Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Australian rePublic]

Ha? The original post with regards to this was permanent social distancing caused by being unable to ever develop a vaccine. Ever

A vaccine is going to be found. If not that a viable treatment and we won’t need any of the current measures anymore

I don't see how a vaccine will be found if antibodies don't last forever and reinfection is possible

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It's stupid to save an industry by issuing more money.Although the United States can pass on the cost to the world through its financial advantages,but that interrupted the spontaneous clearing process of the market.For example ,the aftermath of the financial crisis of 2008 has survived to this day and it's not solved.At this time, the government should let these fragile industries go bankrupt.They will be healthier and stronger in the future.

Yeah let’s let broadway die and 4 billion dollars evaporates. That would have no effect on the city economy whatsoever

Have you really been going on about the death of the theatre for EIGHT PAGES?

$4 billion is actually not much money. Is that annual, and including touring shows?

[Australian rePublic]

Yeah let’s let broadway die and 4 billion dollars evaporates. That would have no effect on the city economy whatsoever

Have you really been going on about the death of the theatre for EIGHT PAGES?

$4 billion is actually not much money. Is that annual, and including touring shows?

I'm starting to think that Lumen works at Broadway.

$4 billion isn't actually not a lot of money? For whom? The city of New York? NYC has to pay for police, schools, snow removal, roads, bureaucrats, hospitals, fire fighters, tourism advertising, jails, etc. I haven't seen their books, but $4 billion could well and truly be a substantial amount of money

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Have you really been going on about the death of the theatre for EIGHT PAGES?

$4 billion is actually not much money. Is that annual, and including touring shows?

I'm starting to think that Lumen works at Broadway.

$4 billion isn't actually not a lot of money? For whom? The city of New York? NYC has to pay for police, schools, snow removal, roads, bureaucrats, hospitals, fire fighters, tourism advertising, jails, etc. I haven't seen their books, but $4 billion could well and truly be a substantial amount of money

You think the $4 billion is how much tax Broadway pays?

Even if it was, the city budget of NYC is $86 billion.

[Australian rePublic]

For theatres to reopen without social distancing, people will have to die and spread the virus. How many people dying and having the virus is acceptable for these places to reopen?

They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.

I'm sure that the guy who cleans the toilets at the Winter Garden Theatre loves nothing as much as he loves his job

[Australian rePublic]

I'm starting to think that Lumen works at Broadway.

$4 billion isn't actually not a lot of money? For whom? The city of New York? NYC has to pay for police, schools, snow removal, roads, bureaucrats, hospitals, fire fighters, tourism advertising, jails, etc. I haven't seen their books, but $4 billion could well and truly be a substantial amount of money

You think the $4 billion is how much tax Broadway pays?

Even if it was, the city budget of NYC is $86 billion.

It's not about how much tax they pay. It's about how much revenue they generate. There are various ways to generate revenue other than paying tax. For one, the employees pay tax. Their shareholders would pay tax. Their suppliers pay tax, their suppliers' suppliers pay tax, etc.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You think the $4 billion is how much tax Broadway pays?

Even if it was, the city budget of NYC is $86 billion.

It's not about how much tax they pay.

Then you comparing the amount to NYC's spending is a non-sequitur.

[Australian rePublic]

It's not about how much tax they pay.

Then you comparing the amount to NYC's spending is a non-sequitur.

No it's not. If I ran a business which pays $30,000 per annum in tax, that's not how much my money my business generates.

I have to pay employees. These employees pay tax. These employees contribute to the economy in manners which don't involve tax. I have to pay suppliers. My suppliers pay tax. My suppliers are supplied by supplied by suppliers who pay tax, etc. People who I hire are people who aren't claiming unemployment benefits. If my suppliers have to hire, say 6 persons to supply my business, then that's 6 persons who are paying tax, contributing to the economy, and not claiming unemployment. Same goes for their suppliers, and their suppliers, since and repeat for many cycles

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Then you comparing the amount to NYC's spending is a non-sequitur.

No it's not. If I ran a business which pays $30,000 per annum in tax, that's not how much my money my business generates.

You're making the assumption that $4 billion is how much tax Broadway pays.

Is that a fact?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

that's 6 persons who are paying tax, contributing to the economy, and not claiming unemployment.

People claiming unemployment also contribute to the economy. And they pay tax.

[Australian rePublic]

No it's not. If I ran a business which pays $30,000 per annum in tax, that's not how much my money my business generates.

You're making the assumption that $4 billion is how much tax Broadway pays.

Is that a fact?

When did I say that that's how much tax they pay? Lumen said that that's how much they contribute to the economy, and I said that that's a lot. I never said that's that how much tax they pay

[Australian rePublic]

that's 6 persons who are paying tax, contributing to the economy, and not claiming unemployment.

People claiming unemployment also contribute to the economy. And they pay tax.

Bot as much as someone with a job. Centrelink (or whatever America's equivilant is) is tax payer funded

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You're making the assumption that $4 billion is how much tax Broadway pays.

Is that a fact?

When did I say that that's how much tax they pay? Lumen said that that's how much they contribute to the economy, and I said that that's a lot. I never said that's that how much tax they pay

How much tax they pay to the city is the only thing that makes the costs of running the city relevant.

You never said anything about how much tax they pay. That's what makes the NYC budget a non sequitur.

It does not follow. It is irrelevant. It is meaningless distraction.

[Australian rePublic]

When did I say that that's how much tax they pay? Lumen said that that's how much they contribute to the economy, and I said that that's a lot. I never said that's that how much tax they pay

How much tax they pay to the city is the only thing that makes the costs of running the city relevant.

I already explained to you why it's not. Are you going to refute what I said? Did I not explain it clearly enough.

Broadway's employees contribute to NYC's economy. Therefore the economic contribution of Broadway's employees count as Broadway's economic contribution. Ditto for Broadway's suppliers

[Nobel Hobos 2]

How much tax they pay to the city is the only thing that makes the costs of running the city relevant.

I already explained to you why it's not.

Nope. You brought up the costs incurred by the city in its everyday running.

What you should do now is show how much tax Broadway pays in a normal year. City taxes, not state or federal. And if you like, show the taxes also paid by Broadway employees and suppliers. Again, only the city taxes.

But that would require you to look stuff up, wouldn't it?

[Australian rePublic]

I already explained to you why it's not.

Nope. You brought up the costs incurred by the city in its everyday running.

What you should do now is show how much tax Broadway pays in a normal year. City taxes, not state or federal. And if you like, show the taxes also paid by Broadway employees and suppliers. Again, only the city taxes.

But that would require you to look stuff up, wouldn't it?

Economic contribution goes beyond just taxes. Tourism, for example also contributes to the economy. Explain to me how tax is the only contributer to the economy, and I'll conceed that you're correct. Also, as said earlier, Lumen's figures, not mine

[Vassenor]

Nope. You brought up the costs incurred by the city in its everyday running.

What you should do now is show how much tax Broadway pays in a normal year. City taxes, not state or federal. And if you like, show the taxes also paid by Broadway employees and suppliers. Again, only the city taxes.

But that would require you to look stuff up, wouldn't it?

Economic contribution goes beyond just taxes. Tourism, for example also contributes to the economy. Explain to me how tax is the only contributer to the economy, and I'll conceed that you're correct. Also, as said earlier, Lumen's figures, not mine

OK, so let's see the figures accounting for those factors.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Nope. You brought up the costs incurred by the city in its everyday running.

What you should do now is show how much tax Broadway pays in a normal year. City taxes, not state or federal. And if you like, show the taxes also paid by Broadway employees and suppliers. Again, only the city taxes.

But that would require you to look stuff up, wouldn't it?

Economic contribution goes beyond just taxes. Tourism, for example also contributes to the economy. Explain to me how tax is the only contributer to the economy, and I'll conceed that you're correct. Also, as said earlier, Lumen's figures, not mine

I have basically zero interest in whether you think I'm correct.

Yeah let’s let broadway die and 4 billion dollars evaporates. That would have no effect on the city economy whatsoever

Have you really been going on about the death of the theatre for EIGHT PAGES?

$4 billion is actually not much money. Is that annual, and including touring shows?

[Australian rePublic]

Economic contribution goes beyond just taxes. Tourism, for example also contributes to the economy. Explain to me how tax is the only contributer to the economy, and I'll conceed that you're correct. Also, as said earlier, Lumen's figures, not mine

OK, so let's see the figures accounting for those factors.

Probably not $4 billion. Once again, Lumen's figures, not mine

[Australian rePublic]

Economic contribution goes beyond just taxes. Tourism, for example also contributes to the economy. Explain to me how tax is the only contributer to the economy, and I'll conceed that you're correct. Also, as said earlier, Lumen's figures, not mine

I have basically zero interest in whether you think I'm correct.

Then why enter into a discussion with me?

[Australian rePublic]

Good news on the vaccine front:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12443640

[San Lumen]

Yeah let’s let broadway die and 4 billion dollars evaporates. That would have no effect on the city economy whatsoever

Have you really been going on about the death of the theatre for EIGHT PAGES?

$4 billion is actually not much money. Is that annual, and including touring shows?

That’s annual for nyc. The ripple effect of that would be massive

[The Alma Mater]

Yeah let’s let broadway die and 4 billion dollars evaporates. That would have no effect on the city economy whatsoever

Have you really been going on about the death of the theatre for EIGHT PAGES?
?

Try 800. It has been a returning theme for several parts of this thread.

[San Lumen]

A vaccine is going to be found. If not that a viable treatment and we won’t need any of the current measures anymore

I don't see how a vaccine will be found if antibodies don't last forever and reinfection is possible

The cdc already called the article that sparked this whole debate nonsense

[Greed and Death]

I don't see how a vaccine will be found if antibodies don't last forever and reinfection is possible

The cdc already called the article that sparked this whole debate nonsense

So the 5% number sis antibodies for 5% of the population. When you measured the infected. Only ~16% did not have antibodies. These non anti-bodied individuals tended to be people who showed no symptoms or only had very mild infections.

Never mind that antibodies are only a small part of the immune response. We have T cells and B cells that target specif pathogens.