Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Rojava Free State]

Ok and are you going to regulate home prices too in every city since many wouldnt be able to afford the prices.

Yes, the prices will be set to zero. Decommodify housing, stop treating houses as something that can be bought and sold for profit and instead treat them as a place for people to live. If you want to move to New York, you move into a place that someone else is moving out of. For free. And someone moves into the place you left. For free. The house you live in is yours. No landlord or bank can evict you or impose conditions on you, you can do whatever you want in and with your own home insofar as you are not interfering with other people in their homes. Any house that no one lives in goes to someone who is homeless, so no more homelessness. Houses will be built as and when there is a need for more housing. Lots of people will be very mad because they won't be able to make loads of money off housing any more, but lots of people won't have to pay rent or mortgages or die in the streets any more, so on the whole I think it'd be good.

Let's go get the 3D printer and make more homes.

[Ifreann]

Yes, the prices will be set to zero. Decommodify housing, stop treating houses as something that can be bought and sold for profit and instead treat them as a place for people to live. If you want to move to New York, you move into a place that someone else is moving out of. For free. And someone moves into the place you left. For free. The house you live in is yours. No landlord or bank can evict you or impose conditions on you, you can do whatever you want in and with your own home insofar as you are not interfering with other people in their homes. Any house that no one lives in goes to someone who is homeless, so no more homelessness. Houses will be built as and when there is a need for more housing. Lots of people will be very mad because they won't be able to make loads of money off housing any more, but lots of people won't have to pay rent or mortgages or die in the streets any more, so on the whole I think it'd be good.

Let's go get the 3D printer and make more homes.

That would be fun, but there are plenty of empty houses to make use of first.

[Rojava Free State]

They basically wanna strong-arm the poor into paying rent and if they don't, the angry landlord is just like "get the fuck out and stop wasting my resources."

I'm more talking in general.

The "we need to get back to normal" types whose solution to COVID is to pretend it doesn't exist instead of dealing with it, ironically making it harder and longer to get back to normal. The "we're totally gonna help guys!" types who end up fucking up their "help" to the point where it would probably have been better to not help. There's probably some politicians that aren't contradictory and are handling stuff well, but they're overshadowed by the first two groups (and probably more that I can't think of right now).

I'm guessing the dart landed on "destroy all support for and belief in the government's ability to do stuff and care for its people".

They think if they lie enough, people will believe its safe to go out and get the economy roaring again.

They're loony.

[Punished UMN]

Dad is getting his test today, one of his colleagues was hospitalized with the virus.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Dad is getting his test today, one of his colleagues was hospitalized with the virus.

Hope your father is okay

[Punished UMN]

Dad is getting his test today, one of his colleagues was hospitalized with the virus.

Hope your father is okay

He'll be fine I'm sure, he's in great health for his age (such good health that when he went in for a physical the doctor remarked that he was "unusually healthy") but he mostly works with people who are around the same age, so that is concerning.

[Cisairse]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/looming-evictions-may-soon-make-28-million-homeless-expert-says.html

28 million people could soon be homeless in the United States as a result of evictions caused by rent freezes and other measures taken

Ban rent.

^this

[San Lumen]

Ban rent.

^this

if it was that simple it would be done

[Punished UMN]

^this

if it was that simple it would be done

It really is that simple, it's not being done because of the economic interests of landlords.

[Cisairse]

^this

if it was that simple it would be done

It actually is that simple. The ruling class, which exists in large part due to landlordism, obviously has more political power than the lower class, which is why landlordism persists.

[San Lumen]

if it was that simple it would be done

It actually is that simple. The ruling class, which exists in large part due to landlordism, obviously has more political power than the lower class, which is why landlordism persists.

We ban rent. Do you regulate home and apartment prices too?

[Punished UMN]

It actually is that simple. The ruling class, which exists in large part due to landlordism, obviously has more political power than the lower class, which is why landlordism persists.

We ban rent. Do you regulate home and apartment prices too?

Not only are all these things economically viable but there are many countries that already do them successfully.

[Kannap]

It actually is that simple. The ruling class, which exists in large part due to landlordism, obviously has more political power than the lower class, which is why landlordism persists.

We ban rent. Do you regulate home and apartment prices too?

This has been answered but you ignored the answer.

[Kannap]

if it was that simple it would be done

It actually is that simple. The ruling class, which exists in large part due to landlordism, obviously has more political power than the lower class, which is why landlordism persists.

Wonder what 28 million newly homeless people rioting in the streets looks like

[San Lumen]

We ban rent. Do you regulate home and apartment prices too?

Not only are all these things economically viable but there are many countries that already do them successfully.

What country mandates how much you can charge for a house or apartment?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Dad is getting his test today, one of his colleagues was hospitalized with the virus.

Hope your dad and his colleague are going to be ok.

[Punished UMN]

Not only are all these things economically viable but there are many countries that already do them successfully.

What country mandates how much you can charge for a house or apartment?

Uh, like most of them. Canada and Germany, for instance.

[San Lumen]

What country mandates how much you can charge for a house or apartment?

Uh, like most of them. Canada and Germany, for instance.

The government literally regulates the price for an apartment? Why is Vancouver, London and Berlin so expensive then?

[Punished UMN]

Uh, like most of them. Canada and Germany, for instance.

The government literally regulates the price for an apartment? Why is Vancouver, London and Berlin so expensive then?

Yes, they literally regulate the price of an apartment.

London is so expensive because they abolished their rent controls in 1980, in Germany and Canada, rent controls are based on relative prices. You could always take the approach of many countries though and just abolish landlords.

[San Lumen]

The government literally regulates the price for an apartment? Why is Vancouver, London and Berlin so expensive then?

Yes, they literally regulate the price of an apartment.

London is so expensive because they abolished their rent controls in 1980, in Germany and Canada, rent controls are based on relative prices. You could always take the approach of many countries though and just abolish landlords.

I know people in London, Berlin and Toronto and the price of apartments there is insane so I have doubts about your claim

[Fennoscandia Union]

I've learnt to never go on another political thread after reviewing this one. There is nowhere for a moderate these days

[Cisairse]

Not only are all these things economically viable but there are many countries that already do them successfully.

What country mandates how much you can charge for a house or apartment?

A massive percentage of America

[Kowani]

Yes, they literally regulate the price of an apartment.

London is so expensive because they abolished their rent controls in 1980, in Germany and Canada, rent controls are based on relative prices. You could always take the approach of many countries though and just abolish landlords.

I know people in London, Berlin and Toronto and the price of apartments there is insane so I have doubts about your claim

…None of that addressed UMN’s claim at all.

[Fartsniffage]

Yes, they literally regulate the price of an apartment.

London is so expensive because they abolished their rent controls in 1980, in Germany and Canada, rent controls are based on relative prices. You could always take the approach of many countries though and just abolish landlords.

I know people in London, Berlin and Toronto and the price of apartments there is insane so I have doubts about your claim

Are you, a New Yorker, really asking whether a government can introduce rent control?

[Ifreann]

^this

if it was that simple it would be done

Yeah, if it was that simple to improve people's lives massively, the government would ignore the monied interests and their lobbyists.