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Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

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Have you or anyone in your vincinity been affected by COVID-19?

I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with COVID-19
300
44%
I know someone was diagnosed with COVID-19
159
23%
Someone very close to me was diagnosed with COVID-19
42
6%
I know someone who was hospitalized with COVID-19
62
9%
Someone very close to me was hospitalized with COVID-19
30
4%
I was diagnosed with COVID-19
23
3%
I was hospitalized with COVID-19
9
1%
I don't know/unsure/other
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8%
 
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:58 pm

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Yes. Regardless of whether the vaccine is approved, they'll continue following up those people for data on long-term immunity.

It won’t be ready till October 2022?


Yup. Others are also saying don’t expect life to return to normal pre-covid till 2022.....
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:00 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It won’t be ready till October 2022?


Yup. Others are also saying don’t expect life to return to normal pre-covid till 2022.....

Why would it take that long if they are fast tracking trials?

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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:09 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Your ex wife wrote:Yeah, they need ateast 3 years to fabricate statistics and to hide the autism and vaccine damaged kids


Please, please please please tell me this is some sarcasm that I'm way too tired to detect.


His name suggests it is.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It won’t be ready till October 2022?


Yup. Others are also saying don’t expect life to return to normal pre-covid till 2022.....


I thought the whole idea was the vaccine would be ready by winter of 2021? Fauci himself even mentioned that.
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Postby Post War America » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:14 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yup. Others are also saying don’t expect life to return to normal pre-covid till 2022.....


I thought the whole idea was the vaccine would be ready by winter of 2021? Fauci himself even mentioned that.

Deployment still takes time however, and in developing nations that could be a problem. Even in certain developed North American republics it might be a slow process. I personally was considering not getting vaccinated because at my incredible salary of $10,000 dollars a year, paying for an $1,800 shot doesn't jive with paying rent.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:15 pm

Trump promises a vaccine soon due to operation warp speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-5Z-nNdoE
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Postby Post War America » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:18 pm

Greed and Death wrote:Trump promises a vaccine soon due to operation warp speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-5Z-nNdoE


Operation Warp Speed? Are we pretending we're the Federation, and not simply a failed state with a lot of money?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yup. Others are also saying don’t expect life to return to normal pre-covid till 2022.....


I thought the whole idea was the vaccine would be ready by winter of 2021? Fauci himself even mentioned that.


Even estimates can be mistaken. We shall see. I will wait for a credible source to report the vaccine is good. The trump government can not be trusted with this.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yup. Others are also saying don’t expect life to return to normal pre-covid till 2022.....

Why would it take that long if they are fast tracking trials?

You do realize the getting a vaccine in 3 years is fast tracking right? I think you massively underestimate how long it takes drugs, including vaccines, to normally pass the FDA.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:27 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why would it take that long if they are fast tracking trials?

You do realize the getting a vaccine in 3 years is fast tracking right? I think you massively underestimate how long it takes drugs, including vaccines, to normally pass the FDA.


Oh come on. I want spidey powers!
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:38 pm

Your ex wife wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh come on. I want spidey powers!

No you dont. At least 3 of my kids are vacine damaged and have vacinne induced autism.


Nothing wrong with autism. A gal up might street is on the high end of the spectrum. The little bitch (8 years old) draws and paints way better then I can.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:45 pm

Your ex wife wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Nothing wrong with autism. A gal up might street is on the high end of the spectrum. The little bitch (8 years old) draws and paints way better then I can.

Your clearly not a parent of a child with autism. Otherwise you would understand.


:shock: You don’t understand sarcasm.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:45 pm

Post War America wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Trump promises a vaccine soon due to operation warp speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-5Z-nNdoE


Operation Warp Speed? Are we pretending we're the Federation, and not simply a failed state with a lot of money?


He put the space force in charge of the vaccine.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Your ex wife wrote:Your clearly not a parent of a child with autism. Otherwise you would understand.


:shock: You don’t understand sarcasm.

Black Forrest they have already been reported, please stop allowing them to threadjack
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:58 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
:shock: You don’t understand sarcasm.

Black Forrest they have already been reported, please stop allowing them to threadjack


No worries.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:59 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why would it take that long if they are fast tracking trials?

You do realize the getting a vaccine in 3 years is fast tracking right? I think you massively underestimate how long it takes drugs, including vaccines, to normally pass the FDA.

we can't have on and off shutdown for three years. The national and global economy would collapse, If the drug I posted about is a viable treatment it probable we wouldnt have to wait then to resume "normal"
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:You do realize the getting a vaccine in 3 years is fast tracking right? I think you massively underestimate how long it takes drugs, including vaccines, to normally pass the FDA.

we can't have on and off shutdown for three years. The national and global economy would collapse, If the drug I posted about is a viable treatment it probable we wouldnt have to wait then to resume "normal"

Sorry which drug, I have only semi been paying attention to this thread. Also almost all drugs take upwards on average 12 years to market from the lab.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:26 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:we can't have on and off shutdown for three years. The national and global economy would collapse, If the drug I posted about is a viable treatment it probable we wouldnt have to wait then to resume "normal"

Sorry which drug, I have only semi been paying attention to this thread. Also almost all drugs take upwards on average 12 years to market from the lab.

This one and it’s already fda approved : https://m.jpost.com/health-science/hebr ... ays-635028
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Sorry which drug, I have only semi been paying attention to this thread. Also almost all drugs take upwards on average 12 years to market from the lab.

This one and it’s already fda approved : https://m.jpost.com/health-science/hebr ... ays-635028

It is FDA approved for something else. It needs new approval to be used for other uses. Just because a drug is safe in one context does not mean it is safe in another. Further just because it is used with specific dosages in one context does not mean that it can be used in the same dosages elsewhere. More then that, it is not yet in animal studies, let alone human studies.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:22 pm

Your ex wife wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Nothing wrong with autism. A gal up might street is on the high end of the spectrum. The little bitch (8 years old) draws and paints way better then I can.

Your clearly not a parent of a child with autism. Otherwise you would understand.


My sister has autism and I would rather she have that than be dead. I can't imagine how messed up your priorities must be that you think the risk of getting autism ain't worth it, so let's sacrifice the children.

Btw vaccines don't cause autism. You would be more factual claiming George Bush did 9/11 than you are blaming vaccines for autism.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:23 pm

Post War America wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Trump promises a vaccine soon due to operation warp speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-5Z-nNdoE


Operation Warp Speed? Are we pretending we're the Federation, and not simply a failed state with a lot of money?


These are the kind of things that make me worry we won't have this vaccine anytime soon. If Trump says he's working on it, expect it to go all wrong.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:24 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Operation Warp Speed? Are we pretending we're the Federation, and not simply a failed state with a lot of money?


These are the kind of things that make me worry we won't have this vaccine anytime soon. If Trump says he's working on it, expect it to go all wrong.


I am more worried he just got the Trekkie vote.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:34 pm

Your ex wife wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Nothing wrong with autism. A gal up might street is on the high end of the spectrum. The little bitch (8 years old) draws and paints way better then I can.

Your clearly not a parent of a child with autism. Otherwise you would understand.

As someone who´s brother is on the spectrum, fuck right off with this nonsense. Not only is the very notion of vaccines causing autism a claim that has already been thoroughly debunked, the idea that you should put your child at risk of death to avoid autism is just gross.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Yes. Regardless of whether the vaccine is approved, they'll continue following up those people for data on long-term immunity.

It won’t be ready till October 2022?

That’s not what he’s saying. The vaccine could be approved for use next year but they are required to continue to follow up with the test subjects
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:11 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This one and it’s already fda approved : https://m.jpost.com/health-science/hebr ... ays-635028

It is FDA approved for something else. It needs new approval to be used for other uses. Just because a drug is safe in one context does not mean it is safe in another. Further just because it is used with specific dosages in one context does not mean that it can be used in the same dosages elsewhere. More then that, it is not yet in animal studies, let alone human studies.

The article said trials will be fast tracked.

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