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Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

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Have you or anyone in your vincinity been affected by COVID-19?

I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with COVID-19
300
44%
I know someone was diagnosed with COVID-19
159
23%
Someone very close to me was diagnosed with COVID-19
42
6%
I know someone who was hospitalized with COVID-19
62
9%
Someone very close to me was hospitalized with COVID-19
30
4%
I was diagnosed with COVID-19
23
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:47 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Everyday at my highschool was torture, dealing with all the junkies, retards and weirdos. I told a guy who still goes to my school that he'll be thankful when he escapes.


Don't hold out false hope. You know some kids go wild when they get out of school, and some land in jail.

What you should tell your friend is actually the opposite. "Man it sucks to not have a job, and not even have school. You'll long for the days you had a reason to get out of bed"

Yeah it's propaganda. But telling your friend he'll be thankful is kind of propaganda too, isn't it?

My last year in highschool was pretty easy. For one thing, year 12 was hardly more than a half-year. After that we could come in to talk to teachers, but we were mostly expected to revise for the final exams. Which were well before the end of the regular school year, I think to allow time for marking the exams, appeal against the marking, and resitting the exam if permitted.

In school, I had my best friend John. And a surprising number of other boys who considered me their friend, despite me being barely polite to them. Well two of them I did genuinely like, and made some effort with, but I never was much good at being a friend. Abnormally small monkeysphere I think. But also something I was totally unaware of, ie me having the gay part of being bisexual. Also definitely somewhere on the autism spectrum: I think some of the girls and boys I'd known since little school got to like me despite me being stand-offish, and maybe they interpreted my put-downs as friendly attempts to improve them. I could say more, but it would reflect badly on my adult conduct.

In 1979 (and perhaps still) we had a system called the "Trial HSC". It was sold to students as an unmarked trial-run for the real HSC which they would show to employers or use to get into university. Actually its main purpose was to calibrate schools, and the half of HSC mark coming from teacher assessments would be scaled up or down, then put in with the final HSC exam results. Anyway I got high marks in the trial HSC, like a hundred (out of 500) more than I would need to get into the course I wanted at university.

Then there were parents and teachers pestering me to aim higher. Why study boring old maths and physics (ie the courses I could easily get into) when I could study Medicine or Law ... yeah, by totally busting my ass with study for three months, and getting into courses that are both long and hard, then into careers that are hard as fuck ... they meant well, they thought a career of study and career of work which would tax my mind would be best for me.

I'd like to say I shrugged off their advice, but actually I reacted against it. I did no further study, and I started drinking (I was 16, two years underage, but I had a beard and affected adult ways, so a conveniently nearby bottle shop sold me wine and sherry). I actually turned up drunk and carrying a bottle to one of my exams (English I think), and when the results came in (published in the city paper actually) I had 50 or so less than in the trial HSC. Still enough to get into the course I wanted.

My mother had split from the family by then. Actually she'd been seeing the guy she split with for several years (my dad knew about that, but neither my sister nor me did, it was quite a shock). Around about that time, my mother's disapproval would have made quite a difference, but things I and my sister said when she left alienated her from us all. My father's disapproval didn't mean much to me, because I was already hardened to it. My father had an even higher opinion of my intelligence than I did myself (I thought "best in my year cohort at school" but he thought "best of his generation in the whole world") and I had already given up on living up to his expectations. All I wanted was to get into the big pond of a major university, aim high at first (physics and math are actually high aspirations, there aren't many tenured positions from which to do unfettered work, and you'll be competing against intelligences so far above the average they are alien). Then choose my field. Yeah, I thought I was going to have a field, I wanted to know Everything about Something.

On the basis "you enjoy what you're good at", I took Physics and Mathematics. To please my father I took Computer Science. And to please my mother (without asking her) I took Philosophy.

Then I took drugs. The next year and a half are very colorful in my memory; in a sense I learned a lot. But in retrospect what I did was a shameful squandering of the FREE tertiary education offered to me by the Whitlam government. It was still provided, not yet abolished by the Fraser government, no credit should go to Fraser it's all down to Whitlam. Who by the way introduced free citizen healthcare, later abolished by the Fraser government. I did my share of protesting while at university, but that does not excuse the disgraceful abuse of free tertiary education which I committed.

Well I think I'll leave it there. My final year of high school was easy because I didn't try very hard. I got into the course I wanted at university, I passed 3/4 of courses in first year, then 2/3 courses in second year, and was eligible to take courses in third (graduating) year, all at no cost to myself. But I never knew what I wanted to be, or wanted to do, so I dropped out and embarked on a course of being a confused bum. Overqualified confused bum you might say.






*This is what people don't get when they call for "more STEM": to make a real contribution in the ancient and rather narrow fields of Math or Physics you have to be crazy smart. Shoving mediocre students into tertiary education in those fields, gets you a sufficient supply of high school teachers and may feed into other fields by cross-discipline, but it makes it harder for the really talented mathematicians and physicists to gain the peaceful tenured positions they need to do their best work. We need to rediscover patronage, aka tenure. We need to pick the best and give them generous lifelong pensions without even a requirement to teach, to sit in a campus office, or to do any administrative duties. Such liberty of the mind is not for everyone ... only for the best minds. Such patronage, in every major field of science and perhaps even in some humanities subjects, will be repayed a thousand times over to society.


Interesting story. As for my highschool, think of it as purgatory. When you leave, you either go to a better place, or a worse place. I still don't know which one I went to.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:21 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Don't hold out false hope. You know some kids go wild when they get out of school, and some land in jail.

What you should tell your friend is actually the opposite. "Man it sucks to not have a job, and not even have school. You'll long for the days you had a reason to get out of bed"

Yeah it's propaganda. But telling your friend he'll be thankful is kind of propaganda too, isn't it?

My last year in highschool was pretty easy. For one thing, year 12 was hardly more than a half-year. After that we could come in to talk to teachers, but we were mostly expected to revise for the final exams. Which were well before the end of the regular school year, I think to allow time for marking the exams, appeal against the marking, and resitting the exam if permitted.

In school, I had my best friend John. And a surprising number of other boys who considered me their friend, despite me being barely polite to them. Well two of them I did genuinely like, and made some effort with, but I never was much good at being a friend. Abnormally small monkeysphere I think. But also something I was totally unaware of, ie me having the gay part of being bisexual. Also definitely somewhere on the autism spectrum: I think some of the girls and boys I'd known since little school got to like me despite me being stand-offish, and maybe they interpreted my put-downs as friendly attempts to improve them. I could say more, but it would reflect badly on my adult conduct.

In 1979 (and perhaps still) we had a system called the "Trial HSC". It was sold to students as an unmarked trial-run for the real HSC which they would show to employers or use to get into university. Actually its main purpose was to calibrate schools, and the half of HSC mark coming from teacher assessments would be scaled up or down, then put in with the final HSC exam results. Anyway I got high marks in the trial HSC, like a hundred (out of 500) more than I would need to get into the course I wanted at university.

Then there were parents and teachers pestering me to aim higher. Why study boring old maths and physics (ie the courses I could easily get into) when I could study Medicine or Law ... yeah, by totally busting my ass with study for three months, and getting into courses that are both long and hard, then into careers that are hard as fuck ... they meant well, they thought a career of study and career of work which would tax my mind would be best for me.

I'd like to say I shrugged off their advice, but actually I reacted against it. I did no further study, and I started drinking (I was 16, two years underage, but I had a beard and affected adult ways, so a conveniently nearby bottle shop sold me wine and sherry). I actually turned up drunk and carrying a bottle to one of my exams (English I think), and when the results came in (published in the city paper actually) I had 50 or so less than in the trial HSC. Still enough to get into the course I wanted.

My mother had split from the family by then. Actually she'd been seeing the guy she split with for several years (my dad knew about that, but neither my sister nor me did, it was quite a shock). Around about that time, my mother's disapproval would have made quite a difference, but things I and my sister said when she left alienated her from us all. My father's disapproval didn't mean much to me, because I was already hardened to it. My father had an even higher opinion of my intelligence than I did myself (I thought "best in my year cohort at school" but he thought "best of his generation in the whole world") and I had already given up on living up to his expectations. All I wanted was to get into the big pond of a major university, aim high at first (physics and math are actually high aspirations, there aren't many tenured positions from which to do unfettered work, and you'll be competing against intelligences so far above the average they are alien). Then choose my field. Yeah, I thought I was going to have a field, I wanted to know Everything about Something.

On the basis "you enjoy what you're good at", I took Physics and Mathematics. To please my father I took Computer Science. And to please my mother (without asking her) I took Philosophy.

Then I took drugs. The next year and a half are very colorful in my memory; in a sense I learned a lot. But in retrospect what I did was a shameful squandering of the FREE tertiary education offered to me by the Whitlam government. It was still provided, not yet abolished by the Fraser government, no credit should go to Fraser it's all down to Whitlam. Who by the way introduced free citizen healthcare, later abolished by the Fraser government. I did my share of protesting while at university, but that does not excuse the disgraceful abuse of free tertiary education which I committed.

Well I think I'll leave it there. My final year of high school was easy because I didn't try very hard. I got into the course I wanted at university, I passed 3/4 of courses in first year, then 2/3 courses in second year, and was eligible to take courses in third (graduating) year, all at no cost to myself. But I never knew what I wanted to be, or wanted to do, so I dropped out and embarked on a course of being a confused bum. Overqualified confused bum you might say.






*This is what people don't get when they call for "more STEM": to make a real contribution in the ancient and rather narrow fields of Math or Physics you have to be crazy smart. Shoving mediocre students into tertiary education in those fields, gets you a sufficient supply of high school teachers and may feed into other fields by cross-discipline, but it makes it harder for the really talented mathematicians and physicists to gain the peaceful tenured positions they need to do their best work. We need to rediscover patronage, aka tenure. We need to pick the best and give them generous lifelong pensions without even a requirement to teach, to sit in a campus office, or to do any administrative duties. Such liberty of the mind is not for everyone ... only for the best minds. Such patronage, in every major field of science and perhaps even in some humanities subjects, will be repayed a thousand times over to society.


Interesting story. As for my highschool, think of it as purgatory. When you leave, you either go to a better place, or a worse place. I still don't know which one I went to.


Oh man, that's a personal story, and in so few words too.

Freedom is a two edged sword, am I right? When you suddenly find it in your hand, it's not long before you cut yourself.

I'm 54 now, I've been driving for about 6 years. I've gone through I don't know how to drive. Then hey! I'm getting better at this. Then whoa now, third gear could be dangerous. Then rather suddenly I can stop, turn left and right, I have good road awareness, give me that license already. Then my god I'm driving on my own, this really is dangerous. Then I nearly had an accident, I must not do that again. Then I am totally in control, I know the car, I know my own weaknesses. Then maybe it would have been better to take the right lane. Then yeah I lost it on the curve, should have ignored the boy racer on my tail. Then it was don't try to shout out the passenger side window to a motorist who has stuff falling out the back. Then it was don't indicate when you aren't going to turn.

And a lot more I have to learn. There's no manual teaching you how to deal with other drivers doing stupid things. And that is most of what you need to know, to keep life and limb on the road.

When I was 16 I would not have learned any of those lessons. It would have been "I passed the test, I know how to drive now" and I would be fucking dead.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:28 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Don't hold out false hope. You know some kids go wild when they get out of school, and some land in jail.

What you should tell your friend is actually the opposite. "Man it sucks to not have a job, and not even have school. You'll long for the days you had a reason to get out of bed"

Yeah it's propaganda. But telling your friend he'll be thankful is kind of propaganda too, isn't it?

My last year in highschool was pretty easy. For one thing, year 12 was hardly more than a half-year. After that we could come in to talk to teachers, but we were mostly expected to revise for the final exams. Which were well before the end of the regular school year, I think to allow time for marking the exams, appeal against the marking, and resitting the exam if permitted.

In school, I had my best friend John. And a surprising number of other boys who considered me their friend, despite me being barely polite to them. Well two of them I did genuinely like, and made some effort with, but I never was much good at being a friend. Abnormally small monkeysphere I think. But also something I was totally unaware of, ie me having the gay part of being bisexual. Also definitely somewhere on the autism spectrum: I think some of the girls and boys I'd known since little school got to like me despite me being stand-offish, and maybe they interpreted my put-downs as friendly attempts to improve them. I could say more, but it would reflect badly on my adult conduct.

In 1979 (and perhaps still) we had a system called the "Trial HSC". It was sold to students as an unmarked trial-run for the real HSC which they would show to employers or use to get into university. Actually its main purpose was to calibrate schools, and the half of HSC mark coming from teacher assessments would be scaled up or down, then put in with the final HSC exam results. Anyway I got high marks in the trial HSC, like a hundred (out of 500) more than I would need to get into the course I wanted at university.

Then there were parents and teachers pestering me to aim higher. Why study boring old maths and physics (ie the courses I could easily get into) when I could study Medicine or Law ... yeah, by totally busting my ass with study for three months, and getting into courses that are both long and hard, then into careers that are hard as fuck ... they meant well, they thought a career of study and career of work which would tax my mind would be best for me.

I'd like to say I shrugged off their advice, but actually I reacted against it. I did no further study, and I started drinking (I was 16, two years underage, but I had a beard and affected adult ways, so a conveniently nearby bottle shop sold me wine and sherry). I actually turned up drunk and carrying a bottle to one of my exams (English I think), and when the results came in (published in the city paper actually) I had 50 or so less than in the trial HSC. Still enough to get into the course I wanted.

My mother had split from the family by then. Actually she'd been seeing the guy she split with for several years (my dad knew about that, but neither my sister nor me did, it was quite a shock). Around about that time, my mother's disapproval would have made quite a difference, but things I and my sister said when she left alienated her from us all. My father's disapproval didn't mean much to me, because I was already hardened to it. My father had an even higher opinion of my intelligence than I did myself (I thought "best in my year cohort at school" but he thought "best of his generation in the whole world") and I had already given up on living up to his expectations. All I wanted was to get into the big pond of a major university, aim high at first (physics and math are actually high aspirations, there aren't many tenured positions from which to do unfettered work, and you'll be competing against intelligences so far above the average they are alien). Then choose my field. Yeah, I thought I was going to have a field, I wanted to know Everything about Something.

On the basis "you enjoy what you're good at", I took Physics and Mathematics. To please my father I took Computer Science. And to please my mother (without asking her) I took Philosophy.

Then I took drugs. The next year and a half are very colorful in my memory; in a sense I learned a lot. But in retrospect what I did was a shameful squandering of the FREE tertiary education offered to me by the Whitlam government. It was still provided, not yet abolished by the Fraser government, no credit should go to Fraser it's all down to Whitlam. Who by the way introduced free citizen healthcare, later abolished by the Fraser government. I did my share of protesting while at university, but that does not excuse the disgraceful abuse of free tertiary education which I committed.

Well I think I'll leave it there. My final year of high school was easy because I didn't try very hard. I got into the course I wanted at university, I passed 3/4 of courses in first year, then 2/3 courses in second year, and was eligible to take courses in third (graduating) year, all at no cost to myself. But I never knew what I wanted to be, or wanted to do, so I dropped out and embarked on a course of being a confused bum. Overqualified confused bum you might say.






*This is what people don't get when they call for "more STEM": to make a real contribution in the ancient and rather narrow fields of Math or Physics you have to be crazy smart. Shoving mediocre students into tertiary education in those fields, gets you a sufficient supply of high school teachers and may feed into other fields by cross-discipline, but it makes it harder for the really talented mathematicians and physicists to gain the peaceful tenured positions they need to do their best work. We need to rediscover patronage, aka tenure. We need to pick the best and give them generous lifelong pensions without even a requirement to teach, to sit in a campus office, or to do any administrative duties. Such liberty of the mind is not for everyone ... only for the best minds. Such patronage, in every major field of science and perhaps even in some humanities subjects, will be repayed a thousand times over to society.


Interesting story. As for my highschool, think of it as purgatory. When you leave, you either go to a better place, or a worse place. I still don't know which one I went to.

That's not how purgatory works.
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Postby Salandriagado » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:29 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Utterly irrelevant to my point.

Say the current national escalation continues until 70% of Americans have (or have had) coronavirus. That's one estimate of where herd immunity kicks in, and presumably new infections fall after that (even with no preventative measures). That's nearly three times the highest estimate (24%) of Americans who've caught it already.

Now suppose that henceforth no race data of victims (infected OR died) is given out with the authority of the CDC. Two thirds of the results will be marked "race unknown" and the public analysts can at best assume that 13% are black and 70% are white. Then add that to the better data collected up until now, and you've diluted the measured effect on black people, poor people, and elderly people.

Honestly I hope this isn't what the administration is planning to do. They're done, if they just carry on with the usual level of incompetence and deceit, and I want nothing more than a comfortable win for Biden and Democratic control of Congress. I do not want Trump to do anything worse that what it takes for him to lose, and I do not want Republicans blown off the face of the planet. That's what will happen if Trump tries to tell the Big Lie about coronavirus.


As a sidenote, it is doubtful herd immunity is possible. It appears resistance to the virus disappears after a few months.


No it doesn't. It appears that antibody titres drop off after a few months. That's not even remotely the same thing.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
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Postby Torisakia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:36 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Everyday at my highschool was torture, dealing with all the junkies, retards and weirdos. I told a guy who still goes to my school that he'll be thankful when he escapes.


Don't hold out false hope. You know some kids go wild when they get out of school, and some land in jail.

What you should tell your friend is actually the opposite. "Man it sucks to not have a job, and not even have school. You'll long for the days you had a reason to get out of bed"

Yeah it's propaganda. But telling your friend he'll be thankful is kind of propaganda too, isn't it?

My last year in highschool was pretty easy. For one thing, year 12 was hardly more than a half-year. After that we could come in to talk to teachers, but we were mostly expected to revise for the final exams. Which were well before the end of the regular school year, I think to allow time for marking the exams, appeal against the marking, and resitting the exam if permitted.

In school, I had my best friend John. And a surprising number of other boys who considered me their friend, despite me being barely polite to them. Well two of them I did genuinely like, and made some effort with, but I never was much good at being a friend. Abnormally small monkeysphere I think. But also something I was totally unaware of, ie me having the gay part of being bisexual. Also definitely somewhere on the autism spectrum: I think some of the girls and boys I'd known since little school got to like me despite me being stand-offish, and maybe they interpreted my put-downs as friendly attempts to improve them. I could say more, but it would reflect badly on my adult conduct.

In 1979 (and perhaps still) we had a system called the "Trial HSC". It was sold to students as an unmarked trial-run for the real HSC which they would show to employers or use to get into university. Actually its main purpose was to calibrate schools, and the half of HSC mark coming from teacher assessments would be scaled up or down, then put in with the final HSC exam results. Anyway I got high marks in the trial HSC, like a hundred (out of 500) more than I would need to get into the course I wanted at university.

Then there were parents and teachers pestering me to aim higher. Why study boring old maths and physics (ie the courses I could easily get into) when I could study Medicine or Law ... yeah, by totally busting my ass with study for three months, and getting into courses that are both long and hard, then into careers that are hard as fuck ... they meant well, they thought a career of study and career of work which would tax my mind would be best for me.

I'd like to say I shrugged off their advice, but actually I reacted against it. I did no further study, and I started drinking (I was 16, two years underage, but I had a beard and affected adult ways, so a conveniently nearby bottle shop sold me wine and sherry). I actually turned up drunk and carrying a bottle to one of my exams (English I think), and when the results came in (published in the city paper actually) I had 50 or so less than in the trial HSC. Still enough to get into the course I wanted.

My mother had split from the family by then. Actually she'd been seeing the guy she split with for several years (my dad knew about that, but neither my sister nor me did, it was quite a shock). Around about that time, my mother's disapproval would have made quite a difference, but things I and my sister said when she left alienated her from us all. My father's disapproval didn't mean much to me, because I was already hardened to it. My father had an even higher opinion of my intelligence than I did myself (I thought "best in my year cohort at school" but he thought "best of his generation in the whole world") and I had already given up on living up to his expectations. All I wanted was to get into the big pond of a major university, aim high at first (physics and math are actually high aspirations, there aren't many tenured positions from which to do unfettered work, and you'll be competing against intelligences so far above the average they are alien). Then choose my field. Yeah, I thought I was going to have a field, I wanted to know Everything about Something.

On the basis "you enjoy what you're good at", I took Physics and Mathematics. To please my father I took Computer Science. And to please my mother (without asking her) I took Philosophy.

Then I took drugs. The next year and a half are very colorful in my memory; in a sense I learned a lot. But in retrospect what I did was a shameful squandering of the FREE tertiary education offered to me by the Whitlam government. It was still provided, not yet abolished by the Fraser government, no credit should go to Fraser it's all down to Whitlam. Who by the way introduced free citizen healthcare, later abolished by the Fraser government. I did my share of protesting while at university, but that does not excuse the disgraceful abuse of free tertiary education which I committed.

Well I think I'll leave it there. My final year of high school was easy because I didn't try very hard. I got into the course I wanted at university, I passed 3/4 of courses in first year, then 2/3 courses in second year, and was eligible to take courses in third (graduating) year, all at no cost to myself. But I never knew what I wanted to be, or wanted to do, so I dropped out and embarked on a course of being a confused bum. Overqualified confused bum you might say.






*This is what people don't get when they call for "more STEM": to make a real contribution in the ancient and rather narrow fields of Math or Physics you have to be crazy smart. Shoving mediocre students into tertiary education in those fields, gets you a sufficient supply of high school teachers and may feed into other fields by cross-discipline, but it makes it harder for the really talented mathematicians and physicists to gain the peaceful tenured positions they need to do their best work. We need to rediscover patronage, aka tenure. We need to pick the best and give them generous lifelong pensions without even a requirement to teach, to sit in a campus office, or to do any administrative duties. Such liberty of the mind is not for everyone ... only for the best minds. Such patronage, in every major field of science and perhaps even in some humanities subjects, will be repayed a thousand times over to society.

High school sucks, but adulthood after high school also sucks. So not much to really look forward too other than death.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:50 am

Torisakia wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Don't hold out false hope. You know some kids go wild when they get out of school, and some land in jail.

What you should tell your friend is actually the opposite. "Man it sucks to not have a job, and not even have school. You'll long for the days you had a reason to get out of bed"

Yeah it's propaganda. But telling your friend he'll be thankful is kind of propaganda too, isn't it?

My last year in highschool was pretty easy. For one thing, year 12 was hardly more than a half-year. After that we could come in to talk to teachers, but we were mostly expected to revise for the final exams. Which were well before the end of the regular school year, I think to allow time for marking the exams, appeal against the marking, and resitting the exam if permitted.

In school, I had my best friend John. And a surprising number of other boys who considered me their friend, despite me being barely polite to them. Well two of them I did genuinely like, and made some effort with, but I never was much good at being a friend. Abnormally small monkeysphere I think. But also something I was totally unaware of, ie me having the gay part of being bisexual. Also definitely somewhere on the autism spectrum: I think some of the girls and boys I'd known since little school got to like me despite me being stand-offish, and maybe they interpreted my put-downs as friendly attempts to improve them. I could say more, but it would reflect badly on my adult conduct.

In 1979 (and perhaps still) we had a system called the "Trial HSC". It was sold to students as an unmarked trial-run for the real HSC which they would show to employers or use to get into university. Actually its main purpose was to calibrate schools, and the half of HSC mark coming from teacher assessments would be scaled up or down, then put in with the final HSC exam results. Anyway I got high marks in the trial HSC, like a hundred (out of 500) more than I would need to get into the course I wanted at university.

Then there were parents and teachers pestering me to aim higher. Why study boring old maths and physics (ie the courses I could easily get into) when I could study Medicine or Law ... yeah, by totally busting my ass with study for three months, and getting into courses that are both long and hard, then into careers that are hard as fuck ... they meant well, they thought a career of study and career of work which would tax my mind would be best for me.

I'd like to say I shrugged off their advice, but actually I reacted against it. I did no further study, and I started drinking (I was 16, two years underage, but I had a beard and affected adult ways, so a conveniently nearby bottle shop sold me wine and sherry). I actually turned up drunk and carrying a bottle to one of my exams (English I think), and when the results came in (published in the city paper actually) I had 50 or so less than in the trial HSC. Still enough to get into the course I wanted.

My mother had split from the family by then. Actually she'd been seeing the guy she split with for several years (my dad knew about that, but neither my sister nor me did, it was quite a shock). Around about that time, my mother's disapproval would have made quite a difference, but things I and my sister said when she left alienated her from us all. My father's disapproval didn't mean much to me, because I was already hardened to it. My father had an even higher opinion of my intelligence than I did myself (I thought "best in my year cohort at school" but he thought "best of his generation in the whole world") and I had already given up on living up to his expectations. All I wanted was to get into the big pond of a major university, aim high at first (physics and math are actually high aspirations, there aren't many tenured positions from which to do unfettered work, and you'll be competing against intelligences so far above the average they are alien). Then choose my field. Yeah, I thought I was going to have a field, I wanted to know Everything about Something.

On the basis "you enjoy what you're good at", I took Physics and Mathematics. To please my father I took Computer Science. And to please my mother (without asking her) I took Philosophy.

Then I took drugs. The next year and a half are very colorful in my memory; in a sense I learned a lot. But in retrospect what I did was a shameful squandering of the FREE tertiary education offered to me by the Whitlam government. It was still provided, not yet abolished by the Fraser government, no credit should go to Fraser it's all down to Whitlam. Who by the way introduced free citizen healthcare, later abolished by the Fraser government. I did my share of protesting while at university, but that does not excuse the disgraceful abuse of free tertiary education which I committed.

Well I think I'll leave it there. My final year of high school was easy because I didn't try very hard. I got into the course I wanted at university, I passed 3/4 of courses in first year, then 2/3 courses in second year, and was eligible to take courses in third (graduating) year, all at no cost to myself. But I never knew what I wanted to be, or wanted to do, so I dropped out and embarked on a course of being a confused bum. Overqualified confused bum you might say.






*This is what people don't get when they call for "more STEM": to make a real contribution in the ancient and rather narrow fields of Math or Physics you have to be crazy smart. Shoving mediocre students into tertiary education in those fields, gets you a sufficient supply of high school teachers and may feed into other fields by cross-discipline, but it makes it harder for the really talented mathematicians and physicists to gain the peaceful tenured positions they need to do their best work. We need to rediscover patronage, aka tenure. We need to pick the best and give them generous lifelong pensions without even a requirement to teach, to sit in a campus office, or to do any administrative duties. Such liberty of the mind is not for everyone ... only for the best minds. Such patronage, in every major field of science and perhaps even in some humanities subjects, will be repayed a thousand times over to society.

High school sucks, but adulthood after high school also sucks. So not much to really look forward too other than death.

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Torisakia wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Don't hold out false hope. You know some kids go wild when they get out of school, and some land in jail.

What you should tell your friend is actually the opposite. "Man it sucks to not have a job, and not even have school. You'll long for the days you had a reason to get out of bed"

Yeah it's propaganda. But telling your friend he'll be thankful is kind of propaganda too, isn't it?

My last year in highschool was pretty easy. For one thing, year 12 was hardly more than a half-year. After that we could come in to talk to teachers, but we were mostly expected to revise for the final exams. Which were well before the end of the regular school year, I think to allow time for marking the exams, appeal against the marking, and resitting the exam if permitted.

In school, I had my best friend John. And a surprising number of other boys who considered me their friend, despite me being barely polite to them. Well two of them I did genuinely like, and made some effort with, but I never was much good at being a friend. Abnormally small monkeysphere I think. But also something I was totally unaware of, ie me having the gay part of being bisexual. Also definitely somewhere on the autism spectrum: I think some of the girls and boys I'd known since little school got to like me despite me being stand-offish, and maybe they interpreted my put-downs as friendly attempts to improve them. I could say more, but it would reflect badly on my adult conduct.

In 1979 (and perhaps still) we had a system called the "Trial HSC". It was sold to students as an unmarked trial-run for the real HSC which they would show to employers or use to get into university. Actually its main purpose was to calibrate schools, and the half of HSC mark coming from teacher assessments would be scaled up or down, then put in with the final HSC exam results. Anyway I got high marks in the trial HSC, like a hundred (out of 500) more than I would need to get into the course I wanted at university.

Then there were parents and teachers pestering me to aim higher. Why study boring old maths and physics (ie the courses I could easily get into) when I could study Medicine or Law ... yeah, by totally busting my ass with study for three months, and getting into courses that are both long and hard, then into careers that are hard as fuck ... they meant well, they thought a career of study and career of work which would tax my mind would be best for me.

I'd like to say I shrugged off their advice, but actually I reacted against it. I did no further study, and I started drinking (I was 16, two years underage, but I had a beard and affected adult ways, so a conveniently nearby bottle shop sold me wine and sherry). I actually turned up drunk and carrying a bottle to one of my exams (English I think), and when the results came in (published in the city paper actually) I had 50 or so less than in the trial HSC. Still enough to get into the course I wanted.

My mother had split from the family by then. Actually she'd been seeing the guy she split with for several years (my dad knew about that, but neither my sister nor me did, it was quite a shock). Around about that time, my mother's disapproval would have made quite a difference, but things I and my sister said when she left alienated her from us all. My father's disapproval didn't mean much to me, because I was already hardened to it. My father had an even higher opinion of my intelligence than I did myself (I thought "best in my year cohort at school" but he thought "best of his generation in the whole world") and I had already given up on living up to his expectations. All I wanted was to get into the big pond of a major university, aim high at first (physics and math are actually high aspirations, there aren't many tenured positions from which to do unfettered work, and you'll be competing against intelligences so far above the average they are alien). Then choose my field. Yeah, I thought I was going to have a field, I wanted to know Everything about Something.

On the basis "you enjoy what you're good at", I took Physics and Mathematics. To please my father I took Computer Science. And to please my mother (without asking her) I took Philosophy.

Then I took drugs. The next year and a half are very colorful in my memory; in a sense I learned a lot. But in retrospect what I did was a shameful squandering of the FREE tertiary education offered to me by the Whitlam government. It was still provided, not yet abolished by the Fraser government, no credit should go to Fraser it's all down to Whitlam. Who by the way introduced free citizen healthcare, later abolished by the Fraser government. I did my share of protesting while at university, but that does not excuse the disgraceful abuse of free tertiary education which I committed.

Well I think I'll leave it there. My final year of high school was easy because I didn't try very hard. I got into the course I wanted at university, I passed 3/4 of courses in first year, then 2/3 courses in second year, and was eligible to take courses in third (graduating) year, all at no cost to myself. But I never knew what I wanted to be, or wanted to do, so I dropped out and embarked on a course of being a confused bum. Overqualified confused bum you might say.






*This is what people don't get when they call for "more STEM": to make a real contribution in the ancient and rather narrow fields of Math or Physics you have to be crazy smart. Shoving mediocre students into tertiary education in those fields, gets you a sufficient supply of high school teachers and may feed into other fields by cross-discipline, but it makes it harder for the really talented mathematicians and physicists to gain the peaceful tenured positions they need to do their best work. We need to rediscover patronage, aka tenure. We need to pick the best and give them generous lifelong pensions without even a requirement to teach, to sit in a campus office, or to do any administrative duties. Such liberty of the mind is not for everyone ... only for the best minds. Such patronage, in every major field of science and perhaps even in some humanities subjects, will be repayed a thousand times over to society.

High school sucks, but adulthood after high school also sucks. So not much to really look forward too other than death.

Are you ok? Why such a negative outlook?

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As a sidenote, it is doubtful herd immunity is possible. It appears resistance to the virus disappears after a few months.


No it doesn't. It appears that antibody titres drop off after a few months. That's not even remotely the same thing.

So the antibodies becomes undetectable at a certain point? So it will then be like HIV after treatment sort of? In that you still have/had the virus but that the antibodies don’t show up on tests?

I guess the concern is that the titers dropping off could mean that you are open to reinfection ala Syphilis
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Thermodolia wrote:
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No it doesn't. It appears that antibody titres drop off after a few months. That's not even remotely the same thing.

So the antibodies becomes undetectable at a certain point? So it will then be like HIV after treatment sort of? In that you still have/had the virus but that the antibodies don’t show up on tests?

I guess the concern is that the titers dropping off could mean that you are open to reinfection ala Syphilis


You do not get reinfected with Syphilis just if it is untreated latent for years and then reactivates to make you go crazy
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Thermodolia wrote:So the antibodies becomes undetectable at a certain point? So it will then be like HIV after treatment sort of? In that you still have/had the virus but that the antibodies don’t show up on tests?

I guess the concern is that the titers dropping off could mean that you are open to reinfection ala Syphilis


You do not get reinfected with Syphilis just if it is untreated latent for years and then reactivates to make you go crazy


Yeah that's just Freud's excuse ... for being crazy.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Torisakia wrote:High school sucks, but adulthood after high school also sucks. So not much to really look forward too other than death.

Are you ok? Why such a negative outlook?


It's not so different from mine. I think my brain was growing and getting better until about the age of 12. Then some dastardly hormones got in and screwed it up, gradually at first but by the age of 18 or so I was a wreck. Ever since then, I've just been coping and compensating. I have never regained that sense of self, a really centered view of the world.

Adulthood sucks? No, puberty sucks. Perhaps parents are to blame, trying to raise the perfect child, thinking the child will handle the transition to ...

Nah, this is all off topic.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:18 am

Ireland's R number is apparently up to between 1.4 and 1.8 after falling down to 0.4 at one point. Looks like we're making a balls of this and may have to go back into lockdown.
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My uncle has it but he's okay so far. First person I know to get it. My parents are still bizarrely apathetic about the whole pandemic.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am

Ifreann wrote:Ireland's R number is apparently up to between 1.4 and 1.8 after falling down to 0.4 at one point. Looks like we're making a balls of this and may have to go back into lockdown.


It was probably inevitable, hopefully you lot have the medical facilities on hand to minimize the deaths at least.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:33 am

Page wrote:My uncle has it but he's okay so far. First person I know to get it. My parents are still bizarrely apathetic about the whole pandemic.


That is noteworthy! I don't know anyone who has (by test) had the virus.

(I do know a few people who keep whining about their cough or their aches and pains, but "go get a test" seems to cure them)
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:40 am

Ifreann wrote:Ireland's R number is apparently up to between 1.4 and 1.8 after falling down to 0.4 at one point. Looks like we're making a balls of this and may have to go back into lockdown.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4303426

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:41 am

Ifreann wrote:Ireland's R number is apparently up to between 1.4 and 1.8 after falling down to 0.4 at one point. Looks like we're making a balls of this and may have to go back into lockdown.

Reopening was bound to cause an uptick. We have to strike a balance or find some other solution then going right back to lockdown

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:47 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So the antibodies becomes undetectable at a certain point? So it will then be like HIV after treatment sort of? In that you still have/had the virus but that the antibodies don’t show up on tests?

I guess the concern is that the titers dropping off could mean that you are open to reinfection ala Syphilis


You do not get reinfected with Syphilis just if it is untreated latent for years and then reactivates to make you go crazy

Except you can get reinfected with syphilis after you treat it. I should know because I have had syphilis and the doctor said that I could get again even though i was treated for it
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ireland's R number is apparently up to between 1.4 and 1.8 after falling down to 0.4 at one point. Looks like we're making a balls of this and may have to go back into lockdown.

Reopening was bound to cause an uptick. We have to strike a balance or find some other solution then going right back to lockdown

New Zealand and a few other nations seem to have been fine. Hell there are no masks in NZ, of course you can’t enter the country so...
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:54 am

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San Lumen wrote:Are you ok? Why such a negative outlook?


It's not so different from mine. I think my brain was growing and getting better until about the age of 12. Then some dastardly hormones got in and screwed it up, gradually at first but by the age of 18 or so I was a wreck. Ever since then, I've just been coping and compensating. I have never regained that sense of self, a really centered view of the world.

Adulthood sucks? No, puberty sucks. Perhaps parents are to blame, trying to raise the perfect child, thinking the child will handle the transition to ...

Nah, this is all off topic.

Ya I have to agree. Adulthood is great. Childhood? Not so much
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Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ireland's R number is apparently up to between 1.4 and 1.8 after falling down to 0.4 at one point. Looks like we're making a balls of this and may have to go back into lockdown.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4303426

Yep. In theory they should all be isolating for 14 days upon arrival. Chances that they all are seem slim, though.


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Ifreann wrote:Ireland's R number is apparently up to between 1.4 and 1.8 after falling down to 0.4 at one point. Looks like we're making a balls of this and may have to go back into lockdown.

Reopening was bound to cause an uptick. We have to strike a balance or find some other solution then going right back to lockdown

No we don't.
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Postby Torisakia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Torisakia wrote:High school sucks, but adulthood after high school also sucks. So not much to really look forward too other than death.

Are you ok? Why such a negative outlook?

It's more of a 'realist' outlook. I'm fine but I've come to accept what is guaranteed in life. I'm the same way about taxes.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 am

Ifreann wrote:

Yep. In theory they should all be isolating for 14 days upon arrival. Chances that they all are seem slim, though.


San Lumen wrote:Reopening was bound to cause an uptick. We have to strike a balance or find some other solution then going right back to lockdown

No we don't.

Why don’t we just implement your solution then of lockdown until their is a vaccine? You said that’s what’s you do as an executive and wouldn’t give one iota about the economics of your decision
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yep. In theory they should all be isolating for 14 days upon arrival. Chances that they all are seem slim, though.



No we don't.

Why don’t we just implement your solution then of lockdown until their is a vaccine? You said that’s what’s you do as an executive and wouldn’t give one iota about the economics of your decision

Primarily because it's not up to me, obviously.
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