Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Arumdaum]

COVID-19 is basically gone from Korea. No domestic cases for three days in a row now. Was previously in single digits for a while. People here aren't really socially distancing anymore but everyone is still wearing masks.

Korea was never "shut down," but early action (Korea and the US both got their first confirmed cases on the same day) meant that the virus never reached the extent it has in the West.

Worried that it may come back, though. However, I'm feeling pretty confident about airport screenings.

[Albrenia]

COVID-19 is basically gone from Korea. No domestic cases for three days in a row now. Was previously in single digits for a while. People here aren't really socially distancing anymore but everyone is still wearing masks.

Korea was never "shut down," but early action (Korea and the US both got their first confirmed cases on the same day) meant that the virus never reached the extent it has in the West.

Worried that it may come back, though. However, I'm feeling pretty confident about airport screenings.

Acting early and decisively certainly seems to be the key in a pandemic. Australia wasn't quite as on-the-ball as you folks, but I think we caught it -just- quickly enough to have a chance to dodge most of the harm it will cause to slow-to-act places like the US, or even worse inactive places like Sweden and Brazil.

[The Black Forrest]

See? You are a cultist.

Again my cousin is a 911 dispatcher and commented on the spike of poison calls due to trump talking about injecting disinfectant and bleach. She is a trumpest. Mainly because he “supprots” the police. Her fiance, a good guy, was killed in the line of duty.

Even she said he comments were very stupid!

I doubt you can say that.

I understand you don't like President Trump for your Political and Personal Views. President Trump did not create the evil virus, President Trump does care,

Actually no he doesn’t care. A caring President would have activated measures when the intelligence reports commented on Covid. If you didn’t know one of the things in his daily briefs are issues that could affect the United States.

President Trump signed the unemployment stimulus checks that should have been a clean bills by the Republicans and the Democrats without adding things that have nothing to do with the virus crisis.

Hmmm? I would have liked a check. I am out of work. Covid has made things worse. I am on my 10th email of we would like ot hire you however all jobs are on hold due to covid.

President Trump has listened to the Health Experts and we have the health guidelines.

That is a lie. Trump is on record for telling the professionals what needed to be done.

President Trump is not guilty for the deaths of any Americans because of the Virus crisis,

Trump is guilty of down playing if not dismissing the ramifications of the pandemic. He is responsible for the double if not tripling of the amount of deaths.

only the evil virus is guilty for the deaths of all Americans and for the deaths of all the Persons in the world.

Stating the obvious is not an argument. Here is something you wont answer. For all the talk of our medicine being the best in the world; why are we leading the world in reported infections, serious cases, daily infects and death? Well? He did promise to MAGA.

All Presidents Republicans and Democrats have said stupid things, things they should not say, things that the right wing media and the leftists media have taken out of context and twisted their words for Political reasons against them.

That is a lie. However, I will give you a chance to offer a previous President who suggested something like injecting disinfectant was a possibly.

Like Your Republican Friend. Yes, I am a Proud Republican supporter of President Trump for Making America Great Again, and he deserves reelection according to my Political Views and of those who agree with me, I am not the only one and their is nothing wrong with it. Take care and be safe from the evil virus. I will Put it on my sig.

No. You are a cultist. You can’t say Trump said or did something wrong or stupid.

[Bombadil]

President Trump is not guilty for the deaths of any Americans because of the Virus crisis, only the evil virus is guilty for the deaths of all Americans and for the deaths of all the Persons in the world. No President or world leader is.

If there was zero discrepancy in the handling and results of this virus across different countries you might have a point, there have been differences and the US under Trump has been about the worst in handling it.

Right now he's stating he will disband the committee in charge of handling the virus while Dr Fauci says that's not true, either he's not told Dr. Fauci, which would be remarkable, or he's lying for no reason whatsoever.

One’s heart goes out to the reporters who have sifted through the Donald Trump’s press briefings on the current pandemic – hour after hour of bombast, self-promotion, vitriol, lies and recklessly unscientific speculation – for any evidence of sympathy for those who are in pain. It’s hardly a shock to learn that our president’s expressions of care and compassion have occupied a total of less than five minutes, out of all that time.

After all, a man who mocked a disabled journalist and boasted about grabbing women wasn’t elected for the depths of his kindness and the purity of his moral conscience. And it seems unrealistically optimistic to have hoped that the extremity of this crisis should have inspired, in our leader, a deep and essential change of heart.

In all the press briefings just 5 minutes expressing any sympathy for victims of this virus, regardless of not taking any responsibility at all, he can't even bring himself to care.

[Arumdaum]

COVID-19 is basically gone from Korea. No domestic cases for three days in a row now. Was previously in single digits for a while. People here aren't really socially distancing anymore but everyone is still wearing masks.

Korea was never "shut down," but early action (Korea and the US both got their first confirmed cases on the same day) meant that the virus never reached the extent it has in the West.

Worried that it may come back, though. However, I'm feeling pretty confident about airport screenings.

Acting early and decisively certainly seems to be the key in a pandemic. Australia wasn't quite as on-the-ball as you folks, but I think we caught it -just- quickly enough to have a chance to dodge most of the harm it will cause to slow-to-act places like the US, or even worse inactive places like Sweden and Brazil.

Has Australia been doing well? I've actually never heard anything about it regarding the pandemic.

[Albrenia]

C'mon folks, leave GMS alone. They believe what they want and aren't exactly going to change their minds if all the evidence previously presented to them on these forums hasn't done so. They're at least up front about their beliefs, although I do rather wish they'd change up their wording a little on occasion.

[Bombadil]

COVID-19 is basically gone from Korea. No domestic cases for three days in a row now. Was previously in single digits for a while. People here aren't really socially distancing anymore but everyone is still wearing masks.

Korea was never "shut down," but early action (Korea and the US both got their first confirmed cases on the same day) meant that the virus never reached the extent it has in the West.

Worried that it may come back, though. However, I'm feeling pretty confident about airport screenings.

Pretty much the same here in HK, but also worried we've zero immunity given wildly varying stances taken by many other countries. I don't know how, exactly, we'll open up to other countries.

One main problem is that, in fact, HK, Macau and Taiwan are fine but we will never be able to open borders with them without also opening to China, who we simply don't trust.

It's a bizarre world we live in.

[The Black Forrest]

C'mon folks, leave GMS alone. They believe what they want and aren't exactly going to change their minds if all the evidence previously presented to them on these forums hasn't done so. They're at least up front about their beliefs, although I do rather wish they'd change up their wording a little on occasion.

Ignorance is not blessed or something to celebrate.

[UniversalCommons]

I wonder if there is a relationship between Covid 19 and meat. I look at the reports from Tyson where 58% of the workers at the plant got infected. It seems like meat packing plants have super high rates of infection. Maybe this is true of wet markets as well in China. Because of lots of dead animals and possibly infected animals it becomes easier to catch the virus. This is probably complete nonsense on my part.

58% of Workers at Tyson Meat Factory in Iowa Test Positive for Coronavirus
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/58 ... s-n1200641

No Burgers at Wendy's? Fast Food Chain Says Some Menu Items May Be 'Temporarily Limited'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 083584001/

Covid 19 Meat Shortages Could Last for Months
https://time.com/5830178/meat-shortages-coronavirus/

On a more personal note, I went to buy some sausage and peppers from the deli counter and the deli man said they did not make it because it was much more expensive than making fried eggplant, or cheese lasagna. The same is also true for the supermarket. The butchers counter has been closed for a while at the supermarket. The sausages had huge markups in the produce market.

I have been eating more sardines and beans lately and less red meat. It has become expensive.

[Albrenia]

C'mon folks, leave GMS alone. They believe what they want and aren't exactly going to change their minds if all the evidence previously presented to them on these forums hasn't done so. They're at least up front about their beliefs, although I do rather wish they'd change up their wording a little on occasion.

Ignorance is not blessed or something to celebrate.

Indeed, but it's not like you're gonna change their mind.

[Cannot think of a name]

Ignorance is not blessed or something to celebrate.

Indeed, but it's not like you're gonna change their mind.

If that was the metric used this place would have shut down fifteen years ago.

[Arumdaum]

COVID-19 is basically gone from Korea. No domestic cases for three days in a row now. Was previously in single digits for a while. People here aren't really socially distancing anymore but everyone is still wearing masks.

Korea was never "shut down," but early action (Korea and the US both got their first confirmed cases on the same day) meant that the virus never reached the extent it has in the West.

Worried that it may come back, though. However, I'm feeling pretty confident about airport screenings.

Pretty much the same here in HK, but also worried we've zero immunity given wildly varying stances taken by many other countries. I don't know how, exactly, we'll open up to other countries.

One main problem is that, in fact, HK, Macau and Taiwan are fine but we will never be able to open borders with them without also opening to China, who we simply don't trust.

It's a bizarre world we live in.

I think it should be alright as long as testing and airport screening capacity can keep up with border entries. I don't think Korea has ever closed any borders with anyone. We definitely never did with China throughout the entire crisis despite strong pressure from conservatives to do so, and neither did we from Europe and America, which is where I think most of our recent cases have been imported from for a while.

Just to clarify, but what do you mean by zero immunity? Like, lack of biological immunity from the virus since not many people have gotten it and thus no herd immunity?

[Farnhamia]

True, but in both cases it means SL will have to give something up. Which apparantly is untold horror.

Effete New York Liberal's gotta effete New York Liberal.

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Albrenia]

Indeed, but it's not like you're gonna change their mind.

If that was the metric used this place would have shut down fifteen years ago.

That is a good point. Carry on I guess, but don't dogpile the poor fellah too badly, please.

[Arumdaum]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

Haven't seen this here yet but:

France's first confirmed coronavirus case has been found to be from December. Makes you wonder how long the virus was actually spreading for.

[Bombadil]

Pretty much the same here in HK, but also worried we've zero immunity given wildly varying stances taken by many other countries. I don't know how, exactly, we'll open up to other countries.

One main problem is that, in fact, HK, Macau and Taiwan are fine but we will never be able to open borders with them without also opening to China, who we simply don't trust.

It's a bizarre world we live in.

I think it should be alright as long as testing and airport screening capacity can keep up with border entries. I don't think Korea has ever closed any borders with anyone. We definitely never did with China throughout the entire crisis despite strong pressure from conservatives to do so, and neither did we from Europe and America, which is where I think most of our recent cases have been imported from for a while.

Just to clarify, but what do you mean by zero immunity? Like, lack of biological immunity from the virus since not many people have gotten it and thus no herd immunity?

To your last point, yes.

On borders, well not exactly closed but 14 days quarantine for anyone arriving. How long will that continue or for which countries and how is transit managed.

All these and more..

[Albrenia]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

Haven't seen this here yet but:

France's first confirmed coronavirus case has been found to be from December. Makes you wonder how long the virus was actually spreading for.

It does appear to have been spreading for longer than we knew. I wonder if we go back and look over December and January's death rates how many people died as this thing was on the boil without anyone taking notice.

[Arumdaum]

I think it should be alright as long as testing and airport screening capacity can keep up with border entries. I don't think Korea has ever closed any borders with anyone. We definitely never did with China throughout the entire crisis despite strong pressure from conservatives to do so, and neither did we from Europe and America, which is where I think most of our recent cases have been imported from for a while.

Just to clarify, but what do you mean by zero immunity? Like, lack of biological immunity from the virus since not many people have gotten it and thus no herd immunity?

To your last point, yes.

On borders, well not exactly closed but 14 days quarantine for anyone arriving. How long will that continue or for which countries and how is transit managed.

All these and more..

I've also been worried that having prevented coronavirus from spreading all that much may actually end up being a problem if other countries simply end up doing nothing...

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Yes. There was an incident of a mall cop getting murdered because he got into an altercation with a person over wear masks at the mall.

It's honestly one of the weirder aspects of this virus. Objections to wearing masks has come from the WHO, governments, scientists and, of course, the general public in some areas. Part of the issue is that there's very little study on the usage of masks, and then every virus is different of course and finally the idea of preserving masks for the medical community was a concern.

However pretty early on it was known that this virus sits in the throat until enough has passed down into the lungs for major issues start, which is why many don't feel any symptoms despite being infected. If your lungs don't pass a certain load then you're fine.

However sitting in your throat for 14-20 days is when it spreads. Now it's not particularly likely that if I am infected and am wearing a mask that I will stop the spread, however if everyone is wearing masks then it absolutely stops it dead in its tracks. One study shows that if 20% of the population wears masks there's little effect, move over 50% and you're going a long way to stopping.

Yet some people take the simple idea of wearing a mask as an affront to their very person whereas we don't blink an eye to being asked to wash hands, it's an odd difference.

Objections to wearing masks has come from the WHO, governments, scientists It's all about the production of masks.The quantity is seriously insufficient in February.But now it's very difficult for them to take back their foreword, because many people believe what they said before.Another reason is that it seems that many members of the public lack the most basic biological education and medical knowledge. I think the education system is responsible for this.

[The Black Forrest]

Indeed, but it's not like you're gonna change their mind.

If that was the metric used this place would have shut down fifteen years ago.

Thus proving Max is a saint as screwed up people like ourselves need a place to vent.

[Pasong Tirad]

Yes. There was an incident of a mall cop getting murdered because he got into an altercation with a person over wear masks at the mall.

It's honestly one of the weirder aspects of this virus. Objections to wearing masks has come from the WHO, governments, scientists and, of course, the general public in some areas. Part of the issue is that there's very little study on the usage of masks, and then every virus is different of course and finally the idea of preserving masks for the medical community was a concern.

However pretty early on it was known that this virus sits in the throat until enough has passed down into the lungs for major issues start, which is why many don't feel any symptoms despite being infected. If your lungs don't pass a certain load then you're fine.

However sitting in your throat for 14-20 days is when it spreads. Now it's not particularly likely that if I am infected and am wearing a mask that I will stop the spread, however if everyone is wearing masks then it absolutely stops it dead in its tracks. One study shows that if 20% of the population wears masks there's little effect, move over 50% and you're going a long way to stopping.

Yet some people take the simple idea of wearing a mask as an affront to their very person whereas we don't blink an eye to being asked to wash hands, it's an odd difference.

It is my God-given FREEDOM to COUGH and SNEEZE and wipe my hands on any surface or person I please because AMERICA.

[Cannot think of a name]

If that was the metric used this place would have shut down fifteen years ago.

That is a good point. Carry on I guess, but don't dogpile the poor fellah too badly, please.

I mean, ideally just ignore him, he hasn't said a new thing since his first post and provides no counter points, raises no arguments, and makes zero contribution to the conversation. How many times can people put a quarter in the "I'm a proud Republican" machine before they realize there aren't any other recordings in there. But low hanging fruit is also the fuel this forum runs on.

[Greater Miami Shores]

That is a good point. Carry on I guess, but don't dogpile the poor fellah too badly, please.

I mean, ideally just ignore him, he hasn't said a new thing since his first post and provides no counter points, raises no arguments, and makes zero contribution to the conversation. How many times can people put a quarter in the "I'm a proud Republican" machine before they realize there aren't any other recordings in there. But low hanging fruit is also the fuel this forum runs on.

I don't care about the dog pillings, those dog pillings just makes me a stronger supporter of President Trump and makes me feel right and correct, this is what they my political critics don't understand, and thank you for your comments Albrenia, they have a democratic right too it. But I have a democratic right to support President Trump, it is now officially on my sigs.

[San Lumen]

It's honestly one of the weirder aspects of this virus. Objections to wearing masks has come from the WHO, governments, scientists and, of course, the general public in some areas. Part of the issue is that there's very little study on the usage of masks, and then every virus is different of course and finally the idea of preserving masks for the medical community was a concern.

However pretty early on it was known that this virus sits in the throat until enough has passed down into the lungs for major issues start, which is why many don't feel any symptoms despite being infected. If your lungs don't pass a certain load then you're fine.

However sitting in your throat for 14-20 days is when it spreads. Now it's not particularly likely that if I am infected and am wearing a mask that I will stop the spread, however if everyone is wearing masks then it absolutely stops it dead in its tracks. One study shows that if 20% of the population wears masks there's little effect, move over 50% and you're going a long way to stopping.

Yet some people take the simple idea of wearing a mask as an affront to their very person whereas we don't blink an eye to being asked to wash hands, it's an odd difference.

Objections to wearing masks has come from the WHO, governments, scientists It's all about the production of masks.The quantity is seriously insufficient in February.But now it's very difficult for them to take back their foreword, because many people believe what they said before.Another reason is that it seems that many members of the public lack the most basic biological education and medical knowledge. I think the education system is responsible for this.

To be honest masks can trigger anxiety in some people. It did for me and others I know when put on

[The Black Forrest]

I mean, ideally just ignore him, he hasn't said a new thing since his first post and provides no counter points, raises no arguments, and makes zero contribution to the conversation. How many times can people put a quarter in the "I'm a proud Republican" machine before they realize there aren't any other recordings in there. But low hanging fruit is also the fuel this forum runs on.[/Especially
I don't care about the dog pillings, and thank you for your comments Albrenia, they have a democratic right too it. But I have a democratic right to support President Trump, it is now officially on my sigs.

Nobody said you can’t support Trump. You just get treated as simple minded as doing it. Espeically when presented with the lies, out right stupidity he has expressed and you dismiss it as some kind of conspiracy.