Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[San Lumen]

if it was that simple it would be done

Yeah, if it was that simple to improve people's lives massively, the government would ignore the monied interests and their lobbyists.

You and others act like everything could be fixed tomorrow if we wanted too. Lobbying and money in politics is a problem but everything isn’t as simple as people make it out to be.

I will also remind you that every cause you likely support have lobbyists

[Fedel]

if it was that simple it would be done

Yeah, if it was that simple to improve people's lives massively, the government would ignore the monied interests and their lobbyists.

Out of curiosity, how exactly do you see this working in our current system? If the government declared that landlords aren't allowed to rent out their property, wouldn't they be more likely to sell it or tear down the building and put in a shopping center or some other more profitable venture instead?

Or does this suggestion come along with implied change to the existing economic structure as well?

[Andsed]

^this

if it was that simple it would be done

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

[San Lumen]

if it was that simple it would be done

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

[Cisairse]

Yeah, if it was that simple to improve people's lives massively, the government would ignore the monied interests and their lobbyists.

You and others act like everything could be fixed tomorrow if we wanted too. Lobbying and money in politics is a problem but everything isn’t as simple as people make it out to be.

I will also remind you that every cause you likely support have lobbyists

Everything could literally be fixed tomorrow if we didn't have, you know, systems in place to entrench oppression.

[Heloin]

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

Why don’t you if you think this is a valid argument?

[Andsed]

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

[Punished UMN]

Yes, they literally regulate the price of an apartment.

London is so expensive because they abolished their rent controls in 1980, in Germany and Canada, rent controls are based on relative prices. You could always take the approach of many countries though and just abolish landlords.

I know people in London, Berlin and Toronto and the price of apartments there is insane so I have doubts about your claim

Fortunately some nice men in California invented google so you can find out about simple trivia like public policy in foreign countries instead of making assumptions about their public policy based on limited off-handed comments from your friends about the price of rent in specific cities.

[San Lumen]

You and others act like everything could be fixed tomorrow if we wanted too. Lobbying and money in politics is a problem but everything isn’t as simple as people make it out to be.

I will also remind you that every cause you likely support have lobbyists

Everything could literally be fixed tomorrow if we didn't have, you know, systems in place to entrench oppression.

What systems are these? Do you honestly believe we could fix every problem in a day?

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

Why don’t you if you think this is a valid argument?

I very well might run for local office in 2021

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

Looks like tu quoque. You’ve been throwing this argument since March. Running the government in the middle of a pandemic isn’t simple, but there are obviously better or simpler paths that each government could or should have taken.

[San Lumen]

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

Looks like tu quoque. You’ve been throwing this argument since March. Running the government in the middle of a pandemic isn’t simple, but there are obviously better or simpler paths that each government could or should have taken.

Yes there are. None of this was thought through at all

[Cisairse]

Everything could literally be fixed tomorrow if we didn't have, you know, systems in place to entrench oppression.

What systems are these?

The current political and economic system.

Do you honestly believe we could fix every problem in a day?

Barring the above, yes, if we drank a lot of coffee.

[San Lumen]

What systems are these?

The current political and economic system.

Do you honestly believe we could fix every problem in a day?

Barring the above, yes.

I’m sorry but that is beyond wishful thinking. We can’t change the whole economic and political system in a day

[Cisairse]

The current political and economic system.


Barring the above, yes.

I’m sorry but that is beyond wishful thinking. We can’t change the whole economic and political system in a day

Obviously. That's what the word "entrenched" means, as you read it in my previous post.

[San Lumen]

I’m sorry but that is beyond wishful thinking. We can’t change the whole economic and political system in a day

Obviously. That's what the word "entrenched" means, as you read it in my previous post.

Even if we change the system which is feasible to think we can then fix every single problem in a day is delusional thinking

[Punished UMN]

Obviously. That's what the word "entrenched" means, as you read it in my previous post.

Even if we change the system which is feasible to think we can then fix every single problem in a day is delusional thinking

"We could fix x problem tomorrow" is a figure of speech.

[Estanglia]

You really need to stop relying on this argument. Appeals to authority is a fallacy for good reason.

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

You've been told that monied interests have no desire to change a system, and your response is to tell a random person on the internet to compete with those interests.

[San Lumen]

Why don’t you run next election if you think you can do a better job and fix everything

You've been told that monied interests have no desire to change a system, and your response is to tell a random person on the internet to compete with those interests.

It could be countered if enough people wanting change ran

[Cisairse]

You've been told that monied interests have no desire to change a system, and your response is to tell a random person on the internet to compete with those interests.

It could change if enough people wanting change ran

Unlikely, actually.

[San Lumen]

It could change if enough people wanting change ran

Unlikely, actually.

What is the civil rights movement, lgbt rights movement, reconstruction? All those things happened because people voted for those who wanted change

[Estanglia]

You've been told that monied interests have no desire to change a system, and your response is to tell a random person on the internet to compete with those interests.

It could be countered if enough people wanting change ran

Extremely unlikely.

Vote splitting aside (if you have hundreds or so running for the same office on the same platform, they're gonna harm each other more they harm their opposition), if I wanted to run for office and get enough power to change the system, I'd have to (speaking from a UK perspective):
- Start a party dedicated to this change/take over an insignificant party to dedicate it to this change, since I highly doubt any preexisting significant party could be swayed to fight the people pumping them full of money.
- Get enough popular support to beat established parties, with a fraction of their resources and with all of the interests backing the established parties opposing me.
- Push through my changes.
- In extreme cases (if the preexisting systems are so opposed to change that they'll do anything to prevent it), try to do all this whilst dealing with potential invasion, assassination, or coup threats.

[Heloin]

Unlikely, actually.

What is the civil rights movement, lgbt rights movement, reconstruction? All those things happened because people voted for those who wanted change

People fought for those changes.

[San Lumen]

What is the civil rights movement, lgbt rights movement, reconstruction? All those things happened because people voted for those who wanted change

People fought for those changes.

I know and voted for people who implemented those changes

[Punished UMN]

A couple interesting predictions from the IMF.

[Heloin]

People fought for those changes.

I know and voted for people who implemented those changes

No. That’s a nice lie for people to fell better about themselves by doing the bare minimum. Every positive change is built on people who fought, suffered, and sometimes died for that change. Voting is important but if you think that’s where change comes from then your living in a fantasy.