Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Kannap]

For theatres to reopen without social distancing, people will have to die and spread the virus. How many people dying and having the virus is acceptable for these places to reopen?

They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.

See, now take that anger and instead of being angry at coronavirus or health professionals, get angry at the government and demand change.

[San Lumen]

They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.

See, now take that anger and instead of being angry at coronavirus or health professionals, get angry at the government and demand change.

Our state government could care less. Our Governor has shown no interest whatsoever in funding the arts.

[Kannap]

Believing something G&D says? That's a paddlin'

Note that is not a denial on your part, it is only a deflection.

Feel free to go back and read my response to Lumen, I'm not hiding what I meant, I explained it out in the open.

[Greed and Death]

Long term Broadway might not survive, or might survive in a greatly diminished form.

New York City will likely have to go through bankruptcy which would mean many retired city workers with reduced pensions and the like.

At this point im beginning to doubt it will and that's a massive blow to the city economy from which it would take a generation to recover

Most likely. Especially as political groups in New York will delay Bankruptcy because many of those retired workers still live in the city.

On the plus side rent is about to go down and I will be able to get a lap dance on time square again.

[San Lumen]

At this point im beginning to doubt it will and that's a massive blow to the city economy from which it would take a generation to recover

Most likely. Especially as political groups in New York will delay Bankruptcy because many of those retired workers still live in the city.

On the plus side rent is about to go down and I will be able to get a lap dance on time square again.

And the ripple effect will be so massive New York;s economy could very likely collapse and that would ripple across the nation but our Governor does;t seem to give a fig

[Andsed]

For theatres to reopen without social distancing, people will have to die and spread the virus. How many people dying and having the virus is acceptable for these places to reopen?

They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.

So what is your suggestion? If theaters cannot survive with social distancing and they certainty cannot just fully reopen, what do you want to happen? Because it honestly feels like your just complaining about how much this sucks to which I reply, welcome to the club.

[San Lumen]

They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.

So what is your suggestion? If theaters cannot survive with social distancing and they certainty cannot just fully reopen, what do you want them to do?

I guess they have to stay closed then and hope they can survive until their is a viable treatment or vaccine or the government decides to bailout the arts instead of giant corporations that don't need a cent

[Ethel mermania]

At this point im beginning to doubt it will and that's a massive blow to the city economy from which it would take a generation to recover

Most likely. Especially as political groups in New York will delay Bankruptcy because many of those retired workers still live in the city.

On the plus side rent is about to go down and I will be able to get a lap dance on time square again.

Not in these woke times.

[Greed and Death]

See, now take that anger and instead of being angry at coronavirus or health professionals, get angry at the government and demand change.

Our state government could care less. Our Governor has shown no interest whatsoever in funding the arts.

New York State has a 13 billion dollar deficit and couldn't help if they want to.

Even if we get everything back to normal the revenue lost by city and state will be extreme. Because a lot of higher income earners fled the state to summer homes and started working remotely from there back in March. They likely will claim they worked in those other lower income tax states for 3/4s the year so a large portion of New York State's and City's revenue will not be available.

[San Lumen]

Our state government could care less. Our Governor has shown no interest whatsoever in funding the arts.

New York State has a 13 billion dollar deficit and couldn't help if they want to.

Even if we get everything back to normal the revenue lost by city and state will be extreme. Because a lot of higher income earners fled the state to summer homes and started working remotely from there back in March. They likely will claim they worked in those other lower income tax states for 3/4s the year so a large portion of New York State's and City's revenue will not be available.

Yup and our leaders didn't;t think about stuff like that.

[Greed and Death]

Most likely. Especially as political groups in New York will delay Bankruptcy because many of those retired workers still live in the city.

On the plus side rent is about to go down and I will be able to get a lap dance on time square again.

Not in these woke times.

Yeah you are right rent wont go down in New York.

[Thermodolia]

Our state government could care less. Our Governor has shown no interest whatsoever in funding the arts.

New York State has a 13 billion dollar deficit and couldn't help if they want to.

Even if we get everything back to normal the revenue lost by city and state will be extreme. Because a lot of higher income earners fled the state to summer homes and started working remotely from there back in March. They likely will claim they worked in those other lower income tax states for 3/4s the year so a large portion of New York State's and City's revenue will not be available.

Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if a good portion never move back

[San Lumen]

Not in these woke times.

Yeah you are right rent wont go down in New York.

New York City is soon going to be shell of its former self if our leaders don't wake up soon

[Thermodolia]

Yeah you are right rent wont go down in New York.

New York City is soon going to be shell of its former self if our leaders don't wake up soon

And nothing of value was lost

[Greed and Death]

New York State has a 13 billion dollar deficit and couldn't help if they want to.

Even if we get everything back to normal the revenue lost by city and state will be extreme. Because a lot of higher income earners fled the state to summer homes and started working remotely from there back in March. They likely will claim they worked in those other lower income tax states for 3/4s the year so a large portion of New York State's and City's revenue will not be available.

Yup and our leaders didn't;t think about stuff like that.

Well San Lumen. We don't have a deficit in Texas, and we even have a 9.7 billion dollar rainy day fund that will likely keep the local governments funded during this crisis. So you are welcome down here just mind the mandatory gun ownership laws.

[San Lumen]

New York City is soon going to be shell of its former self if our leaders don't wake up soon

And nothing of value was lost

Pardon me? Nothing of value?

[San Lumen]

Yup and our leaders didn't;t think about stuff like that.

Well San Lumen. We don't have a deficit in Texas, and we even have a 9.7 billion dollar rainy day fund that will likely keep the local governments funded during this crisis. So you are welcome down here just mind the mandatory gun ownership laws.

Its crossed my mind on occasion.

[Post War America]

Perhaps it might be best if it were underwritten by the state or if we do away with the notion that something should only exist if it can turn a profit.

And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have

States often do fund projects for reasons other than generating revenue. Germany subsidizes filmmaking for cultural as well as monetary reasons, and the US as much as it nominally hates public spending dumps about three quarters of a trillion dollars every year into the financial black hole that is its Armed Forces.

[San Lumen]

And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have

States often do fund projects for reasons other than generating revenue. Germany subsidizes filmmaking for cultural as well as monetary reasons, and the US as much as it nominally hates public spending dumps about three quarters of a trillion dollars every year into the financial black hole that is its Armed Forces.

A theatre production or concert should therefore be unprofitable and not have the money to pay the production costs or the salaries of those involved in the show? Its as if your trying to espouse an ideology here and refuse to listen to facts and deny reality.

[Greed and Death]

Yeah you are right rent wont go down in New York.

New York City is soon going to be shell of its former self if our leaders don't wake up soon

I don't know if your leaders can do anything.

A federal bailout is needed and best case scenario that will be based off population and not need. So states like Texas and Florida who do not have a budget crisis will get more money.

[San Lumen]

New York City is soon going to be shell of its former self if our leaders don't wake up soon

I don't know if your leaders can do anything.

A federal bailout is needed and best case scenario that will be based off population and not need. So states like Texas and Florida who do not have a budget crisis will get more money.

Its doubtful the bailout happens

[Greed and Death]

And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have

States often do fund projects for reasons other than generating revenue. Germany subsidizes filmmaking for cultural as well as monetary reasons, and the US as much as it nominally hates public spending dumps about three quarters of a trillion dollars every year into the financial black hole that is its Armed Forces.

You mean the Oil Acquisition Department ? that is very profitable I assure you.

[Greed and Death]

I don't know if your leaders can do anything.

A federal bailout is needed and best case scenario that will be based off population and not need. So states like Texas and Florida who do not have a budget crisis will get more money.

Its doubtful the bailout happens

State has a 13 billion dollar deficit, City has a 9 billion dollar deficit an absolute best case scenario you get maybe 5 billion from the federal government total for both.

[San Lumen]

Its doubtful the bailout happens

State has a 13 billion dollar deficit, City has a 9 billion dollar deficit an absolute best case scenario you get maybe 5 billion from the federal government total for both.

And that barely covers the shortfall from the theatre industry going belly up which means the entire tourism industry collapses and with it the cities economy and bankruptcy still occurs

[Greed and Death]

State has a 13 billion dollar deficit, City has a 9 billion dollar deficit an absolute best case scenario you get maybe 5 billion from the federal government total for both.

And that barely covers the shortfall from the theatre industry going belly up which means the entire tourism industry collapses and with it the cities economy and bankruptcy still occurs

Well I think once this is over your best bet is to move to Texas.