Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Bombadil]

First is 9 days ago but initially sent for review back in May, the second is a Harvard article that references to this article, also published end of May.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nsmission/

And HK scientists warned of airborne transmission easily back in Feb/Mar..

So do you want organisations to promptly act on any prepublication ?

It's not acting per se, the point is they denied even the possibility of airborne transmission - I'm not expecting them to say it's definitively proven but at least be open to the possibility given the alerts being made to allow for precautions.

Given a pandemic, a degree of caution should be taken, if there's strongly growing evidence then I'd prefer the WHO err on the side of caution than deny, like they denied human to human transmission originally, the possibility.

[The Alma Mater]

So do you want organisations to promptly act on any prepublication ?

It's not acting per se, the point is they denied even the possibility of airborne transmission - I'm not expecting them to say it's definitively proven but at least be open to the possibility given the alerts being made to allow for precautions.

Given a pandemic, a degree of caution should be taken, if there's strongly growing evidence then I'd prefer the WHO err on the side of caution than deny, like they denied human to human transmission originally, the possibility.

They did not deny human to human transmission originally. The first statement they made was in fact:

According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market. Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported.

Which Trump and co later twisted to "they said it ould not be transferred from human to human".

[Bombadil]

It's not acting per se, the point is they denied even the possibility of airborne transmission - I'm not expecting them to say it's definitively proven but at least be open to the possibility given the alerts being made to allow for precautions.

Given a pandemic, a degree of caution should be taken, if there's strongly growing evidence then I'd prefer the WHO err on the side of caution than deny, like they denied human to human transmission originally, the possibility.

They did not deny human to human transmission originally. The first statement they made was in fact:

According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market. Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported.

Which Trump and co later twisted to "they said it ould not be transferred from human to human".

Well.. there's you and I and there's general scientific opinion..

It’s only the latest chapter in an ongoing tug of war between the WHO and the rest of the public-health world. “This is one in a series of many miscues,” says Dr. Eric Topol, director and founder of the Scripps Research Translational Institute.

I'm not a fan of Trump leaving the WHO however it's not to say they've not been oddly reticent about being precautionary.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Both of those links are the same and they're from 9 days ago.

When was this submission (not pre-pubs which WHO should also be reading) but the actual submission which you think they're obliged to act on promptly ... made?

First is 9 days ago but initially sent for review back in May, the second is a Harvard article that references to this article, also published end of May.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nsmission/

And HK scientists warned of airborne transmission easily back in Feb/Mar..

About Air borne before in 29 March 2020They had studied the problem at that time.Unlike private research institutions, WHO needs to be more cautious in all their research.So their statements will be more conservative. But they had provide that information to the public.

To date, some scientific publications provide initial evidence on whether the COVID-19 virus can be detected in the air and thus, some news outlets have suggested that there has been airborne transmission. These initial findings need to be interpreted carefully.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

It's not acting per se, the point is they denied even the possibility of airborne transmission - I'm not expecting them to say it's definitively proven but at least be open to the possibility given the alerts being made to allow for precautions.

Given a pandemic, a degree of caution should be taken, if there's strongly growing evidence then I'd prefer the WHO err on the side of caution than deny, like they denied human to human transmission originally, the possibility.

They did not deny human to human transmission originally. The first statement they made was in fact:

According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market. Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported.

Which Trump and co later twisted to "they said it ould not be transferred from human to human".

And they quickly revised the statement.Statement on the second meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), in 2020/01/30.I think the WHO response is much faster than most countries
The WHO Secretariat provided an overview of the situation in other countries. There are now 83 cases in 18 countries. Of these, only 7 had no history of travel in China. There has been human-to-human transmission in 3 countries outside China. One of these cases is severe and there have been no deaths.

[Rojava Free State]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-disagree-f ... 01814.html

And yet some would say Trump still isn't at fault for our shitty covid response in America.

[Zurkerx]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-disagree-fauci-covid-19-us-000301814.html

And yet some would say Trump still isn't at fault for our shitty covid response in America.

"Dr. Fauci said don't wear masks, now he says wear them," he continued, adding that the immunologist has "said numerous things" that according to Trump were bad advice.

"So we've done a good job. I think we are going to be in two, three, four weeks, by the time we next speak, I think we are going to be in very good shape," Trump added.

I remember very early on Fauci saying don't wear a mask (I think back in February or March), but that was before we knew what we knew what COVID-19 could do. He obviously has been recommending since Mid-March though. But to say he's "giving bad advice" clearly shows Trump's mindset. Christ, I have family that disapproves of Fauci, whom believe he's spreading the pandemic myth to calling him a "troll".

[Rojava Free State]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-disagree-fauci-covid-19-us-000301814.html

And yet some would say Trump still isn't at fault for our shitty covid response in America.

"Dr. Fauci said don't wear masks, now he says wear them," he continued, adding that the immunologist has "said numerous things" that according to Trump were bad advice.

"So we've done a good job. I think we are going to be in two, three, four weeks, by the time we next speak, I think we are going to be in very good shape," Trump added.

I remember very early on Fauci saying don't wear a mask (I think back in February or March), but that was before we knew what we knew what COVID-19 could do. He obviously has been recommending since Mid-March though. But to say he's "giving bad advice" clearly shows Trump's mindset. Christ, I have family that disapproves of Fauci, whom believe he's spreading the pandemic myth to calling him a "troll".

Trump continues to give bad advice. The difference between Trump and Fauci is that Fauci changed his view when the scientific evidence went against it, while Trump continues to use magical thinking and says "this is gonna go away soon, and we can reopen our economy cause I said so and I'm always right."

[The New California Republic]

Regarding the airborne transmission, if true then it means that the particles in the air are much more likely to be smaller than the holes in the overwhelming majority of surgical masks that people are using, meaning that coronavirus will pass right through the mask, making them useless except in cases of a cough or a sneeze where the virus is in droplets instead.

[Rojava Free State]

Regarding the airborne transmission, if true then it means that the particles in the air are much more likely to be smaller than the holes in the overwhelming majority of surgical masks that people are using, meaning that coronavirus will pass right through the mask, making them useless except in cases of a cough or a sneeze where the virus is in droplets instead.

So far I dont think scientists believe that there's clouds of covid just floating around waiting for you to walk through. The issue is that while sneezing may release large particles, smaller particles can be released even just by talking or breathing so you gotta be careful around people even if they have no symptoms.

We all probably would have gotten covid by this point if there were clouds of airborne viral particles that could infect you and penetrate masks.

[The Alma Mater]

Regarding the airborne transmission, if true then it means that the particles in the air are much more likely to be smaller than the holes in the overwhelming majority of surgical masks that people are using, meaning that coronavirus will pass right through the mask, making them useless except in cases of a cough or a sneeze where the virus is in droplets instead.

Well, yes. Isn't that exactly why we are told to wear masks - to prevent our sneezes from getting droplets everywhere ?

That the non-surgical masks do not protect oneself and may even slightly increase the risk of personal infection was said from day 1.

[The New California Republic]

Regarding the airborne transmission, if true then it means that the particles in the air are much more likely to be smaller than the holes in the overwhelming majority of surgical masks that people are using, meaning that coronavirus will pass right through the mask, making them useless except in cases of a cough or a sneeze where the virus is in droplets instead.

So far I dont think scientists believe that there's clouds of covid just floating around waiting for you to walk through. The issue is that while sneezing may release large particles, smaller particles can be released even just by talking or breathing so you gotta be careful around people even if they have no symptoms.

We all probably would have gotten covid by this point if there were clouds of airborne viral particles that could infect you and penetrate masks.

I didn't say there were clouds of it, but according to the scientists that are saying this, these small particles can linger in the air inside buildings and other enclosed spaces for hours, so using a mask inside a shop if someone coughed in there an hour before you arrived might not protect you.

[The New California Republic]

Regarding the airborne transmission, if true then it means that the particles in the air are much more likely to be smaller than the holes in the overwhelming majority of surgical masks that people are using, meaning that coronavirus will pass right through the mask, making them useless except in cases of a cough or a sneeze where the virus is in droplets instead.

Well, yes. Isn't that exactly why we are told to wear masks - to prevent our sneezes from getting droplets everywhere ?

That the non-surgical masks do not protect oneself and may even slightly increase the risk of personal infection was said from day 1.

But again the scientists saying this are saying that even talking or breathing can produce these airborne particles which then linger in the air for hours. And if they can pass right through masks then it makes the masks next to useless.

[Fartsniffage]

Well, yes. Isn't that exactly why we are told to wear masks - to prevent our sneezes from getting droplets everywhere ?

That the non-surgical masks do not protect oneself and may even slightly increase the risk of personal infection was said from day 1.

But again the scientists saying this are saying that even talking or breathing can produce these airborne particles which then linger in the air for hours. And if they can pass right through masks then it makes the masks next to useless.

This isn't new though. Months back scientists were saying that the safe distance around someone breathing hard, like a runner, went from 2m to 10m. It's the reason the British government has held off on opening gyms.

[The New California Republic]

But again the scientists saying this are saying that even talking or breathing can produce these airborne particles which then linger in the air for hours. And if they can pass right through masks then it makes the masks next to useless.

This isn't new though. Months back scientists were saying that the safe distance around someone breathing hard, like a runner, went from 2m to 10m. It's the reason the British government has held off on opening gyms.

Yes I know, but it makes me wonder how sensible the likes of Sturgeon and her ilk are when they are making facemasks in shops mandatory from Friday onward.

I mean, I knew Sturgeon wasn't sensible, but still...

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump logic: spending money on a useless ass wall and defending a statue that isn't even his: fine

Opening schools safely: too expensive


Disregarding things like how big the country is or how dence the population is, Trump makes a shitty tweet comparing nations that have handled covid better then him to as to why schools should be reopened in his dumbass way of reopening things. Oh and of fucking course he blames the dems. Can't have a Trump tweet with out dem bashing.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, yes. Isn't that exactly why we are told to wear masks - to prevent our sneezes from getting droplets everywhere ?

That the non-surgical masks do not protect oneself and may even slightly increase the risk of personal infection was said from day 1.

But again the scientists saying this are saying that even talking or breathing can produce these airborne particles which then linger in the air for hours. And if they can pass right through masks then it makes the masks next to useless.

Well no, the masks *slightly* protect society. The keyword is slightly - on their own they are far from sufficient. Complete lockdown and isolation would be; but governments are trying to find a balance where some living is still possible.

[Thermodolia]

So apparently according to the family wearing masks is equivalent to women in Muslim majority nations being forced to wear burkas and hijabs.

Sometimes I wonder if I was adopted

[The New California Republic]

But again the scientists saying this are saying that even talking or breathing can produce these airborne particles which then linger in the air for hours. And if they can pass right through masks then it makes the masks next to useless.

Well no, the masks *slightly* protect society. The keyword is slightly - on their own they are far from sufficient. Complete lockdown and isolation would be; but governments are trying to find a balance where some living is still possible.

And slightly less if what is now being said is true.

[Andsed]

So apparently according to the family wearing masks is equivalent to women in Muslim majority nations being forced to wear burkas and hijabs.

Sometimes I wonder if I was adopted

They should try out for the Olympics one day. With all that mentaal gymnastics they are doing they would surely take gold place

[Rojava Free State]

So apparently according to the family wearing masks is equivalent to women in Muslim majority nations being forced to wear burkas and hijabs.

Sometimes I wonder if I was adopted

And your family is Jewish? Those are the most redneckish Jews I've ever heard of besides my step uncle Henry Oliner.

[Stellar Colonies]

So apparently according to the family wearing masks is equivalent to women in Muslim majority nations being forced to wear burkas and hijabs.

Sometimes I wonder if I was adopted

And your family is Jewish? Those are the most redneckish Jews I've ever heard of besides my step uncle Henry Oliner.

Orthodox?

[Rojava Free State]

And your family is Jewish? Those are the most redneckish Jews I've ever heard of besides my step uncle Henry Oliner.

Orthodox?

I said redneckish. Not conservative alone.

[Stellar Colonies]

The county I live in has been added to California's Coronavirus Watch List, which means our reopening process will be rolled back and halted for at least three weeks.

[The Black Forrest]

So apparently according to the family wearing masks is equivalent to women in Muslim majority nations being forced to wear burkas and hijabs.

Sometimes I wonder if I was adopted

Wonder or hoping?

Pretty sad. I have relatives like that so I understand.