Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Rojava Free State]

Can they do that? Use one vaccine for both the flu and covid?

MMR is a thing. So maybe.

Hopefully.

[Farnhamia]

MMR is a thing. So maybe.

Hopefully.

Andrew Wakefield is shifting restlessly in his sleep.

[Estanglia]

I don't know how much having to get an annual COVID injection will change things, particularly if it's included in/with a flu jab (I think some flus that have caused past epidemics/pandemics are covered by a flu jab). I'd guess there'd be increased pressure for universal healthcare, and increased rate of deaths in countries with neither universal healthcare nor money to provide the jab.

Can they do that? Use one vaccine for both the flu and covid?

Potentially. I don't have enough knowledge of vaccines to say if it's possible or not. Could probably still give both the COVID injection and the flu jab at the same time, just as separate jabs.

[San Lumen]

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/he ... ays-635028

A drug called Fenofibrate which is FDA approved could be the treatment we’ve be looking for. It worked fantastic in animals and clinical trails will be fast tracked in Israel and the US. The drug appears to stop the virus from replicating or so limit it that it would regulate it to nothing more than a common cold

[Greed and Death]

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/hebrew-u-scientist-drug-could-eradicate-covid-19-from-lungs-in-days-635028

A drug called Fenofibrate which is FDA approved could be the treatment we’ve be looking for. It worked fantastic in animals and clinical trails will be fast tracked in Israel and the US. The drug appears to stop the virus from replicating or so limit it that it would regulate it to nothing more than a common cold

There is good news. Not just for the those getting ill but for we may advance in our fight against viruses generically as well. Imagine if we reach a point where we have drugs for viruses the way we have drugs against bacteria.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/hebrew-u-scientist-drug-could-eradicate-covid-19-from-lungs-in-days-635028

A drug called Fenofibrate which is FDA approved could be the treatment we’ve be looking for. It worked fantastic in animals and clinical trails will be fast tracked in Israel and the US. The drug appears to stop the virus from replicating or so limit it that it would regulate it to nothing more than a common cold

I will welcome the day we render covid harmless with open arms.

[Kannap]

Yeah, if it was that simple to improve people's lives massively, the government would ignore the monied interests and their lobbyists.

You and others act like everything could be fixed tomorrow if we wanted too. Lobbying and money in politics is a problem but everything isn’t as simple as people make it out to be.

I will also remind you that every cause you likely support have lobbyists

Everything's too hard and will take too long, so we should just do nothing instead.

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

The one thing I want to be more than an average citizen with no power to do anything is a politician with no power to do anything. At least as the latter I'd have money, I suppose.

[Kannap]

None of those involved solving all of our problems, in fact most of those did literally nothing

Reconstruction only happened because we slaughtered millions of Americans

Honestly the idea that civil rights or lgbt rights or anything like that came about because of voting is insane

Did literally nothing? Are you kidding me?

Well, not did literally nothing. It's worse than that, usually those elected passed laws that were more harmful for those in the civil rights movement and LGBT rights movement.

[Kannap]

You have 2 arms. Get both at the same time.

Doesn't sound fun.

If they do it quick enough, you won't even notice

[Rojava Free State]

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

That requires money most of us don't have.

[Salandriagado]

A new study shows virus immunity in recovered patients may be gone in months.

To break it down, the study looked at healthcare workers and patients from Guy's and St. Thomas’ National Health Service Foundation Trust in London. They found that the antibody count that attacks and destroys the virus quickly declines after peaking several weeks after someone from that facility exhibited symptoms. 60% of patients had a "potent" antibody response at the peak of their fight with COVID-19. However, after two months, that drops significantly to just 16.7% and in some cases, the antibody response to the virus was undetectable.

More will likely come out, but this is not a good sign. That said, the study could help develop a more effective vaccine to ensure that antibodies remain longer in the body though developing a vaccine that you'll need once may seem rather more difficult: it may become like the flu shot. Suffice to say, wear a mask, and don't be careless: we shouldn't let our guard down just yet.

For the third time in this thread: loss of antibodies is not loss of immunity. Also, the duration of immune responses to a vaccine are essentially entirely unrelated.

[Punished UMN]

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

It amazes me that after like 5 years of peddling this argument that you haven't once realized it's not an option for most people or that it may not work anyway.

[Greed and Death]

A new study shows virus immunity in recovered patients may be gone in months.

To break it down, the study looked at healthcare workers and patients from Guy's and St. Thomas’ National Health Service Foundation Trust in London. They found that the antibody count that attacks and destroys the virus quickly declines after peaking several weeks after someone from that facility exhibited symptoms. 60% of patients had a "potent" antibody response at the peak of their fight with COVID-19. However, after two months, that drops significantly to just 16.7% and in some cases, the antibody response to the virus was undetectable.

More will likely come out, but this is not a good sign. That said, the study could help develop a more effective vaccine to ensure that antibodies remain longer in the body though developing a vaccine that you'll need once may seem rather more difficult: it may become like the flu shot. Suffice to say, wear a mask, and don't be careless: we shouldn't let our guard down just yet.

For the third time in this thread: loss of antibodies is not loss of immunity. Also, the duration of immune responses to a vaccine are essentially entirely unrelated.

But causing people to panic.

[Rojava Free State]

A new study shows virus immunity in recovered patients may be gone in months.

To break it down, the study looked at healthcare workers and patients from Guy's and St. Thomas’ National Health Service Foundation Trust in London. They found that the antibody count that attacks and destroys the virus quickly declines after peaking several weeks after someone from that facility exhibited symptoms. 60% of patients had a "potent" antibody response at the peak of their fight with COVID-19. However, after two months, that drops significantly to just 16.7% and in some cases, the antibody response to the virus was undetectable.

More will likely come out, but this is not a good sign. That said, the study could help develop a more effective vaccine to ensure that antibodies remain longer in the body though developing a vaccine that you'll need once may seem rather more difficult: it may become like the flu shot. Suffice to say, wear a mask, and don't be careless: we shouldn't let our guard down just yet.

For the third time in this thread: loss of antibodies is not loss of immunity. Also, the duration of immune responses to a vaccine are essentially entirely unrelated.

You're not allowed to make sense. Your choice is to either join the "it's just a flu" party and downplay the severity of our situation, dooming thousands more, or you gotta become part of the doomsday cult and believe that this virus is 100% different from all others, immunity only lasts 5 days and it will bring about the end of everything enjoyable in life, as some people have suggested.

[Salandriagado]

Why? Just pop into your local pharmacy and get the jab. Takes minutes.

We getting two shots a year instead of one.

That's not "changing the world" (also, they'd very likely get done together, possibly even in the same shot).

[Rojava Free State]

We getting two shots a year instead of one.

That's not "changing the world" (also, they'd very likely get done together, possibly even in the same shot).

It is for me. I hate shots lol.

[Salandriagado]

I don't know how much having to get an annual COVID injection will change things, particularly if it's included in/with a flu jab (I think some flus that have caused past epidemics/pandemics are covered by a flu jab). I'd guess there'd be increased pressure for universal healthcare, and increased rate of deaths in countries with neither universal healthcare nor money to provide the jab.

Can they do that? Use one vaccine for both the flu and covid?

Obviously we don't know what the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine will look like yet, but if it's of a form that messes up (or gets messed up by) the flu vaccine, and has a good side effect profile that doesn't cause problems when they coincide with the side effects of the flu vaccines, there's no reason you couldn't issue them together. It's more work, but we're not exactly short of people working on vaccines right now. Once we get a good vaccine option out, the other developers aren't likely to give up, but they are likely to look for unique selling points, and "get the flu vaccine at the same time" is a pretty good one to aim for.

EDIT: Turns out it's complicated but not impossible, as is simultaneous vaccines in different parts of the body.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Any good recent news on any effective treatments?

They're looking at- Llamas!?

There's something within the animal's immune system that could help treat COVID-19 it appears though testing needs to be done and it could take months.

Llamas you say? Hopefully this brings positive results!

[Greed and Death]

For the third time in this thread: loss of antibodies is not loss of immunity. Also, the duration of immune responses to a vaccine are essentially entirely unrelated.

You're not allowed to make sense. Your choice is to either join the "it's just a flu" party and downplay the severity of our situation, dooming thousands more, or you gotta become part of the doomsday cult and believe that this virus is 100% different from all others, immunity only lasts 5 days and it will bring about the end of everything enjoyable in life, as some people have suggested.

Well you should have told my libertarian buddies about this earlier.

We went and burned the labs researching vaccines to prevent further waste of tax payer dollars. So it looks like all data has been and we have to start over. On the plus side I got a new macaque monkey with wires coming out of its head that can communicate via a text to void app.

[Valrifell]

We getting two shots a year instead of one.

You have 2 arms. Get both at the same time.

But needles oofie ouchie :(

[Salandriagado]

In today's good science news, Moderna's vaccine preliminary report has cleared peer review with no noteworthy changes. As the reports were positive the first time around (small doses generated good antibody and T-cell responses without significant side effects), it's now confirmed good news.

For those of you in the US (18+, not pregnant/breastfeeding, not ill, not previously tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 or participated in a previous coronavirus study, no virus allergies, able to have an injection, not immunodeficient/suppressed, no recent blood received), they're also starting recruiting for Phase III trials imminently.

[Greed and Death]

In today's good science news, Moderna's vaccine preliminary report has cleared peer review with no noteworthy changes. As the reports were positive the first time around (small doses generated good antibody and T-cell responses without significant side effects), it's now confirmed good news.

For those of you in the US (18+, not pregnant/breastfeeding, not ill, not previously tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 or participated in a previous coronavirus study, no virus allergies, able to have an injection, not immunodeficient/suppressed, no recent blood received), they're also starting recruiting for Phase III trials imminently.

Estimated completion October 2022.

[Salandriagado]

In today's good science news, Moderna's vaccine preliminary report has cleared peer review with no noteworthy changes. As the reports were positive the first time around (small doses generated good antibody and T-cell responses without significant side effects), it's now confirmed good news.

For those of you in the US (18+, not pregnant/breastfeeding, not ill, not previously tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 or participated in a previous coronavirus study, no virus allergies, able to have an injection, not immunodeficient/suppressed, no recent blood received), they're also starting recruiting for Phase III trials imminently.

Estimated completion October 2022.

Yes. Regardless of whether the vaccine is approved, they'll continue following up those people for data on long-term immunity.

[Estanglia]

Estimated completion October 2022.

Yeah, they need ateast 3 years to fabricate statistics and to hide the autism and vaccine damaged kids

Please, please please please tell me this is some sarcasm that I'm way too tired to detect.

[San Lumen]

Estimated completion October 2022.

Yes. Regardless of whether the vaccine is approved, they'll continue following up those people for data on long-term immunity.

It won’t be ready till October 2022?