.

A simple mask mandate at big box stores would do a lot more than anything else we can think of.

And then impose severe punishment for starting shit over refusing to wear a mask. Thanks Donald.

[Neutraligon]

Damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is why we need to open up the economy safely following the health guidelines, most businesses support and are doing, no matter what the laws say.

I agree 100%, open things up, mandate masks at businesses and implement social distancing requirements tailored to the specific circumstances of the business in question.

A simple mask mandate at big box stores would do a lot more than anything else we can think of.

With it becoming warmer out, restaurants can also use their outdoor area for seating people.

[Vetalia]

With it becoming warmer out, restaurants can also use their outdoor area for seating people.

And help stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2...hot, humid weather only stops the virus if you're out in it, not sitting inside in air-conditioning.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I agree 100%, open things up, mandate masks at businesses and implement social distancing requirements tailored to the specific circumstances of the business in question.

A simple mask mandate at big box stores would do a lot more than anything else we can think of.

And then impose severe punishment for starting shit over refusing to wear a mask. Thanks Donald.

Trump recently made a statement he supports voluntary wearing of masks, as a choice of freedom. But perhaps you don't know he made this statement. I disagree with Trump on this one.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I agree 100%, open things up, mandate masks at businesses and implement social distancing requirements tailored to the specific circumstances of the business in question.

A simple mask mandate at big box stores would do a lot more than anything else we can think of.

With it becoming warmer out, restaurants can also use their outdoor area for seating people.

Today I was walking by a private restaurant in Hialeah Florida, Part of Miami Dade County, where I live and there were persons (Cubans) eating on the out door tables.

[Post War America]

No it would not. If we let it run its course, millions of consumers will be permanently pulled out of the economy. Not at a greatly reduced consumptive capacity (even homeless, jobless, people will contribute at least a few dollars a year to the economy), a total loss of contribution. Not for days, months, or years, forever. This is on top of those who will lose their jobs, not in place of. That happens, those with sense will self-isolate and lead to a de-facto lockdown as well.

And it took decades to recover from Spanish Flu right? The 1920s were such an awful time

Ignoring for now, that historical examples don't necessarily work because they do not operate with nearly the same speed of travel or international interconnections, or a delicate logistical network relying on near perfect reliability, all of which they didn't have in the 1920s. Yes they were a pretty god awful time for a lot of working class people.

Sure the San Lumens of the 20s were doing fine, but the agricultural sector was in the process of imploding, and indeed outside of major, largely coastal, manufacturing cities, the groundwork for the Great Depression was already being laid throughout the 20s. The idea that everything was doing great until Black Tuesday is a myth.

[Rijkenlandd]

I agree 100%, open things up, mandate masks at businesses and implement social distancing requirements tailored to the specific circumstances of the business in question.

A simple mask mandate at big box stores would do a lot more than anything else we can think of.

And then impose severe punishment for starting shit over refusing to wear a mask. Thanks Donald.

"Orang mane bad"

[Greater Miami Shores]

And then impose severe punishment for starting shit over refusing to wear a mask. Thanks Donald.

"Orang mane bad"

I know they blame Trump for everything. But as I posted to Gorm, and I think he has not seen my post, and has not know President Trump made the statement, he does not support a national law mandating masks as a choice of freedom. Which negates Gorm's statement. You are having a lol attack, lol attacks are healthy, as long as we don't over do them.

[Rijkenlandd]

"Orang mane bad"

I know they blame Trump for everything. But as I posted to Gorm, and I think he has not seen my post, and has not heard President Trump made the statement, he does not support a national law mandating masks as a choice of freedom. Which negates Gorm's statement. You are having a lol attack, lol attacks are healthy, as long as we don't over do them.

Well of course he won't see it. He and his fellow lefties will just assume everything said in opposition to what's being inflicted on America is racist, sexist, homophobic and advocacy to kill immunocompromised granny.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Keeping your goddamn microbial flora to yourselves is now "leftism". What's next? Deliberately sneezing on somebody's face being "rightism"?

[Shazbotdom]

So, apparently according to the White House COVID-19 Task Force, the State of Louisiana is one of the 'Red Zone States' due to the uptick of cases that we've seen over the last couple weeks. Their opinion to the Governor of Louisiana? Enforce more restrictions.

Yeah. Trumps own Task Force wants more restrictions, all while he is screaming for everything to open up fully.


Makes me wonder if he's actually listening to these experts or if he enjoys being divisive.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So, apparently according to the White House COVID-19 Task Force, the State of Louisiana is one of the 'Red Zone States' due to the uptick of cases that we've seen over the last couple weeks. Their opinion to the Governor of Louisiana? Enforce more restrictions.

Yeah. Trumps own Task Force wants more restrictions, all while he is screaming for everything to open up fully.


Makes me wonder if he's actually listening to these experts or if he enjoys being divisive.

Donald's left brain no longer knows what his right brain is doing, ever since that Walter Reed visit I bet.

[The Alma Mater]

Keeping your goddamn microbial flora to yourselves is now "leftism". What's next? Deliberately sneezing on somebody's face being "rightism"?

That had repeatedly happened, yes.

[Shazbotdom]

So, apparently according to the White House COVID-19 Task Force, the State of Louisiana is one of the 'Red Zone States' due to the uptick of cases that we've seen over the last couple weeks. Their opinion to the Governor of Louisiana? Enforce more restrictions.

Yeah. Trumps own Task Force wants more restrictions, all while he is screaming for everything to open up fully.


Makes me wonder if he's actually listening to these experts or if he enjoys being divisive.

Donald's left brain no longer knows what his right brain is doing, ever since that Walter Reed visit I bet.

No clue. But, it is fun to watch this trainwreck.

[Greater Miami Shores]

So, apparently according to the White House COVID-19 Task Force, the State of Louisiana is one of the 'Red Zone States' due to the uptick of cases that we've seen over the last couple weeks. Their opinion to the Governor of Louisiana? Enforce more restrictions.

Yeah. Trumps own Task Force wants more restrictions, all while he is screaming for everything to open up fully.


Makes me wonder if he's actually listening to these experts or if he enjoys being divisive.

Donald's left brain no longer knows what his right brain is doing, ever since that Walter Reed visit I bet.

Joke, this is only a joke Since you put it this way, and others are supporting it seriously, I would say Donald Trump does not have a left brain, only a right brain as he should,

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Donald's left brain no longer knows what his right brain is doing, ever since that Walter Reed visit I bet.

Joke, this is only a joke :) Since you put it this way, I would say Donald Trump does not have a left brain, only a right brain as he should, :)

That would mean that Donald Trump is mentally deficient since the left half is actually pretty important.